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Staying On An A/C If It Is An Ongoing Flight.  
User currently offlineJoffie From Australia, joined Mar 2006, 821 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3925 times:

Something I have always thought about, and never got around to asking.

When passengers purchase a ticket from point A to point B, but goes via point C, are the passengers allowed to stay on the plane, or do they have to get off and reboard in an hour.

For example, UA fly MEL-SYD-LAX, as far as i know, due to traffic restrictions passengers are not allowed to fly domestic from MEL-SYD.

ALSO with AF SXM CDG flight, which stops over because it must refuell.

Are the passengers going from SXM to CDG allowed to stay on the A340 whilst it is refuelling, or due to safety must get off? What about their boarding passes? One or two, and seat assignments.

Also, what if the plane stops, but does not have to refuell.

Thanks

Sorry if it sounds long and confusing...

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User currently offlineSkyhigh From Australia, joined Nov 2005, 236 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3913 times:

I have been made to deboard the plane on all of my longhaul flights between Australia/New Zealand and Europe, either via Asia or the U.S. I have travelled via most of the major gateways so I assume it must be law while they are refuelling.

I have stayed on the plane on domestic flights in various countries, where the flight is making an intermediate stop but not refuelling. I guess this is at the discretion of the airline.

Hope this helps.


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8626 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3908 times:
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it depends on the country ...
Australia requires all transit pax to disembark and go through security

eg EK flight AKL-BNE-SIN-DXB pax travelling through to either SIN or DXB must disembark at BNE for security checks ( and they are required to take all their hand luggage with them )


on the other hand a few years ago I flew SIN-DXB-IST on SQ and stayed on the a/c during the transit stop in DXB



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User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3847 times:

Domestic US flights if the crew is remaining with the plane then most times you are allowed to remain on board from what I have heard and seen in the last few months. And by the "crew" I am speaking of the flight attendants.


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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3837 times:

I think if a flight enters the states and then carries on to another point in the states. passengers must disembark & go through security at the first stop.

Any time i've traveled DUB-SNN-JFK with EI, passengers are allowed to stay on the plane at SNN, even when the plane is being refueled. The doors just have to be left open while refueling.


User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3803 times:
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When SA used to fly to-and from SYD via PER, up until January 2001, "SYD passengers" had to disembark in PER and wait in the international departures area. IIRC we did not have to go through security again and we could leave our hand luggage onboard the plane.

Flying from JNB to AMS via FRA on SA, pax bound for AMS had to remain onboard.

All pax originating in CPT on international flights (e.g. SQ on some days) going via JNB, have to remain onboard as well in JNB. All SA pax travelling from JNB via SID-ATL, ACC-IAD and DKR-JFK and vice versa, also have to remain on board as well.


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User currently offlineDesertAir From Mexico, joined Jan 2006, 1481 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3788 times:

This is the practice on WN flights. I often fly one-stop to my final destination. Since their turn around time is short, continuing passengers stay on the plane while it is quickly cleaned and prepared for the next boarding.

User currently offlineVHXLR8 From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 500 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3783 times:

It has nothing to do with the refueling factor (as has been mentioned), because with most domestic flights (and many int'l) aircraft are being refuelled during the boarding process anyway.
It's more a security issue, and basically a means by which to control the movement of pax through various ports. Most ports will require pax to disembark and clear security again; meanwhile, an empty aircraft is much easier for cleaning and catering purposes.
When pax ARE reuqired to stay onboard, this is usually when ALL the pax are continuing (ie at purely technical stops) or when pax can leave, but no more join the flight (such as SIN-DRW-ADL on QF, all ADL bound pax must stay on board in DRW).
I'm guessing that apart from security/immigration reasons, the size and capability of an airport to handle lots of people would also be part of the equation.


User currently offlineNoelg From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3761 times:

Apparently SQ SIN-ZRH-MAN the connecting passengers stay onboard at ZRH, although I will be able to confirm first hand if that still happens next month!

The other half did that route a few years back and stayed onboard as well as outbound via AMS.

Cheers,
Noel


User currently offlineJoshdean From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 130 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3744 times:

I flew LHR - SIN - SYD with BA, they gave you the option of staying onboard, but the return Qantas flight made everyone de-plane at SIN. So I guess it depends on airline policy.

Personally I would suggest always getting off given the option!


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8626 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3731 times:
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Quoting Noelg (Reply 8):
Apparently SQ SIN-ZRH-MAN the connecting passengers stay onboard at ZRH, although I will be able to confirm first hand if that still happens next month!

back off to New Zealand for some job interviews ??



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User currently offlineNubes From Netherlands, joined Jun 2005, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3588 times:

At AMS holiday charters fly i.e. AYT-AMS-LEJ-AYT and it just depends on the situation. Refuelling is not at problem at AMS, because it's allowed with pax on board when specific safety measures are taken. Cleaning is a bigger problem, because cleaning the cabin is "impossible" with pax on board.

When all passengers have to disembark, the transit passenger get a special transit boarding pass, just to get them on board again without having the print another boarding pass. Those passes are not marked with your name or security number, so it's a problem when there is one passenger short and you don't know who it is..

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User currently offlineSergeant655 From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3447 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 4):
I think if a flight enters the states and then carries on to another point in the states. passengers must disembark & go through security at the first stop.

passengers will also have to clear customs at the first airport they arrive at in the USA. that mans bags have to be claimed and rchecked after customs. A good example is UA976 from MEX to DEN via LAX. Customs and Security is cleared at LAX. You have to reclear security at LAX because you had access to your checked bags while going through customs


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12340 posts, RR: 18
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3436 times:
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NZ operates CHC-WLG-AKL and VV and allow passengers to re-main on board at WLG

User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4660 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3432 times:

I flew CX from KIX-HKG with a stop in Taipei. I was the only passenger going on to HKG and they asked if I would like to stay on board or if I'd like to go into the terminal. Decided to go into the terminal to use the Internet in the lounge.


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User currently offlineKaniksu From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3378 times:

I have flown a couple times where I had a connection where the same plane was used and we were given the option of staying on or getting off. This was on Delta traveling domestic.

User currently offlineOli80 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 685 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3370 times:

I flew UIO-GYE-LIM on TACA a few years ago and we were told we were not allowed to get off the plane during the stop. They oppened the doors and told us that we HAD to undo our safety belts, but had to stay on the plane.

We were on the ground for around an hour or so. They provided refreshments and snacks during this time.

I was quite impressed to be honest. Although I think this would be a different story if the plane is full (only 50% when I flew it).


User currently offlineETFokker50 From Netherlands, joined Feb 2006, 107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3339 times:

I know that my uncle once was flying non-rev from ADD to AMS, and that flight makes a stop in Rome (don't know which airport...) When he checked in he was told he could go till Rome and then had to non-rev by some other means. Everybody told him, just stay on the plane, nobody will know or notice. Well, he got off, but I can bet $1 million that he could have stayed on, especially with flyinjg Ethiopian.

User currently offlineTGV From France, joined Dec 2004, 874 posts, RR: 20
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3332 times:

Quoting VHXLR8 (Reply 7):
When pax ARE required to stay onboard, this is usually when ALL the pax are continuing (i.e. at purely technical stops) or when pax can leave, but no more join the flight (such as SIN-DRW-ADL on QF, all ADL bound pax must stay on board in DRW).

In case of intermediate stop with an international flight, I have to say I have not a clear understanding of the rules, if any rule applies internationally.

For example I have used stopping flights in the SAME airport (BKK) during the last 20 years, and I have encountered various situations:
- Obligation to disembark AND take all your belongings with you (BR),
- Option to disembark without needing to take the belongings, but advice to take valuable with you. In that case transit passengers were given special boarding passes, and were called first to board, before the joining passengers (AF),
- Interdiction to disembark (AF also: once it was because we were late, but on other occasions we were perfectly on schedule).

What is sure is that it is not linked with the refuelling of the aircraft as they usually state if you stay on board: "Do not keep your seat belt fastened, we are refuelling the aircraft".



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User currently offlineETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3238 times:

Quoting ETFokker50 (Reply 17):
I know that my uncle once was flying non-rev from ADD to AMS, and that flight makes a stop in Rome (don't know which airport...) When he checked in he was told he could go till Rome and then had to non-rev by some other means. Everybody told him, just stay on the plane, nobody will know or notice. Well, he got off, but I can bet $1 million that he could have stayed on, especially with flyinjg Ethiopian.

If there is a need for your seat, you will be "hunted down" on the plane to be deplaned if you are non-rev. Even on Ethiopian.


User currently offlineWorldXplorer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 381 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3214 times:

I just flew from Libreville, Gabon to Casablanca via Douala. We were not allowed to get off in Douala. No refueling occurred, we only picked up additional passengers. If anyone deplaned it would have only lengthened our time in DLA, so I imagine that Royal Air Maroc may have made the choice to keep all of the pax on board. It seems to be a carrier decision.

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User currently offlineBuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2915 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3193 times:

I remember that when KL flew triangles AMS-LIS-OPO-AMS and vv, the pax could stay on - so if someone decided to stay on secretly, it probably would have worked. The crew (flight was operated by MP in a 767) even let me sit on the doorstep of the opened aft gallery door (where I had my picture taken).

The triangle still exists twice weekly in summer, now flown by HV and always in the same direction.

Triangle flights will always require a solution for this issue.



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