Skyhigh From Australia, joined Nov 2005, 236 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4454 times:
I have been made to deboard the plane on all of my longhaul flights between Australia/New Zealand and Europe, either via Asia or the U.S. I have travelled via most of the major gateways so I assume it must be law while they are refuelling.
I have stayed on the plane on domestic flights in various countries, where the flight is making an intermediate stop but not refuelling. I guess this is at the discretion of the airline.
IAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4388 times:
Domestic US flights if the crew is remaining with the plane then most times you are allowed to remain on board from what I have heard and seen in the last few months. And by the "crew" I am speaking of the flight attendants.
Any views shared are strictly my own and do not a represent those of any former employer.
SA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4344 times:
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When SA used to fly to-and from SYD via PER, up until January 2001, "SYD passengers" had to disembark in PER and wait in the international departures area. IIRC we did not have to go through security again and we could leave our hand luggage onboard the plane.
Flying from JNB to AMS via FRA on SA, pax bound for AMS had to remain onboard.
All pax originating in CPT on international flights (e.g. SQ on some days) going via JNB, have to remain onboard as well in JNB. All SA pax travelling from JNB via SID-ATL, ACC-IAD and DKR-JFK and vice versa, also have to remain on board as well.
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DesertAir From Mexico, joined Jan 2006, 1519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4329 times:
This is the practice on WN flights. I often fly one-stop to my final destination. Since their turn around time is short, continuing passengers stay on the plane while it is quickly cleaned and prepared for the next boarding.
VHXLR8 From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 500 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4324 times:
It has nothing to do with the refueling factor (as has been mentioned), because with most domestic flights (and many int'l) aircraft are being refuelled during the boarding process anyway.
It's more a security issue, and basically a means by which to control the movement of pax through various ports. Most ports will require pax to disembark and clear security again; meanwhile, an empty aircraft is much easier for cleaning and catering purposes.
When pax ARE reuqired to stay onboard, this is usually when ALL the pax are continuing (ie at purely technical stops) or when pax can leave, but no more join the flight (such as SIN-DRW-ADL on QF, all ADL bound pax must stay on board in DRW).
I'm guessing that apart from security/immigration reasons, the size and capability of an airport to handle lots of people would also be part of the equation.
Nubes From Netherlands, joined Jun 2005, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4129 times:
At AMS holiday charters fly i.e. AYT-AMS-LEJ-AYT and it just depends on the situation. Refuelling is not at problem at AMS, because it's allowed with pax on board when specific safety measures are taken. Cleaning is a bigger problem, because cleaning the cabin is "impossible" with pax on board.
When all passengers have to disembark, the transit passenger get a special transit boarding pass, just to get them on board again without having the print another boarding pass. Those passes are not marked with your name or security number, so it's a problem when there is one passenger short and you don't know who it is..
Sergeant655 From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3988 times:
Quoting EI321 (Reply 4): I think if a flight enters the states and then carries on to another point in the states. passengers must disembark & go through security at the first stop.
passengers will also have to clear customs at the first airport they arrive at in the USA. that mans bags have to be claimed and rchecked after customs. A good example is UA976 from MEX to DEN via LAX. Customs and Security is cleared at LAX. You have to reclear security at LAX because you had access to your checked bags while going through customs
ClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4810 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3973 times:
I flew CX from KIX-HKG with a stop in Taipei. I was the only passenger going on to HKG and they asked if I would like to stay on board or if I'd like to go into the terminal. Decided to go into the terminal to use the Internet in the lounge.
I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
Oli80 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 685 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 5 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3911 times:
I flew UIO-GYE-LIM on TACA a few years ago and we were told we were not allowed to get off the plane during the stop. They oppened the doors and told us that we HAD to undo our safety belts, but had to stay on the plane.
We were on the ground for around an hour or so. They provided refreshments and snacks during this time.
I was quite impressed to be honest. Although I think this would be a different story if the plane is full (only 50% when I flew it).
ETFokker50 From Netherlands, joined Feb 2006, 107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 5 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3880 times:
I know that my uncle once was flying non-rev from ADD to AMS, and that flight makes a stop in Rome (don't know which airport...) When he checked in he was told he could go till Rome and then had to non-rev by some other means. Everybody told him, just stay on the plane, nobody will know or notice. Well, he got off, but I can bet $1 million that he could have stayed on, especially with flyinjg Ethiopian.
TGV From France, joined Dec 2004, 875 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (9 years 5 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3873 times:
Quoting VHXLR8 (Reply 7): When pax ARE required to stay onboard, this is usually when ALL the pax are continuing (i.e. at purely technical stops) or when pax can leave, but no more join the flight (such as SIN-DRW-ADL on QF, all ADL bound pax must stay on board in DRW).
In case of intermediate stop with an international flight, I have to say I have not a clear understanding of the rules, if any rule applies internationally.
For example I have used stopping flights in the SAME airport (BKK) during the last 20 years, and I have encountered various situations:
- Obligation to disembark AND take all your belongings with you (BR),
- Option to disembark without needing to take the belongings, but advice to take valuable with you. In that case transit passengers were given special boarding passes, and were called first to board, before the joining passengers (AF),
- Interdiction to disembark (AF also: once it was because we were late, but on other occasions we were perfectly on schedule).
What is sure is that it is not linked with the refuelling of the aircraft as they usually state if you stay on board: "Do not keep your seat belt fastened, we are refuelling the aircraft".
Avoid 777 with 3-4-3 config in Y ! They are real sardine cans. (AF/KL for example)
ETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (9 years 5 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3779 times:
Quoting ETFokker50 (Reply 17): I know that my uncle once was flying non-rev from ADD to AMS, and that flight makes a stop in Rome (don't know which airport...) When he checked in he was told he could go till Rome and then had to non-rev by some other means. Everybody told him, just stay on the plane, nobody will know or notice. Well, he got off, but I can bet $1 million that he could have stayed on, especially with flyinjg Ethiopian.
If there is a need for your seat, you will be "hunted down" on the plane to be deplaned if you are non-rev. Even on Ethiopian.
WorldXplorer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 381 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 5 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3755 times:
I just flew from Libreville, Gabon to Casablanca via Douala. We were not allowed to get off in Douala. No refueling occurred, we only picked up additional passengers. If anyone deplaned it would have only lengthened our time in DLA, so I imagine that Royal Air Maroc may have made the choice to keep all of the pax on board. It seems to be a carrier decision.
BuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2981 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (9 years 5 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3734 times:
I remember that when KL flew triangles AMS-LIS-OPO-AMS and vv, the pax could stay on - so if someone decided to stay on secretly, it probably would have worked. The crew (flight was operated by MP in a 767) even let me sit on the doorstep of the opened aft gallery door (where I had my picture taken).
The triangle still exists twice weekly in summer, now flown by HV and always in the same direction.
Triangle flights will always require a solution for this issue.