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Which Is The Future For Iberia?  
User currently offlineDme From Portugal, joined Mar 2004, 110 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4702 times:

I sometimes think that Iberia is going to be dismantled in the future. Why I think this can happen ?.

1. The whole Iberia fleet of B-757 is operated/owned by Audeli, pilots are from Audeli and perhaps (I do not know) FA´s also from Audeli (so that Iberia does not have any B757).

1.1 It is strange, since Iberia people says that the B757 are one of the best, if not the best, planes Iberia has owned.

2. Audeli is going to operate some A340 ( I do not know how many), again I suppose that pilots and cabin crew will be from Audeli. Is Iberia thinking on leasing/selling the A340 fleet?. The whole fleet or some number of it?. Why?.

3. Air Nostrum has many planes, is thinking on buying more and bigger planes, as well as adding more routes, both within Spain and abroad.

3.1 If Iberia is thinking on Iberia, this growth should not be for Iberia instead for Air Nostrum?. Or perhaps Iberia wants to favour Air Nostrum?.

4. The high-speed train will be fully operational in ten years (Madrid-Sevilla, Madrid-Barcelona, Madrid-Valencia-Alicante) and these routes (the triangle Madrid-Barcelona-Alicante) are very profitable, with a very high occupancy. That means that Iberia will have a (very) low profit in these routes, but, as far as I know (appart from saying and saying that it will introduce an LCC), Iberia is doing nothing to be prepared for that.

4.1 Perhaps Iberia is going to centralize on long-haul routes through the Madrid hub and is going to leave the mainland routed to other companies?.

5. Iberworld will be flying some holiday routes for Iberia. Why Iberia has chosen another company to fly those routes when Iberia can do it?.

6. Many companies, Spanish and European, have chosen Spain as a battle field, so that cost-effectiveness is reduced and will be reduced much more. Can Iberia survive against Air Madrid, Spanair, Air Europa, Ryanair, Easyjet, Air Berlin, Iberworld, Portugalia, Futura, etc., etc.

I see nosense in all these things. Might be I am wrong in my appreciation. Which is your opinion?. Is it a good strategy or there exists the possibility that Iberia will be dismantled.

My regards,
Dme.

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User currently offlineCuprita From Spain, joined Aug 2005, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4702 times:

I dont understand the IB political........The Audeli opertation with the A343 is somthing increible, because IB have a lot of pilots of A320 ready to fly in the A340..............


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User currently offlineIberiaA319 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 574 posts, RR: 38
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4671 times:

Quoting Dme (Thread starter):
2. Audeli is going to operate some A340 ( I do not know how many), again I suppose that pilots and cabin crew will be from Audeli. Is Iberia thinking on leasing/selling the A340 fleet?. The whole fleet or some number of it?. Why?.

There's another thread about IB's 744 where it is said that only two A340-300 will be operated by Audeli (on the HAV and TFN route). These will fly starting on July 1st instead of IB's wet-leased 747-400. But I wouldn't be surprised to see in the future more A343 operated by Audeli. By the way, what kind of company is Audeli?

[Edited 2006-04-03 12:07:34]

User currently offlineAisak From Spain, joined Aug 2005, 762 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4613 times:

Quoting IberiaA319 (Reply 2):
By the way, what kind of company is Audeli?

Mainly private jets (out of Torrejon)... now it seems they've entered the leasing market for Iberia


User currently offlineKnightsofmalta From Malta, joined Nov 2005, 1794 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4582 times:

Please excuse my ignorance but what is Audeli?

User currently offlineDme From Portugal, joined Mar 2004, 110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4527 times:

Quote:
Quoting Knightsofmalta, "Please excuse my ignorance but what is Audeli?"



From Wikipedia, "Audeli Air is a charter airline based in Madrid, Spain. It operates corporate and charter services for Spanish companies. It is owned by Cygnus Air (99%)"

From Wikipedi, "Cygnus Air is a cargo airline based in Madrid, Spain. It is a privately owned airline operating scheduled flights to destinations in Europe. Its main base is Madrid Barajas International Airport"

My remark, I think that Cygnus Air works for Iberia Cargo.

Regards,
Dme.


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User currently offlineRAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4396 times:
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Quoting Dme (Thread starter):
1. The whole Iberia fleet of B-757 is operated/owned by Audeli, pilots are from Audeli and perhaps (I do not know) FA´s also from Audeli (so that Iberia does not have any B757).

Not all the fleet. Iberia still owns many aircrafts. Remember that Audeli and Gestair operates these aircrafts on behalf Iberia.

Quoting Dme (Thread starter):
2. Audeli is going to operate some A340 ( I do not know how many), again I suppose that pilots and cabin crew will be from Audeli. Is Iberia thinking on leasing/selling the A340 fleet?. The whole fleet or some number of it?. Why?.

Iberia plans to sell and to wet-lease a few 340's to Air Atlanta Icelandic. But only plans!!

Quoting Dme (Thread starter):
3. Air Nostrum has many planes, is thinking on buying more and bigger planes, as well as adding more routes, both within Spain and abroad.

Yes, YW are thinking to buy more aircrafts but the terms of the partnership with IB says that the franchisée airline cannot have aircrafts of more than 90 seats. CRJ900's only has 86. An alternative and an option are the DH8-400's. Remember IB is leaving many routes in Europe in hands of YW. Great mistake in my opinion!!!!!

Quoting Dme (Thread starter):
4. The high-speed train will be fully operational in ten years (Madrid-Sevilla, Madrid-Barcelona, Madrid-Valencia-Alicante) and these routes (the triangle Madrid-Barcelona-Alicante) are very profitable, with a very high occupancy. That means that Iberia will have a (very) low profit in these routes, but, as far as I know (appart from saying and saying that it will introduce an LCC), Iberia is doing nothing to be prepared for that.

Remember the great schedule of flights between MAD and SVQ before the entry of the AVE. Now only has five flights a day; in 1991 had 115 flights a day!! IB plans to put it's Puente Aereo flights cheaper than now.

Quoting Dme (Thread starter):
4.1 Perhaps Iberia is going to centralize on long-haul routes through the Madrid hub and is going to leave the mainland routed to other companies?.

Since IB finalised its BCN-JFK flights, the only city with IB long-haul flights is LPA with flights to DKR, CCS,...

Quoting Dme (Thread starter):
5. Iberworld will be flying some holiday routes for Iberia. Why Iberia has chosen another company to fly those routes when Iberia can do it?.

Iberworld only will fly in partnership with IB the CUN route. Iberworld is one of the supposed partners of the new LCC called Mediterrania.



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User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2176 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4373 times:
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Iberia sure has a big challenge ahead, as Spain is such a popular destination for LCCs, low-fare airlines, charter flights and the big carriers - giving Iberia LOADS of competition!

Perhaps IB should look for new destinations that the Spanish people will want to visit while their country is being completely invaded by North Europeans looking for sun, booze, fun, sand, sex, booze, sun, sea and booze...?  Wink



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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7569 posts, RR: 43
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4315 times:

Maybe the future of IB is being acquired by BA like KL was acquired by AF and LX was acquired by LH.


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User currently offlineIcaro From Spain, joined Nov 2004, 229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4296 times:

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 7):
Since IB finalised its BCN-JFK flights, the only city with IB long-haul flights is LPA with flights to DKR, CCS,...

CCS is only flown from MAD. DKR is no longhaul route since it is only around 2h30 min


User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2176 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4221 times:
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Quoting Icaro (Reply 9):
Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 7):
Since IB finalised its BCN-JFK flights, the only city with IB long-haul flights is LPA with flights to DKR, CCS,...

CCS is only flown from MAD. DKR is no longhaul route since it is only around 2h30 min

I never wrote that!  Smile



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User currently offlineIcaro From Spain, joined Nov 2004, 229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4181 times:

hehe, sorry, I must have done something wrong  Wink

User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2176 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4044 times:
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Didn't Iberia order a whole lot of A319-A320-A321s last year? Are they all coming soon? Some of these are to replace older models of various types, but I assume there will be net growth in fleet numbers? Are Iberia buying more planes than they really need? The Spanish sky must be getting crowded now...?

Any news on the pilot scope-clause discussions that will allow Air Nostrum to order more CRJ900s? (I know, I have asked that Q 100 times before  Smile) Are Air Nostrum satisfied with the performance of their single CRJ900 flying and hence using that as a reason why scope-clauses should be loosened?



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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3904 times:

Quoting Icaro (Reply 9):
CCS is only flown from MAD.

true but IB has a own flight number from BCN till CCS via MAD.



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User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3901 times:
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What will become of the MIA base where the 319's fly to places like San Juan and Panama?

User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3896 times:

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 14):
What will become of the MIA base where the 319's fly to places like San Juan and Panama?

this base is long gone. more than 1 year ago.



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User currently offlineJopavon From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 304 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3882 times:

Actually IB is becoming a more flexible airline. Having contracts that manage FA, Pilots and planes helps them get more or less planes when needed instead of the more complex model of getting more and more people and then having to regulate employment by firing workers and end up with a fleet parked at airports and empty seats.

If there is an economic crisis, they can finish a contract with one of the airlines that perform on behalf of IB and slim down very easily and allocate their own resources to a possible smaller operation without firing people.

The model is pretty much aimed for a crisis mitigation, mainly.



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User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3875 times:
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Quoting Avianca (Reply 15):
this base is long gone. more than 1 year ago.

Oh what happened?


User currently offlineBullpitt From Spain, joined Mar 2004, 871 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3823 times:

The MIA operations finished mainly because of the new requrements to transit through the US made things very difficult for IB's Latin American customers.

I don't agree with all the things management are doing but I do think they are trying to survive in a very difficult market. Things will clear up once some of the new commers simply fold like I'm sure Air Madrid will do. Others might become victims of the situation but in my opinion companies such as UX and JK will have more problems than IB to survive.

Who will be aroung in 10yrs time is something no one can predict.



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