DeltaGator From United States, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 19 Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 30061 times:
They just need to add water jets to make those slides more fun.
Quoting PyroGX41487 (Reply 1): It doesn't look as dangerous as the Boeing fans like to tote
I could see a few people go bouncing off of the second level slides. They should add some sort of a landing area attachment at the end of them. I would be interested to see how fast someone will come down these upper slides. I figure one of the more Physics minded members can figure out that equation for us.
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Alitalia744 From United States, joined Mar 2000, 4309 posts, RR: 48 Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 29969 times:
I still feel they should have not been able to deploy the slides before starting nor used just one side for evactuation. It should have been mixed up just like in real life.
Using one side for evacuation is rather realistic, because often fire is only on one side (engine burning). BTW this is not new for the 380 evacuation tests, it was the same for all newer other planes (777, 340 etc.).
Markhkg From United States, joined exactly 4 years ago today! , 832 posts, RR: 2 Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 29691 times:
Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 5): I still feel they should have not been able to deploy the slides before starting nor used just one side for evactuation. It should have been mixed up just like in real life.
Only the upper deck slides were pre-deployed. Furthermore, the doors upper-deck have a "hesitation" built into it to slow down its opening since the evacuation slides are mounted on the inside of the aircraft.
MarkHKG From United States, joined exactly 4 years ago today! , 832 posts, RR: 2 Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 29419 times:
Boarding of A-380 pre-evac where the rest of the doors are hidden by cardboard boxes and a black curtain.
Dw747400 From United States, joined Aug 2001, 978 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 28873 times:
Quoting BradWray (Reply 14): What would happen if the engine were still running after the crash landing?
In the extremely unlikely event that occured, I'm sure cutting the fuel flow is on the checklist before the pilots evacuate the cockpit. The main goal would be fire prevention, but it would also ensure engine shutdown.
Anyone notice the numbers on the volunteers? Some over 1,000. I'm assuming thats the result of having several hundred extras ready to go if needed (though that many extras seems a bit excessive). Either that, or did the numbering system have a significance (classification of passenger, seating area, etc.)?
ANITIX87 From Switzerland, joined Mar 2005, 2565 posts, RR: 16 Reply 21, posted (3 years 8 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 26042 times:
Impressive, to say the least.
One question, though.
Can the lower-deck overwing exit be deployed AFTER the upper deck ones? It must be able to right? Otherwise, it would seem like a pretty stupid problem, if for some reason the upper-deck FA's are quicker to react.
Also, did anyone else notice that the slides have runway markings painted on them? They are all grey with the white dotted line down the middle, and the upper deck ones have threshold lines on them. Is this for fun, or do the markings serve a purpose (I know the dotted lines are so that two people can use it at once, but is the threshhold there just for kicks? Or it is useful for telling someone where the end of the slide comes?)
Moose1226 From United States, joined Apr 2004, 250 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (3 years 8 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 25805 times:
Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 21): Also, did anyone else notice that the slides have runway markings painted on them? They are all grey with the white dotted line down the middle, and the upper deck ones have threshold lines on them.
I think they are friction pads that slow people down as they exit the slides. They apparently also cause nasty burns!
EMBQA From United States, joined Oct 2003, 8426 posts, RR: 19 Reply 24, posted (3 years 8 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 25505 times:
It's still amazing they got that many off the plane in the alotted time...
My faults with how they did it..? ( not picking on Airbus, just in general)
*Only the right hand doors were used so it made evacuation easier with everyone moving in the same direction. No confusion..there should have been some to the left, some to the right.
*Only health club-gym members were picked so you had very healthy, very active people
*By entering in the light, they already knew what doors would most likely not be used....they should have boarded thru a tunnel.. just like a jetway.
*The slides were pre-deployed, so time was saved there waiting for inflation.
Again.. I'm not pointing my finger at Airbus. This is a general statement.
[Edited 2006-04-03 21:37:09]
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SMF757 From United States, joined Jun 2005, 26 posts, RR: 0 Reply 25, posted (3 years 8 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 25259 times:
Looks like too many points of possible failure to me...
Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 21): Can the lower-deck overwing exit be deployed AFTER the upper deck ones? It must be able to right? Otherwise, it would seem like a pretty stupid problem, if for some reason the upper-deck FA's are quicker to react.
Very good question...
Gotta love that 757
26 AirbusA346: Why were they hiding the rear of the A380 and using carboard boxes. Also why are the windows taped up, as well as the cockpit windows. Tom.
28 RichardPrice: They may have brought volunteers in around that way, blocking the underside so they couldnt see which slides were deployed. So they could use the low
29 Tu204: So they could not see the predeployed slides. I heard that they deducted time for slide deployment from the evacuation. From the pic posted in one of
30 Goodmanr: Look closely. I was wondering the same thing at first but it doesn't look like that would be necessary. the overwing exit is deployed from the first
31 Moose1226: Wouldn't the 'passerngers' see what exits were open as they walked by while boarding the aircraft before the test? Was there some measure to prevent t
32 RichardPrice: None of the exits were open, iirc. The slides were predeployed but the doors were closed.
33 4xRuv: I wonder if there's also going to be a test where all the doors on one of the decks will be sealed
34 Bobster2: After the Tenerife, Canary Islands crash between Pan Am and KLM 747's, some surivivors who escaped the Pan Am plane were sucked into the still spinni
35 Manu: What a way to die. You just survived a crash of some sort and then get off the plane!!! Ouch. I can only imagine and honestly never thought of this.
36 FlyingHippo: That is how tests are supposed to be conducted. In a real life situation, one side of the aircraft may be on fire, so passengers are only allowed to
37 MarkHKG: Bobster, are you certain that's what they said on the show? I watched the program too and I don't remember them mentioning that at all. (I might have
38 MarkHKG: Only the upper-deck slides were pre-deployed. These doors have escape slides mounted inside the aircraft (rather than the door) and these doors have
39 Nubes: I cannot believe they would implement any "fun" in something (the slides) which is supposed to be life-saving in an emergency evacuation.. Or they sh
40 ZRH: Ask the FAA or the European Civil Aviation Authority. These rules are the same for all new aircrafts and not special for the A 380. Also the the 777
41 Bobster2: There are two reruns coming up this week. We'll have to check and see exactly what they said. Seconds from Disaster: Collision on the Runway 4/5 at 4
42 MarkHKG: (In the voice of Mr. Burns) Excellent... What would we do without TiVo?!
43 StealthZ: I am curious about the overwing slide, in a scenario where a plane ditched or even just run off a runway into even shallow water you are going to get
44 TEBguy: iirc, the 2 decks were tested as 2 seperate aircraft cabins. so, it is unlikey that they will be evac testing with only lower deck doors, etc...
45 DTW757: Whether or not the tests are conducted in the US or in Europe by Boeing or Airbus, to me they are irrelevant. Like it has been mentioned previously, o
46 Rdwelch: K744, great pics. I gotta say though the slides look the the interchange to The 405. Gus
47 Kaitak744: Well thanks. Just to clear some things up, I didn't take those pictures my self. They are linked off of the website of EADS (European Aeronautical De
49 Antoniemey: Use VCRs like we've been doing for a couple decades or so. That's assuming you get to evacuate from a plane that size.
50 B787: Ii have a gym membership and I'm not a very active, very fit person. Seriously, cool pics, thankyou kaitak744. I'd be very happy (even with a broken
51 MarkHKG: Stealth, they probably will follow the same procedures as a B747- they will NOT use the overwing slides. Upon a ditching, flight attendants immediate
52 777fan: Don't know about you guys, but I wouldn't be too comfortable having to slide right past a (possibly) spooling engine - note the overwing slide's proxi
53 StealthZ: It can happen, I understand this plane did not have hundreds of passengers(but it could have). Look at the deployed slides from the upper deck in the
54 CPH757: I don't agree with you. These tests may not represent a realistic scenario, but they ensure that a certain procedure can be carried of in a given amo
55 MD11Engineer: Obviously they didn't take a 90 year old granny, for whom a broken tight bone during the exercise would mean a death sentence. At the same time they
56 YYZYYT: It has been said before in the many threads on this issue before the test, and I will say it again: Air France 358, where 309 people were evacutated
57 Baguy: Lots of widebodies have been evacuated safely over the years, many of them in inclement weather!
58 DTW757: I'm not trying to say by any means that these tests are completely worthless. I'm just thinking that in the real world with real passengers an evacuat
59 Bhxforever: Why are so many people whining about this? The A380 has gone through the measures that any other civil aircraft has to go through to get certified, it
60 9VSPO: Those pics are quite scary. Looks like a disaster waiting to happen in my eyes.
61 Hagic: Out of the 850+ people that took part in the evacuation test, the '747' guy happened to be just in front of the camera. This is the funniest thing of
62 A319XFW: I wonder if the person wearing the '380' is larger than the guy wearing the '747' Does anyone have a clue what that inflatable 'stick' is for on the
63 Khobar: "Research conducted by FAA on commercial aircraft exposed to an external fuel fire indicated that the time available for passenger egress before flas
64 MarkHKG: This is commonly referred to as the "barber pole" or the ODI...the offwing/overwing deployment indicator. (It is also found on the B747 and A340-600
65 Hawker: Did anyone notice the more basic upper deck slides used in the recent Galaxy crash? There were a number of injuries bit it is not clear if any of thes
66 MarkHKG: The C-5 slides are made by Air Cruisers, a Zodiac company. The A380 slides are made, on the other hand, by Goodrich Corp. Aircraft Interior Products.
67 Aileron11: I agree the way this test was set up! but someone had to throw Airbus a bone.
68 Khobar: No one threw anyone a bone. The FAA, for one, certified the evac. test results thereby confirming the tests were in accordance with their standards.
69 MarkHKG: Well, 20 of them was the Luftansa crew, and 1 of the participants was the Flight International journalist who didn't know German...
70 MarkHKG: Bobster, After re-watching the show I can confirm that this was not mentioned on the episode. There was nothing to suggest that survivors were sucked
71 RichardPrice: It was mentioned in the UK version of one of those shows, as well as one of the Pan Am FAs being decapitated by flying debris after one of the engine
72 MarkHKG: Goodness...that is horrid! I wonder why they removed that from the US version...unless it's not Seconds from Disaster but another show like Air Emerg
73 HAWK21M: How many volunteers.Since some had Four Figure Numbers. regds MEL
74 PROSA: The choice of volunteers for the evacuation test was not particularly realistic for reasons already noted - no children, no elderly, no wheelchair occ
75 TheSonntag: True, but on the other hand no operator will use the A380 with 853 passengers anyway for some time to come. And if it is possible to evacuate the cab
76 Mich: I dont think there is a airplane model in existence that has not crashed at some point in its life. I think its safe to say with parts being made by t
77 RichardPrice: 777 hasnt had an airframe writeoff, but has one ever been evac'ed?
78 A319XFW: Would you like to elaborate on this point? You can more than likely add the E170/E190 to that, too. But those frames have no where near the hours/cyc
79 MarkHKG: Yes...actually there pictures of it in the Photo Databse. Pakistan International Airlines had a couple of their 777 brakes (due to improper maintenan
80 NA: http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...l+full+report+everyone+off+in.html The final report is out.
81 MD11Engineer: Concerning the "agility test": From the article mentioned in post #80. Jan
82 Rolfen: Why did it take them so much time to evacuate? I mean the fire crew were already deployed and handling the fire when the first slide started to deplo
83 MarkHKG: From the UK CAA Accident Report: http://www.aaib.dft.gov.uk/cms_resources/AP-BGL%201-06.pdf "The commander communicated effectively with the purser an
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