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BMI To Start London Heathrow -> Moscow  
User currently offlineConcorde001 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 1230 posts, RR: 3
Posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7580 times:

Article found on PPRUNE
Article published in: http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2006/04/03/048.html
Some quotes from the article:

Quote:
BMI, Britain's No. 3 airline, has won Russian approval to start daily flights between Moscow and London to help meet surging demand for business and holiday travel between the two countries, the Transportation Ministry said Friday.

Civil aviation authorities from the two countries reached an accord late Thursday that allows BMI to begin daily flights in the second quarter and twice-daily flights in the third, said ministry spokesman Konstantin Rubakhin. In return, Aeroflot and Transaero, as well as British Airways, can add flights between Moscow and London. "This agreement reflects parity and growing passenger traffic," Rubakhin said by telephone, declining to provide growth figures.

"We're delighted that after such a long time this has been accepted," BMI spokesman Phil Shepherd said from company headquarters in Derby, England. "BMI received a designation to fly to Russia five years ago; however, it wasn't recognized by the Russian authorities until now."


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User currently offlineMutu From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 538 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 7531 times:

WHere will they get equipment from? I assume A321 ex MAd route?

User currently offlineMainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2115 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 7341 times:

This article also suggests that licences are available for services between Moscow, Birmingham and Liverpool and London to Krasnoyarsk (no idea) and Kalinininingrad (Stalingrad as was)

Can anyone shed any light on the regulatory framework that would allow services to Manchester? Is it already in place?


User currently offlineBA380 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1466 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 7277 times:

let me guess what combination of full service/low cost long/short haul this one will be.....

an A319, kitted with longhaul seats, but no the Business seats available as such, but instead, they will give the Business passengers a second hot towel, so that's alright. Free booze, but no meal. Except on Tuesdays, when it will all be exactly the other way round.



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User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 7249 times:

On a slightly more serious note does anyone know if they will be flying to SVO or DME? If they're flying to SVO then that's a good insentive to fly BA instead for starters.....

My bet is an A330 taken off the India run and a leased L1011 used for that service instead....  Wink



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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 7238 times:

Domodedovo i think they said...

A321 perfect route i'd say.



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 7217 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 16):
Domodedovo i think they said...

Well at least that's a smart move.

Actually I think Moscow is one of Bmi's better decisions of late. They've got the right aircraft - A321 would do nicely - and its a market with some decent potential. If they can align themselves with a good domestic Russian carrier,like Sibir for example, they could get themselves some pretty decent onward feed too....



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User currently offlinePadster From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 7217 times:

Quoting Gman94 (Reply 10):
This article also suggests that licences are available for services between Moscow, Birmingham and Liverpool and London to Krasnoyarsk (no idea) and Kalinininingrad (Stalingrad as was)

Krasnoyarsk is the biggest city in western siberia , it is about 4 hrs east from Moscow .


User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 7174 times:

Quoting Cornish (Reply 17):
Well at least that's a smart move.

Actually I think Moscow is one of Bmi's better decisions of late. They've got the right aircraft - A321 would do nicely - and its a market with some decent potential. If they can align themselves with a good domestic Russian carrier,like Sibir for example, they could get themselves some pretty decent onward feed too....

Agree - right sort of route for them - decent yielding high traffic. Should do ok.

I'd still take WT+ on a nice new dusked BA 763ER though to be fair.



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 7174 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 19):
Agree - right sort of route for them - decent yielding high traffic. Should do ok.

I'd still take WT+ on a nice new dusked BA 763ER though to be fair.

Except of course that the really high yield Russians hanging out in London have their own planes....  Wink



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User currently offlineMainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2115 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 7149 times:

Quoting Cornish (Reply 17):
Actually I think Moscow is one of Bmi's better decisions of late.

According to another site, it wasn't so much of a decision, rather they found themselves with a route licence, and so decided to use it, perhaps not realising that it's not obligatory to act upon these things, in all cases.

But still, Vnukovo will be a welcome addition to BD's network. Particularly useful for ski passengers and winter sun.


User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24964 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 7125 times:

Quoting Cornish (Reply 17):
They've got the right aircraft - A321 would do nicely -

Which I believe are leaving the fleet  Wink

Quoting MainMAN (Reply 21):
According to another site, it wasn't so much of a decision, rather they found themselves with a route licence, and so decided to use it, perhaps not realising that it's not obligatory to act upon these things, in all cases.

 rotfl 



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User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 7087 times:

Vnukovo is very convenient, this is going to be a great route for O&D pax.
Between SU/UN/BA/BD with will be a good, competitive market.
-Mr. X



What now?
User currently offlineBuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2914 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 7065 times:

Quoting MainMAN (Reply 9):
Kalinininingrad (Stalingrad as was)

Oh dear.... Kaliningrad used to be called Königsberg until the end of WWII, then it was bombed to oblivion by Bomber Harris and later the Soviet Army, now it's probably the strangest oddity on the European map...

Stalingrad is now called Volgograd, and is near the border with the Ukraine.



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User currently offlineMainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2115 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 6920 times:

Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 24):
Stalingrad is now called Volgograd, and is near the border with the Ukraine.

Yes, sorry that's right. It was the capital of east Prussia, and also Polish at one time too.


User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6860 times:

Quoting MainMAN (Reply 9):
Can anyone shed any light on the regulatory framework that would allow services to Manchester? Is it already in place?

Weren't BMI one of the most vocal against CX's proposed MAN-SVO-HKG service?

Quoting Cornish (Reply 17):
Actually I think Moscow is one of Bmi's better decisions of late

Agree. Though as Gkirk says, isn;t the A321 coming out of the BMI fleet?

7L



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User currently offlineLH410 From Belgium, joined Jan 2004, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6791 times:

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 27):
Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 24):
Stalingrad is now called Volgograd, and is near the border with the Ukraine.

Yes, sorry that's right. It was the capital of east Prussia, and also Polish at one time too.

Nice to see how a BMI thread (a very interesting one by the way, since it offers a new alternative to go from BRU on another Star Alliance carrier except LH and OS) turns into a history lesson.

Just to avoid misunderstandings - Volgograd (former Stalingrad) has never been the capital of East Prussia, this was Königsberg until 1945, today Kaliningrad. Also, I wouldn't necessarily say that Volgograd is near the border with Ukraine, but distances are relative.

Königsberg has never been Polish. It was a foundation of the German Knights' Order in 1255. What actually happened during the Potsdam Conference in August 1945 was that East Prussia was divided and the western parts put under Polish administration and the eastern part (including Königsberg) was put under Soviet administration. This status quo was formally only recognised by West Germany in 1990, however the political recognition falls under the chancellorship of Willy Brandt (1969 - 1974) who made a policy of reconciliation with Poland and the then Soviet Union.

Today Kaliningrad is an exclave of Russia, and the only part of Russia having a direct border with the EU.


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4927 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6713 times:

Hopefully Moscow will be a success for bmi. I know they are focusing on high yielding routes from LHR so hopefully they can capture a large amount of business traffic.

Does anyone know if bmi plan on a partnership with a Russian airline for onward connections and to increase to number of Russians using the service?



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User currently offlineNoelG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6690 times:

Quoting LH410 (Reply 29):
Today Kaliningrad is an exclave of Russia, and the only part of Russia having a direct border with the EU.

What about those parts of Russia that have a border with Finland, Latvia and Estonia? They are all member states...

Cheers,
Noel.


User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6667 times:

Quoting LH410 (Reply 29):

Dunno why it's quoting me, cos I never said what it says I said!



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User currently offlineStarGoldLHR From Heard and McDonald Islands, joined Feb 2004, 1529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 6612 times:

Actually SVO I think is a good idea, for once a very good idea.


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User currently offlineRwylie77 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 367 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks ago) and read 6517 times:

Which alliance did Aeroflot join in the end, Star or SkyTeam?

User currently offlineLH410 From Belgium, joined Jan 2004, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6456 times:

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 19):
What about those parts of Russia that have a border with Finland, Latvia and Estonia? They are all member states...

Cheers,
Noel.

You are of course right, some more diligence would not have harmed my contribution. What I actually meant was that the Kaliningrad region is the only Russian region to be entirely surrounded by EU Member States, thus being an enclave.


User currently offlineMainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2115 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6433 times:

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 15):
Weren't BMI one of the most vocal against CX's proposed MAN-SVO-HKG service?

Apparently, yes. There's something odd going on here, with licences to operate to LPL and BHX. Someone, somewhere still wants to keep CX away from the UK market.

Quoting LH410 (Reply 22):
Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 19):
What about those parts of Russia that have a border with Finland, Latvia and Estonia? They are all member states...

Cheers,
Noel.

You are of course right, some more diligence would not have harmed my contribution. What I actually meant was that the Kaliningrad region is the only Russian region to be entirely surrounded by EU Member States, thus being an enclave.

LH410, you've quoted 7LBAC111 wrongly again. To quote a bit of text, just left-click and drag over it so it appears with a white background. Then click on 'quote selected text'.

No worries......

[Edited 2006-04-04 03:00:22]

User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6296 times:

Quoting Rwylie77 (Reply 21):
Which alliance did Aeroflot join in the end, Star or SkyTeam?

They're joining Skyteam.

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 15):
Though as Gkirk says, isn;t the A321 coming out of the BMI fleet?

Ah - so in that case i assume it'll be a 320 then ?



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25 EWS : Could this be in competition with Cathay? They start Manchester-Moscow-Hong Kong soon.. Lew
26 BestWestern : Rumours of BD taking another 763 from Holland. This may end up operating to Moscow.
27 Mhodgson : Route permission yet to be granted - bmi apparantly against approving the licence for Moscow-MAN
28 Cornish : I believe 763s are what BA operate on the route, with SU using A321s these days. Will be interesting to see if BD can fill an aircraft that large on
29 Mhodgson : They could do quite well from UA connections (unless UA offer a direct flight).
30 ManchesterMAN : This has been on-off for so many years I don't think it will ever happen. It so nearly did this spring then the plug was pulled again. Something isn'
31 Cornish : Possibly, but i expect most of that would go through FRA at present, with LH/UA.
32 7LBAC111 : I disagree. I received an email from MAN airport this morning, which hints at this service being relaunched soon. Back to topic, BMI made a mess of l
33 Cornish : Maybe that is connected to BD's LHR-Moscow service. It could be an issue that only four carriers, BA, SU, Un and now BD can operate UK-Russia schedul
34 Post contains links Airish : This article says London to Moscow in cooperation with Russian air carrier Transaero. http://money.iwon.com/jsp/nw/nwdt_rt...=20060404&alias=/alias/mo
35 Nijltje : Just use a A319 a perfect aircraft for that route if they look for the high yields...
36 7LBAC111 : " target=_blank>http://money.iwon.com/jsp/nw/nwdt_rt...cm/nw Hmm. In co-operation with Transaero? Will this be like the service to Doha in 'co-operati
37 Post contains images BDKLEZ :
38 Post contains links StarGoldLHR : http://www.moscowtimes.ru/stories/2006/04/03/048.html Moscow times suggests 2 flights a day from the 3/4 quarter this year. Maybe bmi will operate 1 a
39 MainMAN : Whether bmi will operate the permitted 2 daily services (dependant on available LHR slots too) remains to be seen. Moscow seems to me to be a good way
40 Post contains links BMIFlyer : Many of us (myself included) do bitch about BD and there strange service. However, they must be doing something right, as they have just announced an
41 Afay1 : If they are operated by Transaero, can people earn Star Alliance miles on this route? It would make the North America-Western Europe-Russia connection
42 Andaman : Latvia doesn't share a border with Finland...
43 Padster : urmmm no, they have just included how much money LH and SAS give them in there profits ( 90% LH/SAS only 10% BMI losses .... ) ... so to hide how bad
44 Afay1 : I think there is a misplaced comma. Finland, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, and Poland all border some part of Russia. Norway does as well, but is not an
45 Andaman : Oops, my mistake.
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