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Some Airlines View A350 As "Timid" Response  
User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3256 times:

"[M]ainline carriers like Air France also are scratching their heads over the Airbus approach. Two airline officials suggest the carrier views the A350 as a timid response with little market potential in head-to-head competition with the 787. Both note that only carriers embracing the Airbus cockpit cross-crew commonality, or those looking for production slots where Boeing can't offer any, will be drawn to the A350."

http://www.aviationnow.com/avnow/new...wst_story.jsp?id=news/040306p2.xml

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User currently offlineMidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3153 times:

Quoting Leelaw (Thread starter):
"[M]ainline carriers like Air France also are scratching their heads over the Airbus approach. Two airline officials suggest the carrier views the A350 as a timid response with little market potential in head-to-head competition with the 787. Both note that only carriers embracing the Airbus cockpit cross-crew commonality, or those looking for production slots where Boeing can't offer any, will be drawn to the A350."

Sheesh, this is one report of bad news after another, Airbus needs to do something, or the sales of the A350 are going to simply fade away......



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User currently offlineBoeingBus From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1596 posts, RR: 18
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3108 times:

Quoting MidnightMike (Reply 1):
Sheesh, this is one report of bad news after another, Airbus needs to do something, or the sales of the A350 are going to simply fade away......

http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1144103500.html

"Stuart said there were no plans to change the A350, which is based on the design of the older A330, but incorporates a composite wing and uses the more fuel efficient engines being developed for the 787."



Airbus or Boeing - it's all good to me!
User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2958 times:

Quoting MidnightMike (Reply 1):
Sheesh, this is one report of bad news after another, Airbus needs to do something, or the sales of the A350 are going to simply fade away......

Perhaps the A350 supporters within Airbus can persuade Mr. Al-Baker to reiterate QR's "commitment" to the A350 (firming its order would be nice as well), preferably with an accompanying statement emphasizing why QR doesn't share ILFC's concerns about the aircraft.


User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2911 times:

This article doesn't only deal with the A350 but also about the condition of the Airline Lessor Industry. The Lessors are critical of the long term investment in the A350 and U.S. Legacy Carriers.

Interesting quotes

Quote:
Udvar-Hazy said the U.S. industry "will have to demonstrate consistent profitability to regain the confidence of the investment community." For now, he is focusing on Asia and Europe. Chinese airlines, he says, are more faithful than U.S. airlines in making lease payments. ILFC has placed more than 150 aircraft in China, Hong Kong and Macao.



Quote:
"During the last five years we had a situation where the large U.S. legacy carriers were very arrogant," Udvar-Hazy said. They didn't want to pay security deposits, he noted, and conditions for the return of aircraft were minimal or non-existent. When some airlines entered Chapter 11 reorganization, they threatened lessors that they had to agree to concessions or be stuck with a lot of aircraft.



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User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 38
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2862 times:

Quoting Centrair (Reply 4):
This article doesn't only deal with the A350 but also about the condition of the Airline Lessor Industry. The Lessors are critical of the long term investment in the A350 and U.S. Legacy Carriers

What about when a US legacy carrier buys the A350?  scratchchin 



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User currently offlineBoeingguy1 From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 415 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2846 times:

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 5):
What about when a US legacy carrier buys the A350?

Well being that US only bought it because Airbus supplied them with a little bit of $$$ change... the same thing would happen if Boeing gave a bit of $$$ to another bankrupt airline.



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User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 38
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2790 times:

Quoting Boeingguy1 (Reply 6):

Well being that US only bought it because Airbus supplied them with a little bit of $$$ change... the same thing would happen if Boeing gave a bit of $$$ to another bankrupt airline.

What I was getting at was whether they would be more critical of a US legacy buying the A350. If you are critical of both individually, would the combination of the two be even worse?



ConcordeBoy is a twin supremacist!! He supports quadicide!!
User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2636 times:

Quoting Centrair (Reply 4):
This article doesn't only deal with the A350 but also about the condition of the Airline Lessor Industry. The Lessors are critical of the long term investment in the A350 and U.S. Legacy Carriers.

If Udvar-Hazy hadn't "dropped the dime" on Airbus about the prospects of the A350, the only buzz out of Orlando would've been about his comments regarding the U.S. Legacies.


User currently offlineHZ747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1678 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2587 times:
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Quoting MidnightMike (Reply 1):
Sheesh, this is one report of bad news after another, Airbus needs to do something, or the sales of the A350 are going to simply fade away......

I thought UH's comments were nowhere near as bad as they were made out to be on this forum. And I think they were on point--and I disagree with the notion that he should not have made them publicly. This is a little bit different, but the message is the same: Airbus is not offering anything new.

As for the US Airways deal, let's just say that it was an agreement of convenience. US certainly needed the funding, but lost the opportunity to realistically evaluate longhaul fleet replacements and Airbus could claim another order for the forth incarnation of the A350. Four years from now, if US is still around (and it probably will be), it is doubtful that anyone will remember how this order came about.



Keep on truckin'...
User currently offlineMah584jr From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 509 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2559 times:

Is US scheduled to be the launch customer for the A350? I remember hearing that somewhere.

I'm not one to prefer A or B. I happen to like both. In saying that, the A350 seems so similar to the A330. Perhaps AF was looking for something a bit more innovative. The 787 certainly seems more fitting of that category.
-Mah584jr


User currently offlineSONICDANCE From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2005, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2531 times:

That might be an even worse news for Airbus... From ATWOnline

http://www.atwonline.com/news/story.html?storyID=4582

Seems like Cathay is really interested in 787-9 and -10... Cathay, as an Airbus buyer in recent years, going to the Boeing's camp. I think Leahy will have a hard time sleeping... (shall we drug him up?? Just kidding!)


User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2363 times:

Quoting SONICDANCE (Reply 11):
I think Leahy will have a hard time sleeping... (shall we drug him up?? Just kidding!)

I doubt he'd be getting much sleep anyway, as some have speculated that he's leading the "palace revolt" to rethink the A350.


User currently offlineA319XFW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2282 times:

http://www.aviationnow.com/avnow/new...wst_story.jsp?id=news/040306p2.xml

Quote:
He was joined on a panel by Henry Hubschman, president of GE Commercial Aviation Services (Gecas), and Steve Hannahs, managing director of Aviation Capital Group.

Hubschman did not endorse his colleague's remarks but said they showed why he had achieved a top place in the leasing field these last three decades. Like ILFC, Gecas is a launch customer. In a later interview Hannahs said that Udvar-Hazy's assessment of the A350 was "in effect, right." Aviation Capital has not ordered the A350.

So two (ILFC, Aviation Captial) are wanting a re-design/think and one (GECAS)isn't? Or how can you interpret Hubschman not endorsing U-H?


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