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CRJ-700 In UAL Colors In A Ditch At SAT  
User currently offlineKAUSpilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1958 posts, RR: 33
Posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 14783 times:

So I was landing on runway 3 at San Antonio Int'l today and I saw a CRJ-700 in a ditch between the ramp and a paralell taxiway. The right main gear appeared to be off the pavement into the grass, and various equipment had surrounded the aircraft in an attempt to dig it out. Anyone have any details as to what carrier this might've been?

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User currently offlineMCIFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 40 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 14746 times:

It might have been Skywest or Mesa....if it's a CRJ-700. Trans Air runs ERJ-145s out of SAT, their 'hub'.

Anyone else have anymore info?


User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4105 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 14720 times:

Could have been GoJet as well...I haven't heard anything though, but they are owned by Trans States.

User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 14684 times:

Quoting MCIFlyer (Reply 1):
Trans Air

Not to nitpick, but Trans States. Trans Air is the TA in ATA.  Smile


User currently offlineKAUSpilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1958 posts, RR: 33
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 14666 times:

Probably GoJets, wouldn't suprise me given the inexperience and questionable background of their aircrews.

User currently offlineHawaiian717 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3188 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 14524 times:

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 3):
Trans Air is the TA in ATA.

Actually, TransAir is a Shorts 360 freighter operator in Hawaii.


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User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 14507 times:

Quoting Hawaiian717 (Reply 5):

Actually, TransAir is a Shorts 360 freighter operator in Hawaii.

We're both right though. Because American Trans Air was ATA's official name too, hence me saying "Trans Air is the TA in ATA". It's a push.  Smile


User currently offlineDoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3401 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 14374 times:

A little birdy said it was Skywest, sitting there courtesy of the rampers.


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 14340 times:

Quoting KAUSpilot (Reply 4):
Probably GoJets, wouldn't suprise me given the inexperience and questionable background of their aircrews.

Besides that being an uncalled for shot, it couldn't have been GoJets. They fly E145s out of their SAT focus, not CR7s. It was OO.



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User currently offlineDispatchguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1249 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 14165 times:

Quoting KAUSpilot (Reply 4):
Probably GoJets, wouldn't suprise me given the inexperience and questionable background of their aircrews.

Lets see, when I was a GJ dispatcher (left due to a commute and MS), I was trained with the first pilot class, and we had a lot of guys with heavy iron experience in that class, such as TWA B767 - yeah, he's inexperienced...

Granted, the cities that the express carriers serve change monthly with the whim of UA, but get your facts straight before you start lambasting...



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User currently offlineCO2BGR From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 558 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 14046 times:

GoJets is an alter ego carrier of TSA set up with a new certificateand a non-union pilot group, to get around Americans scope and to compromise the position of the TSA pilots. This is the same thing that happened to Mesa and the first Freedom. All of those pilots are backstabbing SCABS putting the pilot profession in the shitter.

I think KAUS did his research, Aparently you did not when you accepted a position with GoJets.



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User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 13937 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 8):
Besides that being an uncalled for shot, it couldn't have been GoJets. They fly E145s out of their SAT focus, not CR7s. It was OO.

No. Trans States itself flys the E145's on the Trans States certificate/ID(LOF)/callsign.

"GoJets" is a CR7 operator, owned by TransStates, 3-letter ID GJS, callsign "Gateway," paying homage to their St. Louis roots.

From the looks of it, all the CR7 operations at SAT are either Mesa or Skywest, I was unable to find a GJS flight there.

[Edited 2006-04-04 15:04:47]

User currently offlineMCIFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 40 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 13856 times:

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 3):
Quoting MCIFlyer (Reply 1):
Trans Air

Not to nitpick, but Trans States. Trans Air is the TA in ATA. Smile

Nitpick away...appreciated. My bad. I originally put Trans States, then for some reason didn't, and didn't catch it during the edit.

My wife flew Trans States a couple of weekends ago...was delayed for mx issues on both the outbound and return from MCI to SAT. But, it sure is nice to have a non-stop United Express coded flight to Texas from Missouri....

Although, wish it had been a TransAir Shorts 360 in Hawaii...would have been a much more interesting trip for us.... Hmmmm Hawaii vs. Texas. You choose.  Smile


User currently offlineTjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2423 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 13830 times:

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 11):
No. Trans States itself flys the E145's on the Trans States certificate/ID(LOF)/callsign.

Not to be nit- picky.....Trans States callsign is "Water Ski"



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User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 13716 times:

Quoting Tjwgrr (Reply 13):
Not to be nit- picky.....Trans States callsign is "Water Ski"

I know... I guess I worded that poorly, in saying it as if "Trans States" was the callsign. I just meant it to say that Trans States uses their own, and GoJets uses Gateway. Trans States' 3 letter ID is LOF, as well.


User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4234 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 13551 times:

Quoting CO2BGR (Reply 10):
GoJets is an alter ego carrier of TSA set up with a new certificateand a non-union pilot group

GoJet pilots are very much union pilots. They are represented by the teamsters.


User currently offlineBOS2LAF From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 374 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 13450 times:

Quoting CO2BGR (Reply 10):
All of those pilots are backstabbing SCABS putting the pilot profession in the shitter.

And this makes them inexperienced with questionable backgrounds, how?  confused 

I don't see how calling them scabs, etc. justifies or supports KAUSpilot's remark.


User currently offlineKAUSpilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1958 posts, RR: 33
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 13353 times:

Quoting BOS2LAF (Reply 16):
I don't see how calling them scabs, etc. justifies or supports KAUSpilot's remark.

Well, they're scumbags in my opinion. They subverted the seniority system at transtates and are supporting TransStates Holdings attempt to whipsaw the pilot group against itself.

TransStates and GoJets SHOULD be on one seniority list, since they have the same parent company....no different than Chautauqua, Republic, and Shuttle Americah, Delta & Song, United & Ted, etc etc.

Quote:
GoJet Airlines was formed to circumvent the collective bargaining agreement at Trans States Airlines. GoJet is presently owned by Trans States Holdings, Inc, the same company that owns Trans States Airlines. Although they have not obtained an FAA operating certificate, they have hired pilots and have contracted with United Airlines to operate under the United Express brand. This United Express flying will replace flying at Air Wisconsin, a longtime United partner with a unionized pilot group.



GoJet pilots will fly for wages far below the industry standard, without union safety provisions, for a hostile management. Pilots may be forced to work up to sixteen hours straight without a break, may be forced to fly airplanes that they don't believe are safe and may risk losing their job whenever they feel it's necessary to cancel a flight, due to safety concerns. GoJet literally takes airline safety back seventy years.



This airline is simply being used as a whipsaw to drive already depressed labor prices down in the United Express system. By making pilots compete for flying, United hopes to bring already third world wages down a notch. Even before GoJet, many United Express pilots had already qualified for food stamps.

The delusional GoJet pilot actually believes that he or she can carelessly buck the system, achieve super seniority, then move on to a "real" job. It is painfully obvious that they are in it for themselves and only themselves. These so-called professionals show nothing but a blatant disregard for their chosen profession and lack the integrity vital to the aviation industry. Their inexplicable lack of conscious demonstrates absolutely no consideration that their actions are negatively affecting thousands of pilots throughout the industry. Furthermore, it is clear that their myopic, indiscriminate decision to participate in such a dishonorable and disrespectful endeavor should be rewarded with dire, yet justifiable consequences.



These pilots may not technically be SCABS, due to Federal law limiting when pilot groups can strike, however, they are "Virtual SCABS" and deserve the same treatment that any SCAB should receive

Fact is, the pilots going to Gojets created a major setback for the career advancement of transtates pilots. Why anyone would do this unless they had some problem in their background or were to inexperienced to get a job through normal channels is mind-boggling to me.

go here to learn more: http://www.gojetpilots.com


User currently offlineAzstagecoach From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 13308 times:

I thought this thread was about a CRJ in a ditch at SAT. Can anyone actually explain how it got there, and whose plane it is. Is it definietly SkyWest? And pics anyone?

These last few responses do not appear to answer that question-- couldn't there be a separate thread on labor issues with gojets, tsa, etc?

Love to know more about that SAT plane though. Thanks, AZS


User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 13300 times:

Quoting KAUSpilot (Reply 17):
Why anyone would do this unless they had some problem in their background or were to inexperienced to get a job through normal channels is mind-boggling to me.

Just a thought, but perhaps they needed a job and saw this as a logical step to getting one quickly? Keep their hours up, get pay, and continue applying to other (larger) companies? It's not like there are going to be airlines scrambling to hire if the DL pilots (who just authorized a strike) actually leave the company...

As the Snickers commercial said, "hungry? why wait..."

F L Y 7 7 7 U A L


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 13244 times:

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 11):
No. Trans States itself flys the E145's on the Trans States certificate/ID(LOF)/callsign.

"GoJets" is a CR7 operator, owned by TransStates, 3-letter ID GJS, callsign "Gateway," paying homage to their St. Louis roots.

Thanks for pointing that out.



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User currently offlineJmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3253 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 12827 times:

Quoting Azstagecoach (Reply 18):
I thought this thread was about a CRJ in a ditch at SAT. Can anyone actually explain how it got there, and whose plane it is. Is it definietly SkyWest? And pics anyone?

These last few responses do not appear to answer that question-- couldn't there be a separate thread on labor issues with gojets, tsa, etc?

Love to know more about that SAT plane though. Thanks, AZS

Amen. That's why I began to read this stupid and useless thread in the first place.



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User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5647 posts, RR: 24
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 12623 times:

Quoting CO2BGR (Reply 10):
GoJets is an alter ego carrier of TSA set up with a new certificateand a non-union pilot group, to get around Americans scope and to compromise the position of the TSA pilots. This is the same thing that happened to Mesa and the first Freedom. All of those pilots are backstabbing SCABS putting the pilot profession in the shitter

Thank god SOMEONE is bypassing the idiot over paid ultra-violent unions. Now, can we get back to finding out more about WTF happend to the CR7?

[Edited 2006-04-04 19:39:49]


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User currently offlineOlympus69 From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 1737 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 12294 times:

Quoting Azstagecoach (Reply 18):
thought this thread was about a CRJ in a ditch at SAT. Can anyone actually explain how it got there, and whose plane it is. Is it definietly SkyWest? And pics anyone?

These last few responses do not appear to answer that question-- couldn't there be a separate thread on labor issues with gojets, tsa, etc?

Love to know more about that SAT plane though. Thanks, AZS

Me too - but this thread is a typical of A.netters reluctance to stay on the subject at hand. Not only that but A.netters, myself included, love to criticise the media for inaccurate statements. However, using this thread as an example, half the posts are by people contradicting statements in the other half.


User currently offlineKAUSpilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1958 posts, RR: 33
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 12027 times:

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 22):
Thank god SOMEONE is bypassing the idiot over paid ultra-violent unions. Now, can we get back to finding out more about WTF happend to the CR7?

Riiiight, ultra-violent. Glad you feel that way about the people responsible for getting you safely from point A to point B, by and large union members. We're all overpaid idiots eh? Feel free to drop by the cockpit and let your feelings be known on your next airline flight. Perhaps you'll find yourself left in the jetway at the "captain's discretion".

Either way, this Plane in the Ditch was probably either skywest (HAHA, non-union!) or some of GoJet's bottom feeders. Mesa isn't much better. United has some serious quality control issues when it comes to their regional affiliates.


25 N1120A : While OO is non-union, they generally treat their people and run their operation with a bunch more class than other regionals (Mesa comes to mind). N
26 An-225 : Perhaps they do, but not in DEN. People are quitting that company in massive numbers out here, because frankly, the pay is not worth the work you put
27 ChicagoFlyer : On Monday morning, Apr 3d Skywest flight #6379 SAT-SFO scheduled departure 7:24am was canceled. I was actually flying out of SAT on Monday at 6am and
28 N1120A : Of course a regional ramp is not the same thing as a mainline one, but compare OO at DEN to Mesa at PHX.
29 Post contains images An-225 : Can't compare, haven't worked Mesa in PHX, thankfully. With what my sources tell me, I doubt that Mesa is that much worse. But I do see your point. .
30 TWAL1011727 : Hmmmm.....looks to me like flt 6379 is run under United Express name. Is Skywest also a commuter partner with United as well as with Delta ?
31 Post contains links Apodino : I had a separate thread started on this issue. http://www.airliners.net/discussions...eneral_aviation/read.main/2695692/ I am not familiar with the M
32 KAUSpilot : Yep, you're right. I think they should be.
33 HZ747300 : anyone have a picture of the plane in the ditch?
34 KAUSpilot : Oh and one major difference between USAair and PSA, American and Eagle, etc.... The mainline pilot groups willingly gave up scope at those companies a
35 Apodino : The American Scope clause doesn't allow it. It says the certificates have to be separate for the 70 seat flying. You can't have pilots on two differe
36 KAUSpilot : Uhh, yes you can, need I point you to Republic Holdings. Chatauqua, Republic, and Shuttle America, 3 different certificates, one pilot list.
37 OOer : Give me a break. Its called a job, the OO operation at Denver is a bit harsh on its employees, but its only the lazy people and the whiners that dont
38 Arrow : Interesting -- 38 replies and I still don't have a clue what happened to this airplane; this despite the valiant attempts of a few posters to get it b
39 Post contains links Apodino : And Teamsters representation. The more and more research I have done into this, the more and more I have found problems at the ALPA represented Airli
40 KAUSpilot : Great, now you're pulling out the RJDC? Another group of scumbags who would have captains at the regionals flying 737's and A320's for $50,000/yr with
41 WesternA318 : So...did the plane get pulled out of the muck or what?
42 Jetfixer : That sums up about all regional airline pilots in the above quote. If you think gojet pilots are scabs, all regional airlines are scabs. You may not
43 N1120A : Um, did you read what I wrote? I favor unions, but it is stupid to say that planes don't end up in ditches when union pilots are at the helm.
44 KAUSpilot : Mr. Jetfixer, did the United pilot negotiate their scope clause or not? I can answer that for you, yes. Flying airliners with less than 70 seat is so
45 Atomother : We have to come up with a new name for these GoJet, and Gulfstream type places. Scabs isn't right, it feels good to call them that, but it is incorrec
46 WesternA318 : I'm gunna have to agree with you on that N1120A, and when is thread EVER going to get back on topic?
47 Alias1024 : Ok, how about CO and Air Mike. Two operating certificates, one seniority list, ALPA representation.
48 Flyguy595 : So If I went to Gulfstream to learn how to fly all of a sudden Im a scab becuase I chose to go there. What about everywhere else thats similiar in na
49 KAUSpilot : Well, I started the topic, it's okay with me if it goes where it's going. The average a.netter is probably clueless about GoJets, might do some good t
50 Post contains images An-225 : So I was waiting for OOer's response to my reply and here it is. Let's disect it, shall we? I promise I'll keep it cool. A bit harsh? I am sorry, when
51 Post contains links Atomother : Gulfstream Airlines: The only airline operating a Beech 1900D with 20 paying passengers Everything you ever wanted to know about PFT/PFJ programs: htt
52 Jetfixer : You regional guys are all about yourselves, The "I'll do whats best for me" mentality and if another airline is created to get around Americans scope
53 KAUSpilot : Yes, it's all about "me". You're so wrong, my friend. I don't have a personal stake in this fight, and have no association whatsoever With TransState
54 CWAFlyer : Got pulled out of the mud Monday. Ferried to TUS for major repairs yesterday afternoon. This is the third time in a week that United in SAT has damag
55 WesternA318 : Kinda sound like it, doesnt it? Hell, walk through IAH in the COEx Concourses, they have full size ads in the hallways saying management is unfair an
56 KAUSpilot : Please tell me where these signs are, I'd love to see them. Apparantly CO doesn't much want Expressjet around. They spun them off, IPO'd them, and no
57 Post contains images WesternA318 : Thanks for clearing that up, KAUSpilot. I have a photo of one, I'll get it scanned then upload it. I wasn't around when CO spun off Expressjet, what
58 KAUSpilot : Money? I think CO used Expressjet's selloff as a cash cow to make make their losses after 911 look less severe on paper. CO was the majority stock ho
59 WesternA318 : You know, I'm going to have to agree with you on this. There's A LOT of things Kellner is screwing up for us at CO. Especially with the operations gu
60 Jetfixer : That is the exact same attitude the regional pilot seems to have towards gojet. And gains, what gains, regionals start pilots out at $18,000 per year
61 KAUSpilot : So it's pointless to try and fix the problem? I really don't understand what you expect the current generation of young pilots, who are working at th
62 Jetfixer : See, you just don't get it do you. You guys will always point the finger at someone else, especially gojet. Funny you say that, cause I beleive its S
63 KAUSpilot : Yeah, that's exactly what I'm against. I would like to see a different pay scale for each type of aircraft, but common for each ALPA carrier. For ins
64 Jetfixer : Spoken like a true regional pilot. Keep it coming your doing a great job of showing how selfish you regional guys are. Never gonna hapen dude, keep t
65 Jetfixer : No, you are doing a perfectly fine job of that yourself.
66 KAUSpilot : Maybe not, but the ALPA's new Fee For Departure Task Force is exploring the logistics of implementing just such a system as we speak. It's worth a tr
67 Jetfixer : You should find it pathetic, like I said earlier a pilot should never earn less than a ramper or a flight attendant and a mechanic should never make
68 OOer : Out of 22 working days that I have been in DEN, including hot summer days and cold winter days...there was not 1 time where I didnt get at least a 45
69 WesternA318 : Amen, OOer, I think F9 is starting it's way down, hence why I jettisoned my stock and stopped flying them. I just started getting into SkyWest, altho
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