TG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 11 Posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5080 times:
For some months Air New Zealand Limited has been in consultation with unions and employees to review a proposal regarding the future of the Tasman and Pacific Island flying. These markets continue to under perform and the Company is unable to absorb these ongoing losses. As part of this, it was proposed that the Freedom Air and Air New Zealand branded services will be conducted by Freedom Air Limited.
The decision is that Air New Zealand Limited will gradually withdraw from flying a number of the Pacific Island and Tasman routes. Over that period we will be releasing our A320 aircraft.
Freedom Air Limited will begin operating a larger A320 fleet covering Freedom Air and Air New Zealand branded services, including Pacific Island and Tasman operations.
The removal of the first four A320 aircraft is timed to occur between 26 April 2006 and 8 June 2006.
There will be no compulsory cabin crew redundancies as a consequence of this decision and any lower numbers required by Air New Zealand will be achieved through attrition.
I bolded some text to clarify that AIR NZ FLIGHTS WILL CONTINUE to all destinations - but crew will be Freedom Air employees and operate both NZ and SJ "branded" flights.
Zkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4749 posts, RR: 10 Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5070 times:
Going to be some headscratching by customers with the occasional freedom a/c operating NZ or vice versa, or the inevitable stuff up over the PA "Welcome aboard this Freedoooo I mean Air New Zealand flight to..." lol
but on the whole I think it will work.
Zkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4749 posts, RR: 10 Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5047 times:
Basically what it means is that all A320 operations for NZ will be operated by Freedom Air crews but operated as NZ flights. Short Haul destinations operated by Long haul aircraft will continue to be operated by NZ long haul crews.
TG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 11 Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5002 times:
I think those of us under 40 have to say that, judging by the deterioration in conditions over the last 10 years, it's going to be virtually impossible to have a long-term career in this industry anymore. Sad, but true.
Aerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2554 posts, RR: 4 Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4988 times:
Excellent move by Air NZ. Should've been done a long time ago. Though this was inevitable with the transfer of A320s to Freedom announced last year (or was that more recently and only in reference to a few airframes?).
SJ is simply NZ's vehicle for driving down costs. Just like QF's use of JQ.
And if claims are true that SJ is profitable on the Tasman, then this should fix that little problem for Air NZ and render any merger of trans-tasman ops with QF completely redundant.
TG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 11 Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4985 times:
Not necessarily - even though the cheaper SJ crew will be operating, the NZ product will still be offered (small meal, complimentary alcohol, airpoints, jetways, a myriad of other things) - all with increased costs.
Aerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2554 posts, RR: 4 Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4973 times:
Quoting Mariner (Reply 8): Why not drive down costs within the mainline?
I'm guessing it has to do with the unions. In a sense, perhaps this is what they're doing. By presenting a viable, cheaper alternative to mainline, NZ now has the ability to simply say "well hey, you guys can take a hike becasue we've got this option over here and it's profitable". Just gives NZ management greater bargaining power I suspect.
Flyjetstar From Australia, joined Feb 2006, 939 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4919 times:
Quoting TG992 (Thread starter): The removal of the first four A320 aircraft is timed to occur between 26 April 2006 and 8 June 2006.
Does this mean NZ will have no A320's in their fleet when this exercise is finished?
They will be owned/leased by SJ?
Quoting Aerokiwi (Reply 6): And if claims are true that SJ is profitable on the Tasman, then this should fix that little problem for Air NZ and render any merger of trans-tasman ops with QF completely redundant.
Pilotdude09 From Australia, joined May 2005, 1777 posts, RR: 4 Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4901 times:
Quoting Mariner (Reply 4): But if Freedom Air is good enough to fly as Air New Zealand - what is the point of Air New Zealand?
You could say that about Qantas, It's all about costs seems Air NZ is concentrating on its profit making long haul routes. Same with QF hocking off its "lesiure destinations" to JQ and this is what NZ seems to be doing with SJ if i make sense
Quoting Antskip (Reply 10): So, if QF and NZ Tasman code-sharing also happens, QF passengers might find themselves on a Freedom flight, and NZ passengers on a JQ flight?
That would just be bloody confusing and if QF and NZ keep some of their own metal on any of the profitable routes that would be even more confusing. The hing that gets me is they all have different seats, IFE meal options etc.....
TG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 11 Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4895 times:
I really thought I'd been clear enough in the original post but obviously not.
Freedom Air will operate the A320s under their AOC, but the yellow Freedom planes will still operate SJ routes offering SJ product (ie SYD-HLZ with f&b for sale). The Air New Zealand planes will still carry the Air NZ livery, operate the Air NZ routes (ie AKL-SYD with complimentary f&b) but with crew employed by Freedom.
ZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5131 posts, RR: 11 Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4826 times:
Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 16): So will NZ still operate ther 744 AKL-BNE services and 767 Transtasman services or will this all be A320?
Read reply 3.
Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 3): Basically what it means is that all A320 operations for NZ will be operated by Freedom Air crews but operated as NZ flights. Short Haul destinations operated by Long haul aircraft will continue to be operated by NZ long haul crews.
What will the seat pitch be on the NZ A320's? Will it remain the same as current?
DJ738 From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 410 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4685 times:
Quoting 777ER (Reply 21): Would any extra services be added as a result of this change over?
No, the only changes are to the crewing arrangements onboard.
SJ have been recruiting additional cabin crew to ramp up to this for some months now, but only offering training contracts, and then subsequent temporary contracts. In case, for whatever reason, this plan fell through.
Now that the i's are dotted, and t's are crossed, I would think it likely some permanant contracts be offered to SJ cabin crew. Would I be correct in this assumption?
TG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 11 Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4667 times:
Quoting TG990 (Reply 23): Why doesn't NZ just pull it's aircraft out of most of the routes accross the tasman and shove SJ in there, like QF and JQ?
Because a large proportion of our passengers require amenities such as lounges, frequent flyer programmes, business class, inflight food and beverages. They do not wish to pay for their food or be subjected to PA games and facepainting.
Another reason is that as part of a global alliance NZ needs to offer a reasonably comprehensive network in our part of the world. SJ doesn't cut it in those conditions.
25 Kiwiflyer791: Rumour going round the place is that Air NZ will have 1800 employees in around 18 months to 2 years time. Basically becoming a virtual airline, own a
26 DJ738: This is NO "big confusing mess" - as far as the travelling public are concerned there'll be NO difference. Passengers fly PacificBlue and don't know
27 Copaair737: Is the LAX-Pacific Islands-AKL service going to be transferred to Freedom Air as well, or will it stay with the current 767? I would think the A320 wo
28 DJ738: Only EXISTING A320 services will now be crewed by Freedom Air hired staff rather than Air New Zealand hired staff. No routes will be changed. Any fli
29 NZ1: The SJ branded A320's are identical inside to the NZ ones now. They have been progressively refitted with the leather seats over the past few weeks.