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5th Freedom U.S. East Coast - Europe  
User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7587 posts, RR: 43
Posted (8 years 6 months 10 hours ago) and read 3025 times:

Hi guys. Firstly, I want to apologize because I am sure many other threads discuss how carriers from third countries fly between a U.S. city and a European city. I tried to find such threads using the search function, but I was unable to find anything.

My question is: Which carriers enjoy (and currently benefit from) fifth freedom rights between the U.S. and BRU/AMS/FRA/DUS?


Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
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User currently offlineGARUDAROD From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1517 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 9 hours ago) and read 2985 times:

Off the top of my head I can think of Air India, Kuwait, Pakistan and
Bangladesh Biman..



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20671 posts, RR: 62
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 9 hours ago) and read 2985 times:

And SQ, JFK-FRA


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User currently offlineMUCflieger From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 8 hours ago) and read 2950 times:

Does anyone know who grants those rights (especially germany). Is it the LBA ? Do get get a certificate for any of those rights ?

User currently offlineDCAYOW From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 602 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months ago) and read 2836 times:

Quoting MUCflieger (Reply 3):
Does anyone know who grants those rights (especially germany). Is it the LBA ? Do get get a certificate for any of those rights ?

These rights are articulated in the relevant bilateral agreements. Therefore, Air India's LAX-FRA rights are articulated in two bilateral agreements: the USA-India agreement and the Germany-India agreement.

Once those rights are granted by bilateral treaty, the airline probably does file with some German authority as well as the USDOT.



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User currently offlineCAL From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 499 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2788 times:

I know AeroMexico used to fly MEX-MIA-MAD and MEX-MIA-CDG(ORL also) but stoped this service once they got the 767's. From what i understand they still have the rights to do this. I know they were able to also pick up passengers in mia and transport them from there. It was very intresting to go to MAD for vacation from Miami and fly on AM....


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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7587 posts, RR: 43
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2747 times:

In addition to SQ's JFK-FRA and AI's ORD-FRA, do you know who flies with 5th freedom rights between the U.S. and BRU and AMS?


Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineWillyj From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 468 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2718 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 6):
In addition to SQ's JFK-FRA and AI's ORD-FRA, do you know who flies with 5th freedom rights between the U.S. and BRU and AMS?

SQ used to fly AMS-EWR and AMS-ORD before 9/11. The EWR flight stopped when they started the nonstop flight to SIN. Not much help, sorry!


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7587 posts, RR: 43
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2691 times:

So we have:

SQ JFK-FRA
KU JFK-LHR
AI ORD-FRA
AI LAX-FRA
AI JFK-LHR
AI EWR-CDG
BG JFK-BRU
PK ORD-MAN
PK IAH-MAN
PK JFK-MAN

Anybody flying U.S.-AMS on a fifth freedom basis?



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlinePlanemannyc From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1008 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2666 times:
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User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2926 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2635 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 8):
SQ JFK-FRA
KU JFK-LHR
AI ORD-FRA
AI LAX-FRA
AI JFK-LHR
AI EWR-CDG
BG JFK-BRU
PK ORD-MAN
PK IAH-MAN
PK JFK-MAN

Add NZ LAX-LHR and TN LAX-CDG.

Didn't RJ used to stop in AMS between the USA and Jordan?


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7587 posts, RR: 43
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2622 times:

True. I was forgetting that. So nobody is flying to AMS?

On a very related subject, what happened to Etihad's non-stop fifth-freedom YYZ-BRU flight? I believe SN was even going to codeshare on that!



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineAirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2531 times:

Don't forget NZ doing AKL-LAX-LHR

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