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US Airways Engine Fire Over Seattle!  
User currently offlineThepilot From Canada, joined Jan 2010, 5 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 9406 times:

Hey, just heard on local news that a US flight from CLT-SEA had a birdstrike over the Puget Sound and was able to land safely. No injuries. It was reported by some people on the ground, and the pilot wasn't aware immediately. Here is my source.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/265589_plane05ww.html

[Edited 2006-04-05 07:50:23]


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User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5647 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 9354 times:

At least everyone was safe and this happend at its destination, not somewhere over the midwest or on takeoff..


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User currently offlineJmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3253 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 9252 times:

What was the reg. number????


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User currently offlineVisityyj From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8787 times:

Quoting Thepilot (Thread starter):
the pilot wasn't aware immediately

Complete nonsense, typical media ****  banghead 

From www.faa.gov (emhasis mine):
Regis#: USA59 Make/Model: A319 Description: A-319
Date: 04/05/2006 Time: 0335

Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N
Damage: Unknown

LOCATION
City: SEATTLE State: WA Country: US

DESCRIPTION
U S AIRLINES, USA59, AN AIRBUS A319 ACFT, ON FINAL TO LAND, REPORTED A RIGHT ENGINE SURGE, LANDED WITHOUT INCIDENT, SEATTLE, WA


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8616 times:

Quoting Visityyj (Reply 3):
Complete nonsense, typical media ****

I agree with you. Since when did the media ever get aviation facts correctly??

I want some PICS!!! Too bad the Seattle P.I. didnt send anyone over to take some pics.



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User currently offlineUSAIRWAYS321 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1845 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8558 times:

"because he never really knew what was going on," Parker said.

Absolutely awful for a Port of Seattle spokesman to make a comment like that. Extremely unprofessional.


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9510 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8541 times:

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 1):
At least everyone was safe and this happend at its destination, not somewhere over the midwest or on takeoff..

I'd be surprised if there would be a bird strike while the plane is in cruise. There are very few birds that can fly at 30,000 ft. The air is too thin, it is too cold, and there isn't enough oxygen for most birds. It would make sense for a bird strike to happen either on takeoff or landing. Takeoff is just more likely since the engines are at high power settings and are likely to suck in a bird.

I am glad to see that everything was fine. I highly prefer it when the only aviation disaster stories are when the news agencies blow them out of proportion since that means that things are going well and that there aren't any truly bad disasters going on.



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8494 times:

Quoting USAIRWAYS321 (Reply 5):
"because he never really knew what was going on," Parker said.

IMO, I doubt Parker really said that...I bet you it was the US spokesperson who said that but the writer of the article couldnt remember the person's name.



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User currently offlineAogdesk From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 935 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8494 times:

If the Port of Seattle resembles the port authority in BUF, they're responsible for busses, trains and the airport. They should stick to commenting on busses and trains. Talk about fanning the flames that cause this industry to nose dive, why should people pay top dollar for air travel when those 'bus drivers in the sky ' don't really know whats going on anyway?

User currently offlineUSAIRWAYS321 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1845 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 8428 times:

Quoting Aogdesk (Reply 8):
If the Port of Seattle resembles the port authority in BUF, they're responsible for busses, trains and the airport. They should stick to commenting on busses and trains.

The Port of Seattle handles just what the name says. The ports -- air and sea -- nothing else.

[Edited 2006-04-06 00:48:55]

User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 8428 times:

Quoting USAIRWAYS321 (Reply 9):
The Port of Seattle handles just what the name says. The ports -- air and sea -- nothing else.

yep, I second that...



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User currently offlineL1329II From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 7941 times:

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 1):
At least everyone was safe and this happend at its destination, not somewhere over the midwest or on takeoff..

What you talking 'bout Willis? Whats wrong with the Midwest?  box 

Heaven forbid it lands at Witchita MDW, MCI or somewhere else that may be able to take care of the problem without a lot of hassle?

Just kidding bro!  wink  If I were a diverted passenger I would be the first one to start moaning and complaining. Happy to hear they made it without incident.


User currently offlineMymiles2go From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 207 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 7692 times:

Not to point out the obvious here, but what the article is saying and the FAA report do indeed match - you guys are all too stuck on the media thing.

The pilot "REPORTED A RIGHT ENGINE SURGE" per the FAA text above. It does not say "The pilot reported an engine fire", it does not say "The pilot reported hitting a bird", it does not say "The Pilot was aware the engine was on fire". It simply says the pilot "REPORTED A RIGHT ENGINE SURGE".

Meanwhile, the Port reported that the pilot didn't request an emergency landing "because he never really knew what was going on". It does not say that pilot wasn't aware that a problem was occuring. It does not say that the pilot ignored the warnings. It simply says the pilot was not aware of the full scope of the issue. It says the pilot new something was amiss but was not fully clear on the details of the situation. Which is pretty darn logical when you consider they were on final approach and it's unlikely he was about to take a stroll back to the engine for a sight seeing trip.

Firefighters were called by people on the ground - NOT by the pilot, ATC or anyone in between. Had the pilot been aware his engine was on fire it would stand to reason (in fact it's probably SOP) that he would inform ATC. Given that communication didn't appear to occur per the FAA, the port, and the PI - it stands to reason that nothing noted in the PI report is incorrect or misleading.

Learn to read all the information before making assumptions.


User currently offline22right From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 420 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6778 times:

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 1):
At least everyone was safe and this happend at its destination, not somewhere over the midwest or on takeoff..

I can understand concern over takeoff.... but what's this about the midwest? U think there are no airports in the midwest big enough to handle an A319? Not to mention the chances of a bird-strike at cruising altitude of over 30K feet are zero and zilch, and zilch just left the building.



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User currently offlineContinental From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5511 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5756 times:

Quoting 22right (Reply 13):
I can understand concern over takeoff.... but what's this about the midwest?

You misinterpreted him. He was saying that it was a fortunate coincidence that the event occurred at the destination. If the plane diverted in the midwest, the passengers would have to connect.


User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5647 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5407 times:

Quoting Continental (Reply 14):
You misinterpreted him. He was saying that it was a fortunate coincidence that the event occurred at the destination. If the plane diverted in the midwest, the passengers would have to connect

Exactly, my point! Thank you Continental! I'm not bashing the midwest in any way, but I'm glad they didn't have to stop and connect, as, some of us might have known, connecting from like, Fargo, you'd back track to MSP or MCI, or OMA, then fly on to SEA. THAT wouldve been a drag.



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User currently offlineZChannel From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5042 times:

Quoting Thepilot (Thread starter):
Hey, just heard on local news that a US flight from CLT-SEA had a birdstrike over the Puget Sound and was able to land safely. No injuries.

No injuries! What about the poor bird???



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User currently offlineOnetogo From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5042 times:

Didnt this happen to an AAL MD80 on takeoff out of SEA just a few weeks ago?

User currently offlinePtharris From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 282 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4933 times:

Quoting ZChannel (Reply 16):
No injuries! What about the poor bird???

It's not reported as an injury but an "unscheduled mid-flight consumable".  Big grin Fried bird for anyone at the gate! Might taste a bit "gamey" and a bit "fuely".  Wink



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User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5647 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4898 times:

Quoting Ptharris (Reply 18):
"unscheduled mid-flight consumable".

Isn't that ALL in-flight food?



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User currently offlinePtharris From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 282 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4840 times:

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 19):
Isn't that ALL in-flight food?

Actually, that's considered "Somewhat scheduled mid-flight recyclables". Considering most of the trash some airlines call "food". 100% guarenteed to come out... what end, we're not sure.  Big grin

However, hitting birds might be a new approach to lowering costs...  Yeah sure



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User currently offlineThepilot From Canada, joined Jan 2010, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4232 times:

Quoting ZChannel (Reply 16):
No injuries! What about the poor bird???

My sincere apologies. I love birds, and leaving them out is wrong. Thanks for keeping me straight  Smile



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User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3501 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4203 times:

Quoting Thepilot (Thread starter):
birdstrike over the Puget Sound

I didn't see this in the article, but it's worth mentioning that no flights into SEA from the east coast fly over Puget Sound on their way into the airport. The only flights that go over the sound are flights from Asia/Alaska or west coast flights when traffic is landing on 16L/R.

Besides, that bird would have to be flying pretty high over the sound if this were to happen...



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User currently offlineThepilot From Canada, joined Jan 2010, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4054 times:

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 22):
I didn't see this in the article, but it's worth mentioning that no flights into SEA from the east coast fly over Puget Sound on their way into the airport. The only flights that go over the sound are flights from Asia/Alaska or west coast flights when traffic is landing on 16L/R.

Hey guns,
I was thinking this too. On Tuesday there was a North flow, and he was on final for 34L (I think). Maybe he got in the holding pattern or went way South near McCord, and on final he was near the sound. Who knows.



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User currently offlinePtharris From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 282 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3989 times:

While I'll agree with you both to some degree, Seattle ATC will sometimes delay an aircraft out over the sound for separation reasons. Remember too, that the sound is right next to the airport. It can be easy to fly over parts of the Sound once you reach, say the PAINE VOR. I see he/she was flying the GLASR6 arrival. This approach is rather broad in the terms for traffic as it will navigate you to the start of the traffic pattern and it's "all bets off" once you get into the soup. Then again, knowing how news reports such incidents, you can fly over a local swimming pool and they'll report it as Puget Sound.


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25 Gunsontheroof : Regardless, I still have a difficult time believing that the plane would hit a bird at that high of an altitude. That's not to say that it's impossibl
26 Ikramerica : Birds fly higher than you'd imagine. There's a whole bunch of info on this on the web. Some birds have been spotted at private jet altitudes in the mi
27 Gunsontheroof : Well damn. On that note, pending the wildlife biologist's verdict, we should probably start taking bets on what kind of bird it was. My money says it
28 RoseFlyer : While they might not have been directly over the sound, some people call the whole area surrounding the water the Puget Sound Area. Planes do fly clo
29 Visityyj : All of which would be reasonable had the engine actually been on fire. A bird ingestion may cause temporary torching and ejection of burning material
30 Post contains images WesternA318 : I'll bring the cranberrry sauce and mashed 'taters! Who's down for seconds?
31 Pilotaydin : if there's anyone that didn't know what was going on, trust me, it was the bird!!
32 Post contains images Ptharris : You can count me in for the stuffing! A very true statement. The bird had had a first hand look at the issue. You know, Canadian Geese are pretty big
33 WesternA318 : LOL, you could say he had a hit/miss opinion. I think he was DEAD on...
34 Post contains images ZChannel : It was a highly motivated chicken...
35 WesternA318 : Perhaps he was suffering from depression? (No offense to anyone who suffers in reality, as I do).
36 Thepilot : Does anyone know whether that plane went back to Charlotte on the Redeye, or did it say in SEA overnight. If so, how did the passengers get to Charlot
37 Mason : How hard is it to get the routing right? If the article said it originiated in BOS, I'm sure the rest of the article is full of errors. "Puget Sound"
38 Gunsontheroof : I mentioned this, just not in as much detail. I can see planes flying the OLM5 arrival turning over the Olympia VOR from the parking lot of my apartm
39 Post contains images SonOfACaptain : Or a highly lost bird. -SOAC
40 Justplanesmart : I witnessed this while I was waiting for the bus in Des Moines Tuesday evening. As the plane was approaching from the south, I heard two loud pops (si
41 Post contains images Visityyj : Yes, engines generally don't take kindly to eating birds (if that's what happened), and a big enough bird will cause compressor stalls. Compressor st
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