Finnair MD-11 From Finland, joined Dec 1999, 158 posts, RR: 1 Posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 8902 times:
From the Finnair website:
5 Apr 2006
Finnair launches flights to Kuala Lumpur
Finnair is opening yet another destination in Asia when flights from Helsinki to Malaysian capital Kuala Lumpur begin in May 2007. The route will be operated three times a week via Bangkok.
"As a thriving business city and breathtaking leisure destination, Kuala Lumpur naturally complements our Asian strategy. Demand for Asian destinations is growing in both directions and we have excellent connections from all over Europe. It is our goal to open one to two new Asian connections each year and add frequencies to our current network," highlights Finnair SVP Commercial Division Mika Perho.
Malaysia's economy is one of the fastest growing in Southeast Asia and hundreds of European companies are already present in the country. Kuala Lumpur is the hub of local business life with its viable infrastructure, good regional flight network and motorways to different parts of the Malay Peninsula.
Sight-seeing and climate-wise, Malaysia is equivalent to neighbouring Thailand as a travel destination. Kuala Lumpur is a modern city with almost a million and a half inhabitants and offers excellent shopping opportunities both in modern shopping centres and on smaller shopping alleys and streets. The city also offers top-rate hotel accommodation.
Culinary delights meet all tastes as Malaysia offers Malay, Indian, Chinese and Western cuisine. Kuala Lumpur has a lively nightlife with numerous bars and clubs. Golfers will find beautiful courses in the city and its surroundings. Those in need of a beach holiday have a choice of tens of islands in both the Indian Ocean and South China Sea. Malaysia's idyllic inland and coastal villages and highland tea plantations offer a unique experience to those in search of local colour. The area on Borneo Island belonging to Malaysia (East Malaysia) captivates jungle adventurers.
Finnair flies to Bangkok, Guangzhou, Osaka, Singapore, Beijing, Tokyo, Shanghai and Hong Kong in Asia. Flights to Nagoya, Japan begin in June and to Delhi, India in November. Next year's flights to Kuala Lumpur are available from this May.
Carpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 3042 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8740 times:
Gees, they sure are doing a well on Asian routes. Until a few years ago, all they had were a few weeklies to BKK & NRT.
I suppose Seoul is next on the targeted cities in Asia.
To serve Taipei, they may need to set up FinnairAsia.
HB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4635 posts, RR: 70
Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8612 times:
I wonder what the implications for the rest of the Asian network are. This summer Finnair is operating a daily HEL-BKK-SIN while flights to HKG are once again operated nonstop. Next winter will see the return of HKG service via BKK, while an extra 3 BKK terminator flights will be operated.
As KUL will be added to the network, will AY continue 10 weekly frequencies to BKK into the summer season, with daily tag ons to SIN and thrice weekly KUL, or will BKK see only daily service, which would mean four weekly services BKK-SIN only? In that case, would AY add some SIN nonstop services or just reduce the SIN frequency compared to this summer?
LordHowe From Finland, joined Jan 2003, 728 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7826 times:
Quoting Finnair MD-11 (Reply 5): I think it is via BKK because it has been a crew hub for AY for a long time
BKK used to have a base (several weeks) for Finnair crew but now the Finnish crew just make a 24 hour layover there and continue next afternoon for the following leg, BKK-SIN-BKK or BKK-HKG-BKK, and again after 24 hour layover onwards back to HEL.
I suppose their contract does not allow them to fly longer than 11 hours.
Finnair MD-11 From Finland, joined Dec 1999, 158 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7109 times:
Ok, thanks! Good to know.
Quoting LordHowe (Reply 11): I suppose their contract does not allow them to fly longer than 11 hours.
Yes. Due to the aviation regulations with 2 crew the maximum flight time is 10,5 hours when signing in for your duties between 14:00-6:59 and when you sign in for your duties between 7:00-13:59 the max flight time is 11h.
Andaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6886 times:
Quoting Diesel33 (Reply 10): Someone in this forum said they were considering it...or maybe it was you...
Finnair said last year that they hope to open 1-2 new Asian destinations every year and they mentioned cities like KUL, Seoul, Saigon, Manila, plus perhaps some new Chinese city.
It seems the HEL-BKK route is getting really busy, several daily departures in near future.
I would guess Seoul will be next for AY , perhaps late 2007.
ClassicLover, I hope you won't be dissappointed.. they are among the best in Europe but their intercontinental flights are often just ok.. if you are not lucky to fly in Business, that should be good.
Andaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6513 times:
Quoting Zizou (Reply 17): With SAS presence diminishing in Asia (Singapore now gone), Finnair is taking up the slack. I think they will do well.
Generally AY's financial situation is better than SK's at the moment, so it has been able to buy lot of new planes lately (first 29 narrow body Airbuses, then Embraer 170/190s and lately wide body Airbuses) and it is also able to take some risks expanding now in Asia.
This trully is shaky business for all, I hope AY will be lucky in future too.
ClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4893 posts, RR: 21
Reply 22, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6316 times:
Quoting Andaman (Reply 13): ClassicLover, I hope you won't be dissappointed.. they are among the best in Europe but their intercontinental flights are often just ok.. if you are not lucky to fly in Business, that should be good.
I will be flying Business class... I found an extremely reasonable fare on the Finnair web site that gives me three sectors (two on the M11)... looking forward to trying their new bed seats!
They are very good in Europe, both in Business and Economy.
Quoting Andaman (Reply 20): Actually the Netherlands is three times larger nation than Finland and KL+AF is a huge company compairing to AY. So a middle-sized Finnair is taking big steps in Asia now- and big risks too.
Finnair is doing the correct thing - Asia is where the growth and money is at the moment, so if Finnair can place themselves as the premier Scandinavian / European carrier to Asia (as it looks like they are doing), they will do very well.
I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
LordHowe From Finland, joined Jan 2003, 728 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6155 times:
Quoting Sllevin (Reply 23): a press annoucement for something not starting for 13 months?
Yep! That's how they do it at Finnair. They announced their New Delhi route last November - and the route starts in November 2006. They also announced their Nagoya route last August - anf the first flight will be in June 2006.
The problem - if it is aproblem at all! - is that they do not have enough widebodies. They usually start a new route with two to three times a week, but the market demands growth and the fequency has to become four to six times a week. So the even newer openings will have to wait.
They now have seven widebodies of which only six in traffic because of the makeover in business class with lie-flat-beds. One of their MD11s at a time has been in hangar from last November. From beginning of summer they have all the seven of them in traffic plus that they purchased one of Virgins old Airbus 340-300s. With ten destinations in Asia and one in US they really have work to do with these eight aircrafts. The next new aircraft is coming in the beginning of summer 2007 when the first of three new Airbus 340-300E is arrives. This enables flights to Kuala Lumpur.
The interesting thing is if the KUL flights will become "the pair" for the SIN flights and HKG will be nonstop year around. Finnair now is flying HEL-BKK late evening flight daily with three times a week from BKK to HKG and four times a week BKK to SIN. HKG has been nonstop only in summer schedules. But HKG nonstop is growing - last summer it was three times a week, this summer it will be five.
And if HKG is becoming nonstop year around, is there a possibility that that there will be HKG to MNL or something else?
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: All this expanding rom AY is great!!! Yes they said that MNL was one of the routes planned, so probably it will be HEL-HKG-MNL, but it would be better
: Of course it would be better, but AY cannot fly nonstop because of their restrictions with their crews working hours - tops 10,5 hours! I've been wai
: Way to go AY. AY have become a really popular alternativ for Swedes, mostly from the Stockholm area, when it comes to fligths to Asia. Right now AY ha
: I think it is a healthy situation that there are SK and AY competing and keeping each other busy, good for the Nordic travellers. Like in Finland, Blu
: Given the growth in the HEL-Asia market, I think Emirates should really consider a HEL-ARN flight from Dubai to connect to the flights to Asia and bey
: Well, HEL-HKG for example is 7821 km whereas HEL-DXB-HKG would be 10466 km, so I don't think those routes would become very popular. And in addition
: That doesn't sound right. BKK-HEL is 10h25m, so even a 5 minute delay would violate the policy. Oh, and in other news, the railway workers' union jus
: You must have misread something or were dreaming. Is Tamppi out yet?
: Maybe you have missed this: Its a matter of costs! AY seems to able to handle figures and counting. Two crew is more expensive than onestop with crew
: No, I was just making fun of unions, as it seems silly that a more efficient direct flight would be prevented because it's ten minutes too long or so
: Where did you read an unidentified union would have "prevented" this in a silly way? I don't think any union has actually prevented anything in this
: I think that is a bit of a stretch for the MD-11, with a full load of cargo and pax. Even the BKK-HEL leg suffers from payload restrictions during th