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User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 15417 times:

when there's nobody at the controls?


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User currently offlineSoups From Ghana, joined Jun 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 15391 times:

Thats africa for you


Next destinations, Suarabaya, beirut, paris, Accra
User currently offlineFrancoBlanco From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 15368 times:

Ever heard of this great new invention called "autopilot"?

User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3500 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 15357 times:

The throttles definetly aren't idled, so I'd say that the crew vacated their seats to take this shot.


Next Flight: 9/17 BFI-BFI
User currently onlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21516 posts, RR: 55
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 15293 times:

Airspeed not reading zero, throttles foreward, that's definitely in flight (or in a simulator). I think I can make out 13,000 on the altimeters, too.

I sure as hell would not do that, autopilot or no autopilot.

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3096 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 15068 times:

Quoting FrancoBlanco (Reply 2):
Ever heard of this great new invention called "autopilot"?

As far as I know, autopilot or no autopilot, there has to be atleast one pilot in their seat at any time when the engines are running....


User currently offlineFrancoBlanco From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 14977 times:

Well ok, so the pilots have left their seats in order to get the photo taken. So what? They are flying somewhere in Africa, maybe they were out of their seats for only 20 seconds and were standing right behind/next to the photographer. I wouldn´t assume they were somewhere in the back of the cabin, chatting with the F/A (which would not have been there since that was a cargo flight, obviously) and the photog sneaks into the cockpit and decides "hmmm what a great opportunity, I`ll take a shot and put it on the internet".

Personally I don´t care about it. But I do care about a great and unique photo. All these "is this safe" threads only discourage photographers from taking such great pics and sharing them with others.

Just my two EuroCents.

Sebastian


User currently offlineJoness0154 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 667 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 14891 times:

Quoting FrancoBlanco (Reply 6):
Well ok, so the pilots have left their seats in order to get the photo taken. So what? They are flying somewhere in Africa, maybe they were out of their seats for only 20 seconds and were standing right behind/next to the photographer. I wouldn´t assume they were somewhere in the back of the cabin, chatting with the F/A (which would not have been there since that was a cargo flight, obviously) and the photog sneaks into the cockpit and decides "hmmm what a great opportunity, I`ll take a shot and put it on the internet".

Personally I don´t care about it. But I do care about a great and unique photo. All these "is this safe" threads only discourage photographers from taking such great pics and sharing them with others.

Just my two EuroCents.

Sebastian

The problem with africa is that there is hardly any radar coverage....and you're screwed if you have a resolution advisory come up and you're standing at the back of the cockpit....



I don't have an attitude problem. You have a perception problem
User currently offlineJoness0154 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 667 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 14833 times:

Yeah, because you know, the motto in aviation is "photo's first, safety second"

I think you have it backwards, dude.

No way in hell should safety be compromised like that for a picture that could be duplicated on the ground.



I don't have an attitude problem. You have a perception problem
User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 31
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 14807 times:

Quoting FrancoBlanco (Reply 8):

we saw what you said the first time  Wink

Quoting DLKAPA (Thread starter):

Sadly, the responses do not surprise me. This is like when I asked about the covered windows in the cockpit...



Doors open, right hand side, next stop is Springfield.
User currently offlineRolfen From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 1803 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 14674 times:

It's okay, it's a cargo flight, it's not that bad.
Some cargo flight have one pilot only (am I right?) so what happens when the pilots needs to go to the toilet?



rolf
User currently offlineFrancoBlanco From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 14606 times:

Don´t know what happened in reply #8. Sorry, my fault.

Of course, you can ask a question about what is going on this pic. But the problem is that the whole thread will soon become a flame war about what is safe and what is not and how we all know better than experienced pilots.

Let´s assume that this pic shows a "dangerous" situation. What are you gonna do next? Sue DHL for employing irresponsible pilots? Never fly DHL again (oops, that´s a cargo airline - nevermind, I won´t fly them ever again)? Sue me for not giving a da*n about safety? Rant on the internet until the photographer resigns and deletes his picture from the database?

Why can´t we all simply enjoy great pics like this and maybe praise them in the forums, why do we always have to discuss everything to death?

Sebastian


User currently offlineJorge1812 From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 3149 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 14574 times:

It's again very interesting when the 16-20 year old hobby flight simmers participate in such threads as they are real pilots with lot's of background knowledge. Nobody of us has been in the plane the time the pic was taken and can say something about the situation. Great pic by the way. And the question if has been in-flight or not has been answered already.

Georg


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 14378 times:

Quoting FrancoBlanco (Reply 6):
Personally I don´t care about it. But I do care about a great and unique photo. All these "is this safe" threads only discourage photographers from taking such great pics and sharing them with others.

I disagree.
Rules are for a purpose.Follow them.Not if its just for a Picture.A good picture can be taken in ways not compromising safety.

Quoting Rolfen (Reply 11):
It's okay, it's a cargo flight, it's not that bad.
Some cargo flight have one pilot only (am I right?) so what happens when the pilots needs to go to the toilet

Most have 2 Flying with 1-2 observers depending on the size.On single pilot aircraft.Use the Bag/Bottle.
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineIDISA From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 14277 times:

Quoting Jorge1812 (Reply 13):
Nobody of us has been in the plane the time the pic was taken and can say something about the situation.

Perfectly agree. I don't think it's a question of what is safe and what is not. If the crew decided to leave their seats for some seconds only in order to take a beautiful photo they surely knew what they were doing. Remember that any pilot (pax or cargo doesn't matter) first think about his/her own life and safety before doing anything like this.
I can imagine, but please it's only my thought, that the situation was like no traffic, a/c enstablished at cruise speed and altitude. Weather fine, no turbulence, a perfect "normal flight".

Cheers
IDISA


User currently offlineJoness0154 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 667 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 14019 times:

Quoting Jorge1812 (Reply 12):
It's again very interesting when the 16-20 year old hobby flight simmers participate in such threads as they are real pilots with lot's of background knowledge. Nobody of us has been in the plane the time the pic was taken and can say something about the situation. Great pic by the way. And the question if has been in-flight or not has been answered already.

Georg

Gimme a break man, I've been flying since I was 16, so I know what was going on.

I do see what is going on, and I can say something about the situation. It is very unsafe for the crew to do so. I know if anyone on a US carrier did this and got caught they'd probably see themselves out of a job quite quickly.



I don't have an attitude problem. You have a perception problem
User currently offlineGSOShutout55 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 13837 times:

so none of you have ever flown signle pilot night freight and had to take a shit? if not, then you need not comment on any elements of safety which may or not be present.


Right Rudder!!!!!!!!!!
User currently offlineJoness0154 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 667 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 13678 times:

Quoting GSOShutout55 (Reply 16):
so none of you have ever flown signle pilot night freight and had to take a shit? if not, then you need not comment on any elements of safety which may or not be present.

I can pretty much guarantee that on most planes flown single pilot for cargo don't have a toilet and are short range.

So you just land. You don't leave your seat....



I don't have an attitude problem. You have a perception problem
User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 13602 times:

Quoting GSOShutout55 (Reply 16):
so none of you have ever flown signle pilot night freight and had to take a shit? if not, then you need not comment on any elements of safety which may or not be present.



Quoting GSOShutout55's signature:
Dave H KGSO/W88 private pilot



Quoting GSOShutout55's Profile:
Age: 16-20

apparantly you haven't either.


User currently offlineFLY2LIM From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1184 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 13602 times:

Quoting Rolfen (Reply 10):
It's okay, it's a cargo flight, it's not that bad.
Some cargo flight have one pilot only (am I right?) so what happens when the pilots needs to go to the toilet?

This may be a very dumb question but, hey, I'm not a pilot and I don't know the answer. If a plane is so small that it only allows for one pilot, does that plane have a bathroom for that pilot to use? I'm guessing not. So, in that case, what DOES a pilot do if he/she doesn't have a toilet to use?

I think this thread has truly "gone to the toilet" by now, ha ha ha.

FLY2LIM



Faucett. La primera linea aerea del Peru.
User currently offlineLouA340 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 385 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 13520 times:

The person that took the picture could have even been one of the pilots. They probably just got up for the snapshot.


RyEng
User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4488 posts, RR: 21
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 12751 times:

Quoting FrancoBlanco (Reply 2):
Ever heard of this great new invention called "autopilot"?

Otto/George/etc. never breaks? Some wayward airplane doesn't pop up "out of nowhere" and cause an RA? The airplane doesn't suddenly run into clear air turbulence that throws any occupants not seated/belted into the ceiling?

That'd be news to me, if true. I hope that either 1) that's a sim or 2) the Chief Pilot doesn't catch wind of that.

Quoting GSOShutout55 (Reply 16):
if not, then you need not comment on any elements of safety which may or not be present.

So basically, you shouldn't comment either...true enough.



I got my head checked--by a jumbo jet
User currently offlineTrolle From Denmark, joined May 2005, 8 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 12702 times:

Ever heard of a simulator?

User currently offlineGSOShutout55 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 11797 times:

Quoting Joness0154 (Reply 17):
I can pretty much guarantee that on most planes flown single pilot for cargo don't have a toilet and are short range.

So you just land. You don't leave your seat....

wrong.
wrong again.

I've been with friends who have left the cockpit to go take a crap, even yes, as dissgusting as it is, seen pics of it. you nerds really need to get out more and realise that just because something is a rule, doesn't mean it is followed all the time, or even half of the time.



Right Rudder!!!!!!!!!!
User currently offlineGSOShutout55 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 11797 times:

Quoting FLY2LIM (Reply 19):
This may be a very dumb question but, hey, I'm not a pilot and I don't know the answer. If a plane is so small that it only allows for one pilot, does that plane have a bathroom for that pilot to use? I'm guessing not. So, in that case, what DOES a pilot do if he/she doesn't have a toilet to use?

I think this thread has truly "gone to the toilet" by now, ha ha ha.

FLY2LIM

chart cases, flight bags, gatorade bottles...



Right Rudder!!!!!!!!!!
25 Jalto27R : I'm not a common poster around here, but if they're all "nerds" why did you pay nearly $30 to make fun of them? Glad you like looking at pictures of
26 Post contains links Kovi17 : it doesnt look as if its a simulator because when you click the registration it brings up an actual plan right here -------> http://www.airliners.net
27 Post contains images Rolfen : If I'm not mistaken, I remember reading about dc-3 cargo planes to alaska being flown by single pilots. Not exactly a small plane . I had assumed the
28 BAtriple7 : I've heard of pilots leaving their seats to go to the toilet. But only with a copilot in his/her own seat at the same time. Who cares if it's a cargo
29 Aerlingusa330 : I just noticed this....look at how the captain's Attitude Indicator has the terrain as green, and the F/O's Attitude Indicator has the terrain as brow
30 Post contains images Aileron11 : If it is 13,000 should the pilots be busy preparing to land? Or maybe they are busy doing something else
31 JBirdAV8r : Those displays are Cathode Ray Tube type (CRT) type. Often times when a picture is taken of one you'll get some weird results, similar to taking a pi
32 Remcor : Ever hear of the crash of Aeroflot flight 593 (A310-300) in 1994? The pilots "broke the rules" by letting one's 15 year old kid in the seat. Something
33 Joness0154 : I don't believe you at all. Most single engine freight runs are done in light twins or singles like caravans, and there's no way they'd put a toilet
34 ZOTAN : Right... Id love to share a cockpit with you one day. NOT! Guys like you are the ones that become statistics. These rules are here for a reason and a
35 Greasespot : Please tell me a single pilot freighter that has a toilet. GS
36 United737522 : I am shocked by the stupidity in this forum. I mean, I knew we had a lot of stupid members, but this takes the cake. All it would take is one uncomman
37 JBirdAV8r : You know, ZOTAN and Greasespot, it's not worth it. GSOShutout is just trying to show off...granted, he is being unsuccessful, but that's what he's tr
38 Joffie : Why dont you ask the author/photographer? ....filler...
39 United737522 : Ask him what? All the info is below the photo.
40 HAWK21M : Was thinking of the same.Could it be optional display. regds MEL
41 Post contains images Pawsleykat : Yes. And the gear's up too! I watched that Air Crash Investigation on telly. Damn, that was freaky / scary!! JG
42 Post contains images ZakHH : Sorry, but that is no argument. The DHL 757 that crashed into the Bashkirian TU-154 over Germany in 2002 was also a cargo flight. As was the 747 that
43 Trolle : How about a maintenance check, on jacks, pitot-static test and an engine run-up...in a dark hanger. Hey, it is Africa after all.
44 Joffie : Not for all. Ask why there is no pilot as this photo has caused a big shitstorm...
45 Jorge1812 : Judging from his other pics he seems to be a pilot or a common passenger on one of these cargo ATR's. And both crashed even with 2/3 pilots at the co
46 GSOShutout55 : that was my point.
47 Post contains images Bond007 : What a load of drivel! There are rules for a reason. The best pilots and those that are still alive, follow ALL the rules - those that don't often ki
48 Post contains images VEEREF : Isn't it the general belief of most on this board that we pilots don't do anything but push buttons anyway? So what's the big deal then if they are ou
49 YYZYYT : How about: "No way in hell should safety be compromised like that for a picture ...." PS - do I (a non-pilot) see that the throttles set differently?
50 Post contains images JBirdAV8r : Fact: The ATR-42/72 are two-pilot airplanes. There IS NO EXCUSE for two pilots to be out of their seats at the same time...ESPECIALLY not to take a p
51 Gr8Circle : Even if it's in (or over) Africa, isn't that a DHL plane?? Wouldn't the pilots be European or if they are locals, wouldn't they be subject to DHL pro
52 Pgv : Radar and comm in Africa sucks. Only a complete idiot would leave their seat. Only 2 idiots would leave both seats at once. Yeah...I spent 3 years doi
53 Jorge1812 : And I never said I have such deep knowledge and never stated like I have it as many others do here. And, I know it sounds childish, but I know people
54 JBirdAV8r : Not sure what you're trying to say, but buddy, my flight experience does not come from Flight Simulator. I'll say it AGAIN! There is NO EXCUSE for BO
55 HAWK21M : I Agree.Although the Pic looks great. Even though its a Freighter.It was a wrong choice.Even if it was for a few seconds. regds MEL
56 JBirdAV8r : Very true. Pics have been accepted here wth knees/legs in one seat...no big deal. Oh, and I gave a possible explanation of your question about the at
57 SLCPilot : With respect to the rules/safety debate, here's the way I see it. You can be well within the letter of the law, and still do very stupid (i.e. dangero
58 HAWK21M : Could be true.Couldn't find similiar Cockpit pics though.Could it be the Display was wearing off. regds MEL
59 Bond007 : ...and this relates to this photo how??? You think this is VERY safe but technically illegal?? I don't quite get your point, but everytime I fly I ma
60 Post contains links SLCPilot : Jimbo, Do you do a weight and balance check when you're going out to do touch and goes? Do you call the FSS for every local flight? Do you check all N
61 Bond007 : I have printed W&B for full fuel, half tanks, 1-4 pax in my flight bag...so yes. 99% of the time it's one of those combinations. Every flight I check
62 SLCPilot : Jimbo, I think we're on the same side here. I never said (or implied) that the photo was safe, or legal. In fact, if you look at my quote from my fir
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