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QF Interested In The 787-10 And 787 Progress  
User currently offlineBoeingBus From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1596 posts, RR: 18
Posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5072 times:

QANTAS has asked for a briefing on the latest 300-seat version of the Boeing 787 "Dreamliner", the 787-10 that Boeing claims will be 10 per cent more efficient than European rival Airbus's A350.


http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...ory/0,20867,18734235-23349,00.html

Interesting stuff on the 787 progress:

Mr Bair said engine testing by Rolls-Royce and General Electric had gone well and both manufacturers had managed to get thrust beyond 80,000lb, well above the 75,000lb rating.

"Both engine test programs are off to a great start," he said.

'We've been very, very pleased with the smoothness of the engine development programs and unlike a lot of airplane development programs I've been associated with, this is one where engines are not on our watch list."

The manufacturer was also making "phenomenal progress" in the biggest structural test program in the history of the Boeing company.

The program was aimed at ensuring the plane's composite structure was designed efficiently and met customer expectations and high safety requirements.

The airline was developing a test program for the wing and had now built nine full-size fuselage barrels.

Mr Bair said the effects of the program were global, with more than 135 sites involved in 787 work.

"We think at this time the 787 is the largest industrialisation program in the entire world,' he said.

"More than 3 million square feet of factory is being built, primarily by our structural partners but also by some of our systems partners and some of the engine manufacturers."


Airbus or Boeing - it's all good to me!
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User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4160 posts, RR: 36
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5061 times:

blablabla... usual PR and nothing new


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User currently offlineZoom1018 From Vietnam, joined May 2005, 230 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5022 times:

Quoting Flying-Tiger (Reply 1):
blablabla... usual PR and nothing new

"QANTAS has asked for a briefing on the latest 300-seat version of the Boeing 787 "Dreamliner", the 787-10 that Boeing claims will be 10 per cent more efficient than European rival Airbus's A350."

This is new.


User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6483 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4999 times:

Quoting Flying-Tiger (Reply 1):
blablabla... usual PR and nothing new

In your rush to dismiss this post, you failed to note two important points.

Quoting BoeingBus (Thread starter):
QANTAS has asked for a briefing on the latest 300-seat version of the Boeing 787 "Dreamliner", the 787-10 that Boeing claims will be 10 per cent more efficient than European rival Airbus's A350.

This confirms what we had suspected but not known for certain—that QF was looking at the 787-10.

Quoting BoeingBus (Thread starter):
Mr Bair said engine testing by Rolls-Royce and General Electric had gone well and both manufacturers had managed to get thrust beyond 80,000lb, well above the 75,000lb rating.

This is an important point, as it gives us new information. Before this, members of this forum had assumed that only R-R had their engine option in the necessary power range to support the dash 10.



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User currently offlineJonathan-l From France, joined Mar 2002, 502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4952 times:

Quoting N328KF (Reply 3):
This confirms what we had suspected but not known for certain—that QF was looking at the 787-10.

Alot of airlines constantly evaluate aircraft from Airbus, Boeing and other manufacturers. It is hardly a surprise that airlines take a peak at what is out there.

Alot of threads give importance to an airline saying it is evaluating such an aircraft or that so-and-so manufacturer is giving a presentation to airline X. Really, it's not news until the airline says "we will be giving our decision next month."

A well known freight carrier even asked for info on a Concorde freighter way back in the time.


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4935 times:

Quoting N328KF (Reply 3):
Before this, members of this forum had assumed that only R-R had their engine option in the necessary power range to support the dash 10.

No, GE announcement had also been posted. GE got to 80K on the 2nd day of testing, IIRC.


User currently offlineStudentFlyer From Australia, joined Sep 2004, 688 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4912 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 5):
GE got to 80K on the 2nd day of testing, IIRC

Yep, that's confirmed - Flight International 28 March - 3 April.

Quote:
"General Electric's GEnx reached 80,500lb thrust (360kN) on 21 March, two days after its first run at the company's Peebles test site in Ohio..."


[Edited 2006-04-06 17:51:42]

User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2815 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4859 times:

If the engines are there, does this mean the 787-10 is officially on offer?

User currently offlineTrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4702 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4812 times:
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Quoting Glom (Reply 7):
If the engines are there, does this mean the 787-10 is officially on offer?

are they really there?
GEnx Demonstrates 358 Kn/80500 Lbs Of T/O Thrust (by A342 Mar 21 2006 in Tech Ops)
it seems you need to be able to run them up to 7% more thrust than you actually need during testing , so you would need to run theses engines close to 86K+to get 80K thrust, the 80K they are getting is the 7% above the 75K needed for the A359/787-9


User currently onlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4731 times:

Quoting BoeingBus (Thread starter):
The airline was developing a test program for the wing and had now built nine full-size fuselage barrels.

wow! looks like they are ready for the other parts, avionics, etc to come in now...obviously, this goes to show they got a handle of building the composite barrel properly (which is probably ready for flight testing)!

Quoting BoeingBus (Thread starter):
"We think at this time the 787 is the largest industrialisation program in the entire world,' he said.

damn..one wouldn't think so....... (just like one would't think that the Sears Tower was, and still might be the largest consumer of electricity in all of Chicago)

Quoting BoeingBus (Thread starter):
The manufacturer was also making "phenomenal progress" in the biggest structural test program in the history of the Boeing company.

the are betting the farm on this plane and to hear its doing "phenomenal" gives one more confidence in the claims Boeing is making....

I see the 787 as a revolutionary plane.....certainly the most in decades!!

Quoting Flying-Tiger (Reply 1):
blablabla... usual PR and nothing new

maybe you just don't want to deal with the truth? you tell me.... Smile



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