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Question About EZE Services By American Carriers  
User currently offlineThaiboynMexico From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2867 times:

Hi,

I've noticed that all American carriers, namely, American, Delta, Continental, and United, arrive at EZE early morning. But they stay for the whole day before departing back to the U.S. at night. What's the rationale behind this? The answer can't be "domestic connections" because most transatlantic flights arrive back in the U.S. late afternoon/evening and one still has plenty of time to make an onward connection.

The distance and market here in Argentina are comparable to those of Europe. So how come they sit around in EZE for more than 12 hours before going back home? Don't they loose a lot of money? And doesn't that require more aircrafts as well?  confused 

ThaiboynMexico (now in Argentina)

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User currently offlineKL662 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2846 times:

Though distances may be close to those of routes to Europe, time zone changes aren't. The market pretty much dictates red-eyes in both directions. I think AA might have a few daytime flights out of MIA, but they're likely only possible because of the sheer number of flights and market share AA's got going back and forth.

Having flown to GRU and EZE before, I will say that the nighttime flights are quite convenient. One Lunestra, and it's like time travel...  Smile I've also flown through PTY on CM to EZE, which is a daytime flight. Though it is pretty cool to see the Amazon, rain forest, etc., you do lose an entire day.


User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4968 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2810 times:

Quoting KL662 (Reply 1):
I've also flown through PTY on CM to EZE, which is a daytime flight. Though it is pretty cool to see the Amazon, rain forest, etc., you do lose an entire day

Agree 100%. I flew MIA-PTY-EZE a couple of times and you do have the "lost day" feeling. And the red eye is perfect for non stop flights. All US carriers flights leave EZE between 9pm and 11pm, perfect time to have dinner and sleep your way until landing.

regards  Smile



Carp aunque ganes o pierdas ...
User currently offlineRafabozzolla From Brazil, joined Apr 2000, 1239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2810 times:

If the planes were sent back to the US right after turnaround flights would arrive in the US well into the evening, thus making it unpractical for onward connection.

On top of that, because both Brazil and Argentina are only one to two hours ahead of eastern US, pax would loose an entire day flying. The only day time flights I am aware of are one each from JJ an AA out of GRU into MIA and VV.


User currently onlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2951 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2723 times:

The rationale for this seemingly ineffeicent use of aircraft between the USA and EZE is the same as GRU and GIG: red-eyes are what the higher-yielding passengers want. It makes the airline more money by dedicating 2 aircraft to each US-EZE route, operating red-eye flights in each direction and having the aircraft sit at EZE all day.

An evening departure and early a.m. arrival from/to MIA or ATL allows the airline almost an entire day to connect with domestic passengers.

Incidentially AA's MIA-EZE has been reported to be their most profitable flight in their entire system (attributed to the high yields and cargo).


User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2692 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2717 times:

Can the airlines at least do maintenance or something while the aircraft are sitting there all day? I know that CO does this with their 764 fleet in HNL because they arrive in the early afternoon and then don't depart until the late evening - they even built a hangar there specifically for this reason.

User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2706 times:

and while I'm not being culturally insenstive, Latins prefer to stay up late than get up early.

And while the airplanes are less efficiently used than European routes, historically deep S. American flights were much higher yielding than flights to Europe. Now with so much more competition, the revenue premium is not quite as great but US carriers can either use the time when the plane arrives in the US early in the a.m. for maintenance or for domestic flying; it is not usually as economically viable flying a widebody int'l configured airplane in domestic markets where fares are usually quite low and where the economics of using a plane of that size and configuration on the domestic system lean toward a pretty dense configuration.


User currently offlineChicagoFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 274 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2696 times:

Note that United's plane going IAD-EZE does not sit around but hops on to MVD and back before returning to IAD. Can't imagine there are huge profits there, but on the marginal basis (compared to the aircraft sitting around at EZE) this must make sense.

Looks like the ORD-EZE has a shorter sit-around time and so cannot be utilized thusly and is now canceled presumably until Christmas... I assume the yields/loads/cargo were not that great on the route, plus of course ORD is not the best place for onward connections to the rest of US from deep Latin.


User currently offlineMGASJO From Nicaragua, joined Feb 2005, 466 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2635 times:

Quoting Cory6188 (Reply 5):
Can the airlines at least do maintenance or something while the aircraft are sitting there all day?

AA does EZE-MVD-EZE during the day. I think UA used to do it as well



C208B
User currently offlineLima From Argentina, joined May 1999, 1122 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2577 times:

American Airlines had a daylight flight EZE-MIA back in the 1990's but this was only for a period. Probably not a success.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33272 posts, RR: 71
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2537 times:

Quoting KL662 (Reply 1):
Though distances may be close to those of routes to Europe, time zone changes aren't. The market pretty much dictates red-eyes in both directions. I think AA might have a few daytime flights out of MIA, but they're likely only possible because of the sheer number of flights and market share AA's got going back and forth.

AA and JJ do indeed operate MIA-GRU daylights, while Varig does as well when they have the aircraft (with their precarious financial situation, they currently don't) - it is very inconsistent.

Quoting ChicagoFlyer (Reply 7):
Note that United's plane going IAD-EZE does not sit around but hops on to MVD and back before returning to IAD. Can't imagine there are huge profits there, but on the marginal basis (compared to the aircraft sitting around at EZE) this must make sense.

It actually is quite profitable to tag on to Montevideo. Excellent yields.

Quoting MGASJO (Reply 8):
AA does EZE-MVD-EZE during the day. I think UA used to do it as well

AA does this only 4x a week during the winter, when MIA-MVD operates non-stop on other days.



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