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User currently offlineAjiggity3 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 10021 times:

The Atlanta Journal today states that the earliest a strike could begin is April 18. This is the first I have heard this so I apologize if it is already posted.

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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 9922 times:

One day before Easter Sunday! Talk about timing.


You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineJaws707 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 708 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 9909 times:

I am scheduled to fly on Delta Connection on the ORD-LGA route shortly after they may go on strike. This route is operated by Shuttle America, so would a strike at DL affect me?

User currently offlineAjiggity3 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 9851 times:

Yes, it will affect any Delta Connection carrier operated a Delta scheduled flight. I have a ticket on DL all the way out at the end of Sept . . . I may be having to re-book. Good thing I paid with a CC!

User currently offlineAjiggity3 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 9839 times:

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 1):
One day before Easter Sunday! Talk about timing.

Wait . . . it took me a couple times to think about it, but that is not right before Easter.


User currently offlineSv7887 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1025 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 9822 times:

Hi All,
I doubt a strike will happen. Both the pilots and management are engaging in a pissing contest. They are all familiar with the story of Eastern Air Lines, and it would be an act of lunacy for either side to force a strike.

The UAW has threatened GM with the same action. The stakes are quite similar there too.

Both sides, I think, agree that keeping Delta in business is the No.1 priority. I'd hate to see 40,000 people lose their jobs over something like this.

Look for a compromise to be reached close to that deadline.

That way the Pilots Union can say they held off Management on the percentage of Cuts, and Management will say, they did extract some concessions.

-Sam


User currently offlineTinkerBelle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 9759 times:

$hit! I'm supposed to be flying DL on April 24th.

User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 9759 times:

Quoting Ajiggity3 (Reply 4):
Wait . . . it took me a couple times to think about it, but that is not right before Easter.

By bad 2 days after Easter Sunday.



You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineGeorgiaAME From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 967 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 9759 times:

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 5):
I'd hate to see 40,000 people lose their jobs over something like this.

You might not.

But a union member or "leader" certainly doesn't have a problem with it.

As one of the other bloggers pointed out, Delta still has a couple of billion dollars sloshing around in the coffers, so how they plan on liquidating 24 hours after a strike begins is beyond me. And doesn't the President have the authority to force the strikers back to work for 90 days, if a strike is called? I'd like to hear from one of our legal authorities on that one.

I'm booked into Tokyo in mid-May. Delta goes under, I fly with the (former) competition for a hell of a lot less than I'm paying now...



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User currently offlineAjiggity3 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 9738 times:

Quoting GeorgiaAME (Reply 8):
And doesn't the President have the authority to force the strikers back to work for 90 days, if a strike is called? I'd like to hear from one of our legal authorities on that one.

I'm certainly not a legal authority but I believe President Clinton made the AA pilots go back to work when he was in office. The strike barely lasted a couple hours. Still creates a PIA though.


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 9707 times:

Quoting Ajiggity3 (Reply 9):
I'm certainly not a legal authority but I believe President Clinton made the AA pilots go back to work when he was in office. The strike barely lasted a couple hours. Still creates a PIA though.

That is true, though NW Pilots were allowed to strike as was Comair.



You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4895 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9594 times:
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Quoting GeorgiaAME (Reply 8):
Delta still has a couple of billion dollars sloshing around in the coffers, so how they plan on liquidating 24 hours after a strike begins is beyond me. And doesn't the President have the authority to force the strikers back to work for 90 days, if a strike is called?

It's not that DL doesn't have the cash; the problem is that a lot of that cash is borrowed from AMEX and GE. And a clause in the loan agreement allows AMEX and GE to call in those loans if a strike were to last more than 48 hours.

And yes, the President can order them back to work if he deems it to be in the national interest...also, DL can try to get a temporary court injunction to order them back to work....


User currently offlineTinPusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 977 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9580 times:

Quoting Ajiggity3 (Thread starter):
The Atlanta Journal today states that the earliest a strike could begin is April 18. This is the first I have heard this so I apologize if it is already posted.

Actually, there were DL pilots picketing outside of the Marine Air Terminal at LGA yesterday and I overheard one say to another that at midnight on the 16th is when they will walk offf the job.



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User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9541 times:

Quoting Jaws707 (Reply 2):
I am scheduled to fly on Delta Connection on the ORD-LGA route shortly after they may go on strike. This route is operated by Shuttle America, so would a strike at DL affect me?



Quoting Ajiggity3 (Reply 3):
Yes, it will affect any Delta Connection carrier operated a Delta scheduled flight.

Incorrect. It is highly likely that Connection carriers would continue operating point-to-point services in the event of a strike...unless and until a shutdown occurred.



Tired of airline bankruptcies....EA/PA/TW and finally DL.
User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4895 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9528 times:
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Quoting TinPusher007 (Reply 12):
Actually, there were DL pilots picketing outside of the Marine Air Terminal at LGA yesterday and I overheard one say to another that at midnight on the 16th is when they will walk offf the job.

This is exactly how stuff spins out of control....first, the arbitrators have to decide in favor of DL (i.e., it can throw out the contract); second, even if they decide in favor of DL, DL can still choose not to throw out the contract and instead choose to continue negotiations. Remember that the pilots have said they would strike only if DL imposes the new terms without a contract.


User currently offlineAjiggity3 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 9390 times:

Quoting Panamair (Reply 14):
This is exactly how stuff spins out of control....first, the arbitrators have to decide in favor of DL (i.e., it can throw out the contract); second, even if they decide in favor of DL, DL can still choose not to throw out the contract and instead choose to continue negotiations. Remember that the pilots have said they would strike only if DL imposes the new terms without a contract.

Of course but I believe this thread has the "IF" clause built in.


User currently offlineAjiggity3 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 9367 times:

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/060407/delta_pilots.html?.v=2

Intersesting article. I would swear this union is ran by a bunch of women . . . drama, drama, drama. "Let's show them, we will clean out our lockers." LAME!

Again this article mentions that they can strike AFTER April 17.


User currently onlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5026 posts, RR: 28
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 9274 times:

Quoting GeorgiaAME (Reply 8):
As one of the other bloggers pointed out, Delta still has a couple of billion dollars sloshing around in the coffers, so how they plan on liquidating 24 hours after a strike begins is beyond me. And doesn't the President have the authority to force the strikers back to work for 90 days, if a strike is called? I'd like to hear from one of our legal authorities on that one.

While I could care less about politics, what do you really think Bush would do about the situation? That is almost like asking FEMA to step in and take care of Delta.

Not to make matters worse, but the price of fuel is going through the roofs! I about puked yesterday when I pumped my car full of a whole $20.00, and got about a quarter of a tank of gas! That is enough for 1 and a half round trips to work! Imagine what an airline is facing right now! YIKES!



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User currently offlineAirRyan From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2532 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 9237 times:

Quoting Panamair (Reply 11):
And yes, the President can order them back to work if he deems it to be in the national interest...also, DL can try to get a temporary court injunction to order them back to work....

No judge can actually FORCE a person to go to work - this is Ameri-ka and we can all decide when/where/if we're going to go into work. Of course there are legal ramifications of such a decision as well, but I'm just saying.


User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5214 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 9061 times:

If the pilots go on strike, DL managment will get before a judge ASAP to get a restraining order to send the pilots back to work.

While a judge can't literally force people to work, he can threaten fines for the union, if he feels that the union doesn't work hard enough to encourage its members to return to work. He can also jail union leaders for contempt of court.

The problem is that the RLA has no provision covering contracts thrown out during bankruptcy proceedings. Obviously, both manangement and union lawyers either are or will be researching to find cases, congressional hearings and debates, and any other sources to show a judge why the RLA does or doesn't apply.

I'm not sure what authority the President has, if any, since hw normally can only send employees back to work, once a strike or lockout starts after the 30-day-cooling-off period. I'm not sure if the White House wants to get involved in a situation that is so legally murky. Besides, the President didn't stop NW or Comair pilots from striking.

The problem is that the strike talk is probably costing DL money in lost reservations. My in-laws live near Atlanta and are exchanging DL miles for Marriott points, and they are planning to fly AA to ORD until the situation is resolved.


User currently offlineAvConsultant From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1360 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8985 times:

Quoting Ajiggity3 (Reply 9):
I'm certainly not a legal authority but I believe President Clinton made the AA pilots go back to work when he was in office. The strike barely lasted a couple hours. Still creates a PIA though.

Don't forget the White House acknowledge there was too much capacity in the market. I would not expect Bush to force them abck to work. Yes, Clinton stepped in on the AA strike, that Clinton.


User currently offlineDualQual From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 763 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8933 times:

The threat of a strike is a tool. The pilots are ready and willing to negotiate. It appears management simply wants to exert their collective will on the employee group. Before any of you jump to conclusions take a moment to consider that the pilot group has always been willing to sit at the table and talk. Management has simply had the party line of "this is what we need and we won't budge". The management by intimidation tactics never work (see anything ever done by Frank Lorenzo). Southwest is an excellent example of proper management. It is the most heavily unionized airline, yet relations are generally very good because management there hasn't completely lost touch with the value of the employee. C.E. Woolman (who I am sure is rolling over in his grave) always said that all airlines are the same, it's the employees that make the difference. The current management seems to have lost touch with that. If Delta is willing to sit at the table and bargain the pilots won't walk even if the arbitrators rule that the contract can be tossed. If they rule for management and management decides to force work condtions, then they will. Managment would be wise to sit and negotiate in good faith because from what I gather speaking to a wide range of pilots, they will sit and negotiate in good faith too.

[Edited 2006-04-07 21:43:02]

User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8220 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8807 times:

The word at the company where I office is very clear: no one is to book a flight on Delta until the management & unions get their act together and the risk of a strike is totally eliminated. There is very little concern for the pilots (or management), but there is a concern that important trips are not put at risk. Both management and the pilots at some point need to understand that they are seen as unreliable in terms of their future. It may be a pissing contest, but both groups are pissing directly into the wind.

User currently offlineSkibum9 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 8632 times:

Quoting DualQual (Reply 21):
The pilots are ready and willing to negotiate. It appears management simply wants to exert their collective will on the employee group. Before any of you jump to conclusions take a moment to consider that the pilot group has always been willing to sit at the table and talk. Management has simply had the party line of "this is what we need and we won't budge". The management by intimidation tactics never work

DualQual, with all due respect, that is a bunch of bunk.

There is plenty of blame to go around on both sides of the camp. DL management is firm that they need $305 million in savings. That can be through wage, workrule changes, or a combination of both. Yes it is intimidation, but unless any of us have actually seen the financial books and the calculations they used to figure that amount, we have no right to second guess it. It is not like they are a solvent company at this point, so I doubt there truely is much flexibility. For all we know it could be true.

On the flip side, the pilots are saying that they are only going to give back something like $150M. Again, none of us have actually seen their financial estimates or calculations, so we don't know if that is true. However, it is intimidation on their part to say they will strike. It is not squarely on management's shoulders to negotiate as it will take both parties to negotiate. Like you said, management won't budge. Well either will the pilots. Sure the pilots say they are willing to negotiate, but it is not negotiating if they say they won't go below their current offer. The fact is the pilots have nothing to leverage, but a strike at this point.



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User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5652 posts, RR: 24
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 8584 times:

Quoting Ajiggity3 (Reply 16):
I would swear this union is ran by a bunch of women

LOL< but at least women aren't as hairy (well in most cases anyways...)

Quoting AirRyan (Reply 18):
Of course there are legal ramifications of such a decision as well, but I'm just saying.

Not to mention financial!

Quoting AvConsultant (Reply 20):
Yes, Clinton stepped in on the AA strike, that Clinton.

But AA is also the biggest airline in the world, DL would not have as much of an economic impact as an AA shutdown would.

Quoting DualQual (Reply 21):
C.E. Woolman (who I am sure is rolling over in his grave) always said that all airlines are the same, it's the employees that make the difference.

Pounding on the lid of his coffin scremain' his head off, wanting to rip Leo Mullin's head off.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 22):
The word at the company where I office is very clear: no one is to book a flight on Delta until the management & unions get their act together and the risk of a strike is totally eliminated.

At my old company last year, we had a contract with DL for 12 Business class seats A DAY to ATH. Since December from what I've heard, its CO to FCO/DUS, then Aegean to ATH.



Next trip: SLC-DEN-SLC-PHX-JFK-LAX-SLC with my wife and oldest daughter. F9 to and from DEN, US to JFK, AA 321 and CR7
25 HPRamper : Neither can the President. What happens if they refuse, are they all put under arrest? I think not. DL would be in a lose/lose situation with no leve
26 COERJ145 : Phew, good thing I changed my DL ticket to SAN to AA. My outbound flight wouldn't have been affected, but my return would have affected.
27 Jumbojet : Have the two sides even had a single negotiation session since the arbitators finiishing hearing arguments from both sides and told them to get a deal
28 Ajiggity3 : We don't really know because the arbitration panel told both sides negotiations were not to be discussed with media and public, even up to the point
29 Post contains links DL787932ER : The AJC article from today about the pilots being asked (by the union) to clean out their lockers says that one of the arbitrators has been mediating
30 JetBluefan1 : I'm flying DL to PVR on April 14th and coming back the 20th. Am I going to be stuck in Mexico? I wouldn't mind being stuck in Mexico. Nevertheless, I
31 Post contains images Lightsaber : If Delta ceases operation for > 24 hours, some of the DIP financing comes due. While this on its own isn't much of an issue, there is the problem tha
32 Post contains images Swissy : Agree with you, why? Ok I am reading all the replys and some of you are in a panic like there is no day after tomorrow............ so what do you thi
33 Ajiggity3 : You are exactly right because even though the airline is not yet on strike, people and business around the country are not booking on them simply bec
34 WorldTraveler : Since the arbitrators specifically told both sides in their last day of the hearing which was open to the public to shut the public rhetoric up and go
35 FlyPNS1 : Can you provide a link where ALPA said this? Or are you just making this up?
36 ChiGB1973 : In recent standoffs in which US Airways, United and Northwest airlines moved to void labor contracts while restructuring in Chapter 11, they reached l
37 Surfdog75 : The reason the rhetoric is being turned up is because management refuses to negotiate. Also not smart when the board told you to go get a deal done.
38 UNDAEROSPACE : Hopefully cooler heads will prevail in this dispute.I'm flying JFK-MCO-NAS on the 14th of April the day before the verdict comes in on the contract an
39 Skibum9 : And so it finally starts in this thread. Sorry Surfdog, no disrespect, but you've just opened up a can of worms that has been argued in many other th
40 Surfdog75 : Yeah, I know. What was I thinking. Anyway, a negotiated settlement is a must here and I think it will happen. The pilot contract has been in effect f
41 Incitatus : Isn't it this way for every employee out there who does not belong to a union? Part of the role of the management of a company is to decide how many
42 Skibum9 : Some are predicting that WN will have to start to seek consessions next year as its fuel hedges slowly start to go away and as costs at the legacies
43 WorldTraveler : actually employers impose their will on all of their employees. Unions like to think that they keep that from happening but it's pretty much accepted
44 Post contains images DeltaGuy767 : I sincerely do hope that the pilots or management do come to an agreement before a strike (even an attempted one), for the sake of the 40,000 other em
45 CWAFlyer : It was more like minutes. Yes he can. That is why many union proponants want the Railway Labor Act abolished. Don't say that too loud around a group
46 JetBlueAUS : Even though I consider myself a 'JetBlue loyalist', I do not feel subject to become heartless towards DL. I do not want DL to lose its business becaus
47 WorldTraveler : and if you think the pilots are being selfish, just think what the millions of passengers that could be stranded away from home around the world by DL
48 WesternA318 : Absolutely correct DeltaGuy. I hoep this management team can pull DL out of the Mullin-watered mire.
49 Letsgetwet : There are not too many things any judge can force you to do, merely for not going to work. On the other hand, it's hard to force someone to give you
50 STT757 : Because even a couple of Billion would not even cover half their debts, in a bankruptcy or foreclosure banks/creditors will take what they can get an
51 Skibum9 : Hey now....let's not single out Mullin. Ron Allen started all the problems. And I think that if a strike does occur and DL goes ch. 7, which I don't
52 WesternA318 : LOL, so very true! I'm gunna have to use that in my thesis, lol.
53 Swissy : Yes you are right that is how it works. There you go 62 years and that is where the union is today 62 years backwards......... Like I said is there a
54 Alias1024 : Perhaps it is management who should be blamed for this mess. We don't know what is happening in the negotiations. Perhaps management is being unreaso
55 Redneckslim : Power to all the brothers and sisters in the struggle!!! Don't let the man stick it to you my brothers!!! Black and brown together, hand in hand, one
56 Mah584jr : Perhaps they'll experience their own ressurection. Highly doubtful, however.
57 Surfdog75 : WorldTraveler, you quoted me as saying something Incitatus said in your reply 43. I guess it's how you look at it. I view the ball as being in managem
58 HPRamper : He can order a stop to the strike. But it is still just an order. Taking into account our current President's respect rating amongst the populace, do
59 Nycfly75 : Just curious, say someone bought a DL ticket, but they are flying on an alliance flight what will happen? For example, someone bought a ticket through
60 WesternA318 : I would think it wouldnt make too much of a difference becasue the pax is going on AF's metal, not DL's.
61 Gift4tbone : Hey all, Just got off of work so I don't have time to read all the posts, but today I heard from a DL CSA that DL, yes DL (I'm assuming management) to
62 KAUSpilot : It was the union telling them to do that, not managment. Not going to happen, DL and Comair pilots are both ALPA. I'm sure Delta could scrounge up so
63 Gift4tbone : Ok well that throws the entire theory away. I asked the CSA several times if she was sure it was DL telling them to clean -em out, she seemed positiv
64 727forever : Skibum9, I beg to differ. They do have leverage. "You take our contract, we take our services and go home. Run your company then." That would make th
65 WesternA318 : Reminds me of UA in 1985, they had backup pilots sitting around in the DEN flight center and other places I assume just waiting for the call. Yep, on
66 727forever : Why isn't he still at UA? He'd certainly be a 772 or 744 Captain by now wouldn't he?? Did he quit because it was so uncomfortable or was he fired???
67 WesternA318 : He sided with Dick Ferris. When Ferris left, so did he.
68 Adriaticus : I don't know about DL, but FX spends several million dollars a year maintaining a backup plan just in case its pilots are ever to go on strike again.
69 Flyingchoirboy : As a resident of Atlanta and a frequent Delta traveler, this is what I think would happen IF a strike was initiated: 1) Union announces strike 2) By t
70 WesternA318 : I think in general, some airlines took EA's tx, but pax were stranded for sure.
71 Petmbro : AA is currently the largest airline, but in 1994 that title was held by United. AA didn't become the largest until around 2000-2001 with the merger w
72 WesternA318 : Amen petmbro. As previously stated many times, I hope cooler heads prevail.
73 Adriaticus : I guess you should amend that to say >; FedEx's fleet is larger than AA's by a few dozen aircraft. __Ad.
74 Panamair : Even DALPA has agreed that this is not enough - that's why they have offered another $140 million! Yes, management should be blamed for allowing the
75 Dl757md : B.S. All non-contract DL employees have had their pensions frozen and they will almost certainly be turned over to the PBGC. It kills me that wheneve
76 Cloudy : I pretty sure there will be some 11th hour agreement. However, Isn't the question not if there is going to be an agreement, but if any agreement will
77 B777-700 : And if they strike and put 50,000 + out of work, they will have a hard time finding other employment, certainly not for they pay they're getting now.
78 Halls120 : Under what authority would he do so? And if the pilots refuse to obey, is he going to throw them all in jail?
79 HPRamper : He is allowed to issue that order under the Railway Labor Act...an archaic piece of legislation that really has no place in today's economic landscap
80 WorldTraveler : Under the Railway Labor Act, there are numerous relief valves to prevent damage to the economy. The President absolutely has the authority to order a
81 Post contains links Skibum9 : Have you seen the financials, the complete financials as disclosed in the bankruptcy and arbitration hearings? You've only seen what is publically av
82 JayinKitsap : To just think, not long ago some posters were saying that DL would be buying this plane or that. DL is losing $ hand over fist, just the fear of a str
83 Surfdog75 : I'm not totally clueless... I am well aware of the cuts other work groups have endured, especially the outstanding techops personnel. DFW hanger/base
84 Dl757md : I see your point about retiring at 60 and also realize that the max benefit from the PBGC is a small fraction of what you would have gotten had thing
85 Halls120 : He can order them. What will he do if they refuse? Throw them all in jail? If Lee Moak orders his pilots to obey the order, and they refuse, how can
86 Halls120 : A stupid act by the pilots made worse by an even stupider act by management in giving in. Moral obligations? Don't make me laugh. Where was all the c
87 Deputydawghere : I'll pray with you my friend. It would be very depressing to see Delta gone.
88 WorldTraveler : 757, there is an amendment attached to pension reform which your company supports that would allow you to get pension credit as if you worked until ag
89 Halls120 : I'll have to take another look at the RLA, but last time I looked at it, I didn't see a morality obligation. The RLA is a legal, not a moral obligati
90 MD88Captain : You deserve what you accept.
91 N839mh : Unemployment + None! New dalpa pilot stickers for their flight bags....the "United+1" stickers are all gone!.....Wonder why that is?
92 Mah584jr : Based on all the posts above, it seems that worker morale at DL has reached rock bottom. Labor disputes aren't fun for anybody. It just doesn't seem l
93 HPRamper : Yeah, what workers they have left of their own.
94 EA CO AS : Not if the contract is tossed, no. Legally, the minute the contract is thrown out, each pilot becomes an "at-will" employee that is no longer represe
95 CWAFlyer : I didn't say they would be thrown in jail, simply ordered back to work by the President ending the strike.
96 CWAFlyer : Did AA's pilots go back to work because they all loved Bill Clinton? I doubt it.
97 Halls120 : What if they refuse the order to return to work?
98 N839MH : No Balls....NO Strike! Simple as baseball....batter up!
99 Panamair : OK, everybody, time to think through some of this in a somewhat more rational manner, instead of the "DL will shut down next week" hysteria. A few imp
100 Goaliemn : I thought whatever the arbitrator decided was binding? I.e. if they say impose the DL contract, they go to the judge and its done.
101 Jumbojet : I on the other hand disagree whole heartedly with your thinking. I would reason to believe that both parties, especially DL, want to get this long he
102 TL8490 : Panamair-- I agree with you completely...If and that is a big If Delta wins the arbitration I think they will use the judgement like a club to get an
103 Bucky707 : one more time, both the company and the union agreed that instead of a judge, a three man panel would decide on whether or not the company can reject
104 Panamair : Bucky, correct me if I'm wrong but even if the company wins but does not choose to impose the new terms, the pilots will not necessarily walk. DALPA'
105 Bucky707 : I just don't know the answer to that one.
106 Ajiggity3 : The pilots have said all along that they will not work without a contract. Therefore, if the panel gives Delta the RIGHT to throw out the contracts d
107 Litz : Also - don't forget ... DALPA's strike date is a starting date in which they can call a strike. After that point, it's an open date. It could happen o
108 Bucky707 : actually, as I understand it, if the panel sides with the company, the contract is at that point rejected. Now, that does not mean Delta has to impos
109 Phollingsworth : If this is the case, has DL already filed for an injunction that would prevent a strike? DL would have to do this before the panel is set to return w
110 Post contains images DL787932ER : Are you saying that the pilots will strike as soon as the arbitrators rule if the decision goes against them, even if DL imposes no changes at that t
111 Ptharris : TICK - TOCK ... TICK - TOCK The clock is ticking down... can Delta and it's pilots feel the pressure yet? Or do you think they'll stay cool up to the
112 WorldTraveler : Based on proposed pay rates for comparable equipment, it's currently UA + about 10% - exactly why the UA + 1 tags are all gone. And there's no work ru
113 Bucky707 : I don't know what will happen. I cannot even speculate. That decision will be made by the union leadership. But I don't think a court can grant an in
114 Litz : And if they need to invoke the RLA, whatever governmental types are needed will likely be standing by their respective red phones as well ... In othe
115 Post contains links KarlB737 : Courtesy: The Associated Press Delta, Pilots Union Continue Negotiations - Thursday April 13, 5:47 pm ET They're still talking and talks could slide i
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