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AWA/USAIR What Happens To Their Boeings?  
User currently offlineAjiggity3 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2864 times:

When AWA/USAir got funding from Airbus to merge, they stated they would be going to an all Boeing fleet. Last I checked AWA had 13 757's and 35 733's. What will happen to those and when? I would think their would be a decent demand for those aircraft especially the 757's.

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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 29680 posts, RR: 84
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2847 times:
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I am guessing you meant to say "all-Airbus" fleet.  Smile

I imagine US is currently using the assets that best meet their current needs since they have them. I expect as the Boeing planes reach their heavy maintenance cycles, they will be sent to the desert and replaced with new Airbus equipment.


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5637 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2786 times:

Some of their 757s are ancient Eastern birds, and I expect demand for them would be particularly low. Both US and HP had old EA birds. They've also got some newer ones that they might be able to get rid of, but those oldies are probably finished.

User currently offlineJonathan-l From France, joined Mar 2002, 501 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2772 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
I expect as the Boeing planes reach their heavy maintenance cycles, they will be sent to the desert

No freighter candidates?


User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2740 times:

You mean "an all Airbus fleet".As other posters have said, the Boeings will be phased once they're due for heavy maintenance. The ex-Eastern 757s will be the first to go since they were among the very first airframes assembled. Same goes for the USAir's 767s. The 737s from both carriers will soldier on for the foreseeable future until they're due for heavy maintenance checks. Look for the combined fleet to consist of A319s, A320s, A321s, A330s & A350s. Regards.


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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2680 times:

I hate to disagree, but the combined US/HP has many many 737s and 757s in their fleet that probably will remain with the airline in the coming years. HP/US is not in a position to place another major aircraft order to replace the Boeing airliners now in service.

737 - there are lots of 2nd generation 737s in the fleet - and a good number of US's 733/734s are equipped with the mechanical (non-glass) cockpit that had more in common with the 732 than the new models; these aircraft have little value in the secondhand market and, as a matter of fact, a few US 733/734s have already been broken up. The airline will slowly retire the 737 fleet, as leases come due, as heavy maintainance is required, and as new orders for A32X, CRJ900 and ER170/190 family are placed......it will be a long and rather slow process in the coming years.

757 - the 757s are probably not going anywhere in the foreseeable future. While its true that US has some very early build ex-EA 757s, and while its true that HP has some very early build ex-Republic 757s - the 757 is an imortant part of US/HPs plans. Firstly, the airline is using the 757s on its new Hawaiian service, in addition, the airline will begin using the 757 on some thin trans-atlantic routes out of PHL (remember, HP/US just went to a lot of trouble getting a portion of the 757 fleet ETOPS qualified) and, finally and most importantly, the airline really needs the 757s for higher-demand routes out of LAS and PHX. Its can be very very hot at HP/US western hub cities during the summer months, and high temps adversely affect aircraft performance - the A321 simply does not have the ability to fly out of LAS and PHX to east coast cities such as NYC and PHL during the summer months without huge load restrictions or making unscheduled stops. The more powerful and more versatile 757 can operate these segments without issue year round. There are rumors again and again that HP/US is looking for additional newer build 757s, to expand or renew their existing fleet, so I would not expect the type to be retired.

762 - big question mark on what US is going to do with its 762s......US has A332s on order to replace the 762 fleet one for one, and logic would suggest that the 762s will simply be retired (and probably go on to become freighters) as the A332s are delivered...........but (there is always a but) there is speculation that US may retain the 762 fleet for use on additonal routes to Hawaii (ie, the long speculated PHL-HNL nonstop for example, and to upgrade certain PHX/LAS-Hawaii services), and keep the 762 for some thinner European routes (its a big jump in capacity from a 762 to an A332), and/or use the 762s for high demand domestic routes and caribbean routes. My guess is that the 762s will leave the fleet once the A332s are delivered - the aircraft are aging, the 762 is no longer considered a fuel effecient aircraft, and the US 762s need a lot of interior work and upgrades to continue flying.

While most newly delivered aircraft with more than 100 seats at US/HP will be coming from Toulouse, Boeings will remain part of the US/HP fleet for years to come.


User currently offlineAjiggity3 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2631 times:

Yes I meant all-Airbus fleet.  Smile Thanks.

User currently offlineERAUgrad02 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2604 times:

If the 737's are here for a while, which im glad to here. I hope they upgrade them. SEATS, etc.


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User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3326 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2597 times:

The 752's and 762's are probably going to stay for a while, but the 737's are already on their way out. US returned many 737's and ultimately some were replaced with America West Express CR9's out of CLT. I don't see US getting rid of any more 737's, but the E190's are likely to be a replacement down the road

User currently offlineHawk44 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 759 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2498 times:

Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 4):
Look for the combined fleet to consist of A319s, A320s, A321s, A330s & A350s. Regards.

Don't forget the E-190's

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 5):

Great post Dutchjet couldn't agree more

Hawk44



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User currently offlineRyeFly From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2408 times:

I think we will see the 737/757/767's in the fleet for another seven to ten years. The 757/767 maybe longer if they start replacing them for newer models of 757/767's.

As for the 737, if the latest answer about the 737 paint schedule in the "About US" newsletter is any indication they will be around for a while too.

Former HP 733's... 11 planned to be painted in the new US scheme in 2006 with the remaining 16 slated for 2007.

For the former US 733's all 29 are scheduled for painting in 2007 with a fleet completion estimated by the end of 2007. The 734's will take on the new livery between 2007 and 2009 with the vast majority of these planned for painting in 2008.

It's rare to paint a plane in a new scheme if they plan on getting rid of them shortly.


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