717fan From Switzerland, joined Nov 2001, 2017 posts, RR: 7 Posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2286 times:
The Iran Air Tours deal has reportedly been cancelled. For how long will the 90's stay in China? Where will China Eastern's and China Southern's MD-90's go? Thanks
Georgiabill From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 544 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2286 times:
Perhaps Hello might be interested in adding additional MD90'S.
MEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4117 posts, RR: 37 Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2257 times:
The MD-90 is now for the Chinese what the Trident was for them in the 1980s; an unwanted design but capable of flying their domestic routes for at least another 10 years. The Iranian deal was Saudi and China's only chance to get rid of them. I now expect Saudi and China hanging on to their fleets right til they are scrapped while the smaller SAS and Delta fleets will spread over small operators like Blue1 and Ghana .
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AviationAddict From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 540 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2246 times:
Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 2): I now expect Saudi and China hanging on to their fleets right til they are scrapped while the smaller SAS and Delta fleets will spread over small operators like Blue1 and Ghana .
Midwest is still a possible buyer for some of Delta's MD-90s, but probably only if a deal can be reached withing the next year or so.
HiJazzey From Saudi Arabia, joined Sep 2005, 788 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2110 times:
Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 2): The MD-90 is now for the Chinese what the Trident was for them in the 1980s; an unwanted design but capable of flying their domestic routes for at least another 10 years. The Iranian deal was Saudi and China's only chance to get rid of them. I now expect Saudi and China hanging on to their fleets right til they are scrapped while the smaller SAS and Delta fleets will spread over small operators like Blue1 and Ghana .
I didn't know that Saudi was a party to the air tours deal. I think SV has long ago resigned to keeping those MD-90s to the end.
MEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4117 posts, RR: 37 Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2105 times:
Quoting HiJazzey (Reply 6): I didn't know that Saudi was a party to the air tours deal.
Saudia was in talks with Iran to sell them the MD-90s around 2001-2003ish but that deal didn't work out either. Indeed they now seem to hang on to them in combination with smaller Embraers.
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WorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2044 times:
No one said DL is getting rid of their MD90s. They are owned, not leased so cannot be rejected in bankruptcy. It's entirely possible that DL might choose to pick up the Chinese MD90s; they are cheaper to operate than the MD80 and, while not industry leading they are viable, cheap transportation.
Scalebuilder From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2038 times:
Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 8): No one said DL is getting rid of their MD90s. They are owned, not leased so cannot be rejected in bankruptcy. It's entirely possible that DL might choose to pick up the Chinese MD90s; they are cheaper to operate than the MD80 and, while not industry leading they are viable, cheap transportation.
The MD-90 will likely stay with DL until it retires. Respectful exit for a great aircraft.
Steeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 8809 posts, RR: 19 Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2028 times:
Quoting AviationAddict (Reply 3): Midwest is still a possible buyer for some of Delta's MD-90s, but probably only if a deal can be reached withing the next year or so.
I thought that YX would want those birds myself. On the contraire, I don't think they want to do much of a fleet expansion as of late, but I could be wrong...
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N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 79 Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1939 times:
Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 8): MD90s; they are cheaper to operate than the MD80
In what lifetime?
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D950 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 493 posts, RR: 2 Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks ago) and read 1780 times:
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Ghana was going to take the Pro Air 90's that are being broken up. Tha Saudi are special cockpit, they are going nowhere, Blue1 is using the ex Nordic Leisure, awaiting their own, and Hello is leasing the three MD90's they acquired from SAS to Iceland Express. No one is looking to "get rid" of these birds including JAS, EVA/UNI, or DL.
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Litz From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1745 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks ago) and read 1757 times:
Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 8): No one said DL is getting rid of their MD90s. They are owned, not leased so cannot be rejected in bankruptcy. It's entirely possible that DL might choose to pick up the Chinese MD90s; they are cheaper to operate than the MD80 and, while not industry leading they are viable, cheap transportation.
There's something else to consider : the MD90 has performance characteristics that make it vital for DL's operations out of SLC ... if they decide to grow their hub there, they might very well be interested in additional MD90s (if they are CHEAP) to help with that growth.
MD-90 fuel burn is comparable to Boeing and Airbus' current generation of narrowbody 150 seaters. For an airline that already operates the MD-88 or existing MD-90s, add'l MD-90 should be pretty attractive esp. given what must be very low lease rates. The question is obviously how many MD-90s are on the market and how compatible they are w/ existing fleets.
MD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8418 posts, RR: 13 Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1618 times:
Quoting Scalebuilder (Reply 16): Could you explain what is different about the Saudi cockpit?
Similiar to the 717 cockpit, with six EFIS screens, although the two do not share a type rating. Most MD-90s have the older EFIS cockpit like the MD-88.
Steeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 8809 posts, RR: 19 Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1574 times:
Quoting MD-90 (Reply 17): The picture on the left is a Delta MD-90, the right is a 717.
The 717 deck looks a lot more modern - looks like more screens than dials and gauges and...
...and they're beeping and blinking, anndd theey're beeepiinng aaaand I CANT TAKE IT ANYMORE!!
Anyone remember that one from the sequal?
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