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Where Will China's MD-90's Go?  
User currently offline717fan From Switzerland, joined Nov 2001, 2017 posts, RR: 6
Posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3448 times:

The Iran Air Tours deal has reportedly been cancelled. For how long will the 90's stay in China? Where will China Eastern's and China Southern's MD-90's go? Thanks

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User currently offlineGeorgiabill From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 583 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3448 times:
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Perhaps Hello might be interested in adding additional MD90'S.

User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4341 posts, RR: 35
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3419 times:

The MD-90 is now for the Chinese what the Trident was for them in the 1980s; an unwanted design but capable of flying their domestic routes for at least another 10 years. The Iranian deal was Saudi and China's only chance to get rid of them. I now expect Saudi and China hanging on to their fleets right til they are scrapped while the smaller SAS and Delta fleets will spread over small operators like Blue1 and Ghana .


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User currently offlineAviationAddict From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 623 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3408 times:
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Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 2):
I now expect Saudi and China hanging on to their fleets right til they are scrapped while the smaller SAS and Delta fleets will spread over small operators like Blue1 and Ghana .

Midwest is still a possible buyer for some of Delta's MD-90s, but probably only if a deal can be reached withing the next year or so.


User currently offlineRAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3332 times:
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Iran Aseman Airlines and Mahan Air are understood to be the newoweners of these aircrafts.


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User currently offlineBA747YYZ From Canada, joined Mar 2006, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3291 times:

No one really wants DC-10's, I would expect China Eastern and Southern would hold on to them until they go the plane graveyard in Arizona.

User currently offlineHiJazzey From Saudi Arabia, joined Sep 2005, 870 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3272 times:

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 2):
The MD-90 is now for the Chinese what the Trident was for them in the 1980s; an unwanted design but capable of flying their domestic routes for at least another 10 years. The Iranian deal was Saudi and China's only chance to get rid of them. I now expect Saudi and China hanging on to their fleets right til they are scrapped while the smaller SAS and Delta fleets will spread over small operators like Blue1 and Ghana .

I didn't know that Saudi was a party to the air tours deal. I think SV has long ago resigned to keeping those MD-90s to the end.


User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4341 posts, RR: 35
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3267 times:

Quoting HiJazzey (Reply 6):
I didn't know that Saudi was a party to the air tours deal.

Saudia was in talks with Iran to sell them the MD-90s around 2001-2003ish but that deal didn't work out either. Indeed they now seem to hang on to them in combination with smaller Embraers.



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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3206 times:

No one said DL is getting rid of their MD90s. They are owned, not leased so cannot be rejected in bankruptcy. It's entirely possible that DL might choose to pick up the Chinese MD90s; they are cheaper to operate than the MD80 and, while not industry leading they are viable, cheap transportation.

User currently offlineScalebuilder From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3200 times:

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 8):
No one said DL is getting rid of their MD90s. They are owned, not leased so cannot be rejected in bankruptcy. It's entirely possible that DL might choose to pick up the Chinese MD90s; they are cheaper to operate than the MD80 and, while not industry leading they are viable, cheap transportation.

The MD-90 will likely stay with DL until it retires. Respectful exit for a great aircraft.


User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9235 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3190 times:

Quoting AviationAddict (Reply 3):
Midwest is still a possible buyer for some of Delta's MD-90s, but probably only if a deal can be reached withing the next year or so.

I thought that YX would want those birds myself. On the contraire, I don't think they want to do much of a fleet expansion as of late, but I could be wrong...



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User currently offline717fan From Switzerland, joined Nov 2001, 2017 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3112 times:

I didn't know Iran Aseman and Mahan are interested at those MD-90's...where does this information comes, is it confirmed?
Thanks


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26599 posts, RR: 75
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3101 times:

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 8):
MD90s; they are cheaper to operate than the MD80

In what lifetime?



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User currently offlineD950 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 493 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2942 times:

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Ghana was going to take the Pro Air 90's that are being broken up. Tha Saudi are special cockpit, they are going nowhere, Blue1 is using the ex Nordic Leisure, awaiting their own, and Hello is leasing the three MD90's they acquired from SAS to Iceland Express. No one is looking to "get rid" of these birds including JAS, EVA/UNI, or DL.



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User currently offlineLitz From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1766 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2919 times:
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Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 8):
No one said DL is getting rid of their MD90s. They are owned, not leased so cannot be rejected in bankruptcy. It's entirely possible that DL might choose to pick up the Chinese MD90s; they are cheaper to operate than the MD80 and, while not industry leading they are viable, cheap transportation.

There's something else to consider : the MD90 has performance characteristics that make it vital for DL's operations out of SLC ... if they decide to grow their hub there, they might very well be interested in additional MD90s (if they are CHEAP) to help with that growth.

- litz


User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2876 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 12):
In what lifetime?

MD-90 fuel burn is comparable to Boeing and Airbus' current generation of narrowbody 150 seaters. For an airline that already operates the MD-88 or existing MD-90s, add'l MD-90 should be pretty attractive esp. given what must be very low lease rates. The question is obviously how many MD-90s are on the market and how compatible they are w/ existing fleets.


User currently offlineScalebuilder From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2829 times:

Quoting D950 (Reply 13):
Tha Saudi are special cockpit, they are going nowhere

Could you explain what is different about the Saudi cockpit?


User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8508 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2780 times:

Quoting Scalebuilder (Reply 16):
Could you explain what is different about the Saudi cockpit?

Similiar to the 717 cockpit, with six EFIS screens, although the two do not share a type rating. Most MD-90s have the older EFIS cockpit like the MD-88.


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The picture on the left is a Delta MD-90, the right is a 717. There are no pictures of Saudi MD-90 cockpits in the database.


User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9235 posts, RR: 21
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2736 times:

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 17):
The picture on the left is a Delta MD-90, the right is a 717.

The 717 deck looks a lot more modern - looks like more screens than dials and gauges and...

...and they're beeping and blinking, anndd theey're beeepiinng aaaand I CANT TAKE IT ANYMORE!!

Anyone remember that one from the sequal?  Wink



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User currently offlineBmiBaby737 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2697 times:

Some of the Aircraft were due to fly over to Bournemouth, England for re-sale by European Aircharter but this deal fell through with China.

BmiBaby737


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