Isitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 26 Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7357 times:
Now there's an about face! Perhaps CO knows something we don't..perhaps about the future of DL and or NW...or maybe they just want to bang heads with AA on the international circuit. More news should be coming in the future months about this expansion.
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HunUtazo From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 235 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 7076 times:
LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12365 posts, RR: 12 Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6994 times:
I also wouldn't forget that combined with expansion, you do have normal goings of employees for a variety of personal and employment related reasons. With pensions going out, and declining or leveled out pay and benefits, people won't stay with an airline for life, but may move on to non-airline jobs. At least this way, CO will have the people they need when that time comes.
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 58 Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6836 times:
Quoting RobTrent (Reply 6): Have Co ordered any New aircraft lately ? Perhaps they will just work the existing fleet harder.
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R
Aside from the 787s, there are two 772ERs on order for confirmed delivery next year, strong rumors that further 772ER orders were placed but not announced as the orders are subject to confirmation, CO is in the process of taking delivery of the ex-ATA 753s and again there are rumors that CO has some type of agreement to take the remaining 4 ex-ATA 753s just as soon as ATA gets its fleet situation worked out, and there have been recent 738 deliveries.
Further, there are continuing rumors that CO is looking to lease additional widebody aircraft.......but these rumors have been around forever with no result. The latest is that CO is trying to pick up two additonal 777s as soon as possible - but being that there are zero 777s available on the market, the topic is moot.
Good luck to CO - they do work hard and fly right.
Airbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 6953 posts, RR: 7 Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6823 times:
Quoting CAL (Reply 2): The pilots union for Continental already has been holding welcome parties for newcomers, said union spokesman Jim Moody.
The more they have in the Union the faster CO will follow the other legacy carriers into BK. Lets face it, Unions don't help anyone anymore. Ever wondered why Southwest makes so much money?
Goldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5490 posts, RR: 13 Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6784 times:
Quoting Airbazar (Reply 10): Lets face it, Unions don't help anyone anymore. Ever wondered why Southwest makes so much money?
Those two sentences contradict each other. Southwest is HEAVILY unionized.
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Ewr756 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 35 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6758 times:
Quoting Airbazar (Reply 10): Ever wondered why Southwest makes so much money?
In case you haven't noticed, Southwest pilots have been unionized since the beginning - SWAPA (Southwest Airlines Pilots Assn). BTW, it's not unions who take airlines down; it's incompetent and overpaid management.
N766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8008 posts, RR: 27 Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6730 times:
4500 jobs, only 600 in Houston. Hey maybe some growth in CLE?
TristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 3712 posts, RR: 34 Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6712 times:
Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 3): have the airlines outsourced some of their work
Yes, our airline is outsoucing as much as possible. All catering, all ramp service and customer service abroad, heavy maintenance etc. If you don't work on an aircraft, you might get outsourced, and a local Swdish airline has all its cabin crew from an manpower company!
CAL From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 497 posts, RR: 9 Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6703 times:
Quoting N766UA (Reply 13): 4500 jobs, only 600 in Houston. Hey maybe some growth in CLE?
LOL!!!!!
Quoting RobTrent (Reply 6): Have Co ordered any New aircraft lately ? Perhaps they will just work the existing fleet harder.
Ok, somrone does not follow CO very well. CO has some of the the highest aircraft utilation numbers in the industry. Its going to be very hard for CO to work the fleet any harder.
CAL........Continental Airlines....... Work Hard, Fly Right
LAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5085 posts, RR: 48 Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6679 times:
Quoting Ewr756 (Reply 12): BTW, it's not unions who take airlines down; it's incompetent and overpaid management
Perhaps. IIRC, there was a time the trend was for employees to be majority owner of the airlines, and IIRC in early 1990s American Airlines CEO had indicated that in the future most airlines would be employee owned. Is it true for any airline today and if not which airline has the highest employee ownership.
In theory an employee owned/managed airline should do better than the current structure of most airlines as there will be less friction between management and employees. Why hasn't this happened yet? I would appreciate if airline employees can comment on this.
Travatl From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2172 posts, RR: 11 Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6649 times:
Goldenshield is right. In fact if I'm not mistaken, I believe 85% of Southwest Airlines employees are unionized - encompassing EVERY non-management workgroup.
RobTrent From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 260 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6589 times:
Quoting CAL (Reply 15): Ok, somrone does not follow CO very well. CO has some of the the highest aircraft utilation numbers in the industry. Its going to be very hard for CO to work the fleet any harder.
I live in the UK and have an interest in Aviation. I must admit I am not up to date on CO's plane orders or financial status.
Thank you for the Information, at least now I am better informed !
N766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8008 posts, RR: 27 Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6495 times:
CcrlR From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2204 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 5474 times:
one of my friends who used to work for UA as a 737FO, and he told me that he had a call from UA asking for him to come back.
i would possibly see this comming anyway. This orginization that I work with has this person who she used to fly with ACA(with UA) that they know and she now works for CO as a 737 First officer.
Quoting N766UA (Reply 13): 4500 jobs, only 600 in Houston. Hey maybe some growth in CLE?
Some of these people I know(2 actually who are flight Instructors) work for the Express Jet division as pilots in IAH. Mabye some more from there could try.
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Tu154 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 366 posts, RR: 4 Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4876 times:
didnt UA just announce they were hiring 4000............................
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Tsaord From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4768 times:
well good luck Continental! After the last year and a half I seem to think CO is the "Diamond in the Ruff" of the airline industry in the United States. I keep hearing good things about them, only if they hubbed here I would try them. But who knows how things will look 10 years from now..hell maybe even 5 years!
also a friend of mind attended and is now a F/A with CO! He trained in Houston but had to be based in Newark.
FlyHoss From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 598 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4731 times:
Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 3): ! Was there too much fat to begin with...?
IMHO, there was too much fat. For example, CO has eliminated nearly 25% of it's senior management. However, there have also been personnel reductions due to efficiency gains from technology. Several carriers have been able to reduce the staffing at reservation centers due to the growth in internet sales.
Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 3): Are the current employees getting a lot of overtime?
From what I've observed and experienced, the answer is yes.
Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 3): ...have the airlines outsourced some of their work?
Again, yes, especially in maintenance, but also in reservation centers; don't forget DL's "res" center in India.
Letsgetwet From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 609 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4552 times:
Quoting Tsaord (Reply 23): also a friend of mind attended and is now a F/A with CO! He trained in Houston but had to be based in Newark.
All F/A training at CO is done in Houston. Right now most of their expansion is at EWR so you have to be based there, but you can transfer to IAH eventually. Personally I think EWR is a much more exciting area with a lot more exciting and interesting things to see and do within a 100 mile radious.
Gilligan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4254 times:
Quoting Ewr756 (Reply 12): BTW, it's not unions who take airlines down; it's incompetent and overpaid management.
It's both.
Quoting Letsgetwet (Reply 25): Personally I think EWR is a much more exciting area with a lot more exciting and interesting things to see and do within a 100 mile radious.
That maybe true but if you're sitting on reserve making the monthly minimum, it's an awful expensive place to see and do things in. I also hear that there are some really exciting things to see and do in some of the crash pads that might involve 4 legged friends that hide in the walls.
They can't hire fast enough for the ramp in Houston. They need more people just to keep up with the pace.
25 EssentialPowr: Delta just found 1,000 managers they apparently feel they can funtion with out, according to USA Today, last week...where have they been? CAL is so mu
27 N1120A: 86% to be exact, the most unionized of any airline in the US
28 PHXMKEflyer: I am just curiuos but is CO a good airline to start with as a ramper or CSR and later on move into a corporate job? Do they encourage promoting from w
29 WesternA318: As well as incometent and power-hungry union leaders. From other threads it seems like Im Anti-union, I'm not, they have their place in society, in m
30 CLE757: Starting in Mid-June CLE will have 3 757-300's on the 0900bank CLE-IAH 757-300 0900 bank CLE-LAX 757-300 0900 bank CLE-LAS 757-300 0900 bank CLE-EWR
31 Slider: Maybe instead of speculating about CO's growth, it would be a novel idea to actually read and quote the article... A lot of this is volume driven base
32 MX757: Yeah that's why CO's unions (with the exception of the F/A's) agreed to paycuts on the first go around. The F/A's agreed to cuts on the second go aro
33 Cory6188: I thought the same thing. CO's unions are relatively peaceful, and it's a testament to the management of the company that all but one work group pass
34 Toxtethogrady: "CO has some of the the highest aircraft utilation numbers in the industry. Its going to be very hard for CO to work the fleet any harder." The widebo
35 WesternA318: Amen, I know in fact, the SLC 555AM departure is always packed, but could we possibly put even a 735 instead of the ERJ?
36 Joeman: I'm glad you point out positive news. Thanks!
37 CLE757: I think CLE will see even more flights/larger aircraft once the ramp/bag-room expansion is complete, CLE has been in 80% + load factor for ahwhile no
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