Isitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7943 times:
Now there's an about face! Perhaps CO knows something we don't..perhaps about the future of DL and or NW...or maybe they just want to bang heads with AA on the international circuit. More news should be coming in the future months about this expansion.
If two people agree on EVERYTHING, then one isn't necessary.
LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12881 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 7580 times:
I also wouldn't forget that combined with expansion, you do have normal goings of employees for a variety of personal and employment related reasons. With pensions going out, and declining or leveled out pay and benefits, people won't stay with an airline for life, but may move on to non-airline jobs. At least this way, CO will have the people they need when that time comes.
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days ago) and read 7422 times:
Quoting RobTrent (Reply 6): Have Co ordered any New aircraft lately ? Perhaps they will just work the existing fleet harder.
Aside from the 787s, there are two 772ERs on order for confirmed delivery next year, strong rumors that further 772ER orders were placed but not announced as the orders are subject to confirmation, CO is in the process of taking delivery of the ex-ATA 753s and again there are rumors that CO has some type of agreement to take the remaining 4 ex-ATA 753s just as soon as ATA gets its fleet situation worked out, and there have been recent 738 deliveries.
Further, there are continuing rumors that CO is looking to lease additional widebody aircraft.......but these rumors have been around forever with no result. The latest is that CO is trying to pick up two additonal 777s as soon as possible - but being that there are zero 777s available on the market, the topic is moot.
Good luck to CO - they do work hard and fly right.
In case you haven't noticed, Southwest pilots have been unionized since the beginning - SWAPA (Southwest Airlines Pilots Assn). BTW, it's not unions who take airlines down; it's incompetent and overpaid management.
TristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 3930 posts, RR: 34
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days ago) and read 7298 times:
Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 3): have the airlines outsourced some of their work
Yes, our airline is outsoucing as much as possible. All catering, all ramp service and customer service abroad, heavy maintenance etc. If you don't work on an aircraft, you might get outsourced, and a local Swdish airline has all its cabin crew from an manpower company!
LAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days ago) and read 7265 times:
Quoting Ewr756 (Reply 12): BTW, it's not unions who take airlines down; it's incompetent and overpaid management
Perhaps. IIRC, there was a time the trend was for employees to be majority owner of the airlines, and IIRC in early 1990s American Airlines CEO had indicated that in the future most airlines would be employee owned. Is it true for any airline today and if not which airline has the highest employee ownership.
In theory an employee owned/managed airline should do better than the current structure of most airlines as there will be less friction between management and employees. Why hasn't this happened yet? I would appreciate if airline employees can comment on this.
RobTrent From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7175 times:
Quoting CAL (Reply 15): Ok, somrone does not follow CO very well. CO has some of the the highest aircraft utilation numbers in the industry. Its going to be very hard for CO to work the fleet any harder.
I live in the UK and have an interest in Aviation. I must admit I am not up to date on CO's plane orders or financial status.
Thank you for the Information, at least now I am better informed !
Tsaord From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5354 times:
well good luck Continental! After the last year and a half I seem to think CO is the "Diamond in the Ruff" of the airline industry in the United States. I keep hearing good things about them, only if they hubbed here I would try them. But who knows how things will look 10 years from now..hell maybe even 5 years!
also a friend of mind attended and is now a F/A with CO! He trained in Houston but had to be based in Newark.
IMHO, there was too much fat. For example, CO has eliminated nearly 25% of it's senior management. However, there have also been personnel reductions due to efficiency gains from technology. Several carriers have been able to reduce the staffing at reservation centers due to the growth in internet sales.
Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 3): Are the current employees getting a lot of overtime?
From what I've observed and experienced, the answer is yes.
Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 3): ...have the airlines outsourced some of their work?
Again, yes, especially in maintenance, but also in reservation centers; don't forget DL's "res" center in India.
Letsgetwet From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 5138 times:
Quoting Tsaord (Reply 23): also a friend of mind attended and is now a F/A with CO! He trained in Houston but had to be based in Newark.
All F/A training at CO is done in Houston. Right now most of their expansion is at EWR so you have to be based there, but you can transfer to IAH eventually. Personally I think EWR is a much more exciting area with a lot more exciting and interesting things to see and do within a 100 mile radious.
Gilligan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4840 times:
Quoting Ewr756 (Reply 12): BTW, it's not unions who take airlines down; it's incompetent and overpaid management.
Quoting Letsgetwet (Reply 25): Personally I think EWR is a much more exciting area with a lot more exciting and interesting things to see and do within a 100 mile radious.
That maybe true but if you're sitting on reserve making the monthly minimum, it's an awful expensive place to see and do things in. I also hear that there are some really exciting things to see and do in some of the crash pads that might involve 4 legged friends that hide in the walls.
They can't hire fast enough for the ramp in Houston. They need more people just to keep up with the pace.
: Delta just found 1,000 managers they apparently feel they can funtion with out, according to USA Today, last week...where have they been? CAL is so mu