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Why Did PIA Stop Direct Flights To USA?  
User currently offlinePK786 From Pakistan, joined May 2005, 26 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 14065 times:

Hi
I like to know why PIA stop flying direct flights to USA and Canada.On web site they are showing but when i booked the flight for this month they are not direct they are stopping again at Manchester what a pain any info please thanks in advance.

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User currently offlineGLAGAZ From UK - Scotland, joined Feb 2004, 1983 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 14047 times:

Something to do with the US and security issues. They are happy for non-stop on USA-PAK but not PAK-USA.

Gaz



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User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8655 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 13926 times:

They may stop in Manchester but that is still a direct flight. Non-stop is a different thing. There's a whole list of reasons why a carrier would choose to fly a one-stop direct route rather than a non-stop route. My guess is as good as any: lack of demand, lack of aircraft for the route, lack of permission, etc.

User currently offlineBA747YYZ From Canada, joined Mar 2006, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 13914 times:

It is a direct flight, but I suspect that it might have something to do with either traffic, or range. I know they still fly to YYZ, when I was arriving so was a large PIA flight, that was fun. Immigration trying to deal with 200-400 people that spoke little or no English, and yet they got less hassle than I did!

User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 13871 times:

Quoting GLAGAZ (Reply 1):
Something to do with the US and security issues. They are happy for non-stop on USA-PAK but not PAK-USA.

that is correct, right now, the United States Govt isn't allowing direct nonstop flights from Pakistan due to security issues.

PK didn't address this situation prior to setting up their flight route..how typical of something like the PK management to do this.. sarcastic 

it stems from the fact many Pakistani leaders/politicians/etc. still think they don't have to go through security lines..

the Pakistan Government is working on solving this issue, but until then, the plane will have to make a stop in MAN...

Quoting BA747YYZ (Reply 3):
It is a direct flight, but I suspect that it might have something to do with either traffic, or range

I hope the 777-200LR isn't range restricted... spin 



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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24964 posts, RR: 56
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 13844 times:

The US Government isn't happy with security issues in Pakistan, hence the 772LRs have to do a splash and dash in Manchester on flights from Pakistan-USA.
USA-Pakistan is nonstop, and Pakistan-YYZ and v.v. is nonstop both ways.
In other words, the US government is paranoid, but thats for non aviation  Wink



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User currently offlineAhlfors From Canada, joined Oct 2000, 1347 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 13606 times:

So what, they land in MAN, everyone gets off the plane, goes through security, back on the plane and it takes off???

User currently offlineMajorNelson From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 13574 times:

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 2):
There's a whole list of reasons why a carrier would choose to fly a one-stop direct route rather than a non-stop route. My guess is as good as any: lack of demand, lack of aircraft for the route, lack of permission, etc.

In other words, you don't know the answer.


User currently offlinePK786 From Pakistan, joined May 2005, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 13562 times:

HI
They are showing on there web site the flights are direct non stop.But because Queen need more money in England so they have to stop and not only that if you are not citizen of USA you have to get a transit visa and you have to pay for it and then you have to go through the worse airport in the world MAN and go through the security again and get insulted for nothing.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 13558 times:

Quoting PK786 (Reply 8):
because Queen need more money in England so they have to stop and not only that if you are not citizen of USA you have to get a transit visa and you have to pay for it and then you have to go through the worse airport in the world MAN and go through the security again and get insulted for nothing.

So you knew the answer all along then?



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 13543 times:

Quoting PK786 (Reply 8):
HI
They are showing on there web site the flights are direct non stop.But because Queen need more money in England so they have to stop and not only that if you are not citizen of USA you have to get a transit visa and you have to pay for it and then you have to go through the worse airport in the world MAN and go through the security again and get insulted for nothing.



Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 9):

So you knew the answer all along then?

lol..thats not what it is.........it is because of my comments which I mentioned previously... Smile

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 4):
that is correct, right now, the United States Govt isn't allowing direct nonstop flights from Pakistan due to security issues.

PK didn't address this situation prior to setting up their flight route..how typical of something like the PK management to do this.. sarcastic

it stems from the fact many Pakistani leaders/politicians/etc. still think they don't have to go through security lines..

the Pakistan Government is working on solving this issue, but until then, the plane will have to make a stop in MAN...



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 13524 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 10):
lol..thats not what it is.........it is because of my comments which I mentioned previously

Ah thank you, I get so easily confused  Wink



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 13517 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 11):
Ah thank you, I get so easily confused  Wink

yah..i'm sure you get so easily confused...right..... if that's the case, did you know I have bridge to sell you in Brooklyn?  Wink



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 13510 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 12):
did you know I have bridge to sell you in Brooklyn?

I've a wet suitcase full of Confederate bonds to buy it with!

To stay on topic, maybe we can do a deal while spotting a PIA landing at IAH.  Smile



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 13460 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 13):

I've a wet suitcase full of Confederate bonds to buy it with!

I guess those are legitimate........ Smile

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 13):
To stay on topic, maybe we can do a deal while spotting a PIA landing at IAH.  Smile

suuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrre......my bridge for your bonds...... Wink



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlinePK786 From Pakistan, joined May 2005, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 13444 times:

HI
I can sell you my country if you like lol.I just think PIA got stick with the planes so they can fly but then they got the planes now there is a problem good to be powerful company BOEING and the country USA ha ha.


User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 13419 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 4):
how typical of something like the PK management to do this..

What have they done before such that you gave them the 'typical' label?



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26795 posts, RR: 75
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 13411 times:

Quoting BA747YYZ (Reply 3):
Immigration trying to deal with 200-400 people that spoke little or no English

Were they coming from some other country, because every Pakistani person I have ever met speaks flawless English



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 13394 times:

Quoting Lehpron (Reply 16):

What have they done before such that you gave them the 'typical' label?

if you knew anything of PK management, you would know at times, they are as competent as BD's management.... Wink

by the way, if you read my other posts, you would know I'm probably the biggest PK supporter on A.net.. spin 



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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24964 posts, RR: 56
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 13282 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 17):
Were they coming from some other country, because every Pakistani person I have ever met speaks flawless English

You should try speaking with some of them that work in call centres for British companies then. It's like talking to a brick wall.  Angry



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User currently offlineCO7e7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2849 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 13244 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 19):
You should try speaking with some of them that work in call centres for British companies

and some American companies... try calling DELL's customer service!!! I bet you Kirkie, you'll consider shooting yourself by the time you hang up!  Wink

For me, it's one of the most frustrating things!!!


User currently offlineHS748 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 13236 times:

Quoting PK786 (Reply 8):
HI
They are showing on there web site the flights are direct non stop.But because Queen need more money in England so they have to stop and not only that if you are not citizen of USA you have to get a transit visa and you have to pay for it and then you have to go through the worse airport in the world MAN and go through the security again and get insulted for nothing.

You do know that you don't have to travel through MAN, don't you? If you don't like it, don't do it, nobody is forcing you, are they?


User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24964 posts, RR: 56
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 13151 times:

Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 20):
and some American companies... try calling DELL's customer service!!! I bet you Kirkie, you'll consider shooting yourself by the time you hang up! Wink

For me, it's one of the most frustrating things!!!

Aye, but lets get back on topic  Wink



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User currently offlineFiaz From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 13030 times:
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OK first of all
let me tell u guys why they stopped non stop flights to canada and it was not due to security reason i dunno aboiut the US but canada wasnt.....

the reason they stoped non-stop flight to yyz is because of lack of crew members, the uniion board for pilots in pakistan is urging PIA to increase salaries for the captains of the b777 team. Now yesterday my uncle who a captain of a b777 was suppose to fly into yyz with his family but did not because PIA decided to send in extra crew on the same flight (dead hours - where the do not work) until manchester and than from manchester to yyz they will take the flight.PIA is doing this because right now they have come to no agreement with their pilots....why do u guys think there have been so many delays with PIA flight into yyz lately ...sometimes 18hrs, somtimes 12 hrs...it has noting do with security its all the management and the pilots of PIA

Fiaz


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4848 posts, RR: 44
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 13010 times:

The US Homeland Security, expressing its security concerns, has not permitted PIA to bring its nonstop flight to New York, sources in PIA informed Pakistan's The Nation newspaper. PIA flight Pk-711 is scheduled to fly to New York non-stop today. It is interesting to note that the route of PIA flight PK-721 leaving Lahore for New York last Sunday was changed at the eleventh hour due to unknown reasons. A delegation comprising officials from US main security agencies including Home Land Security and Traffic Safety Authority visited Pakistan recently and expressed their security concerns over the prevalent security measures at various International Airports.

The US security officials termed the security environment at Karachi and Islamabad Airports as worst where they believed that many influentials got away without security search and checks. They also said in the report that there were many entrance points on these airports. It is interesting to note that PIA announced its flight to New York without prior permission from the host country.

According to rules every airline was bound to seek prior permission to change the route from the country concerned. As per Immigration laws, Pakistanis travelling to US on transit flight and holding green cards issued before 1998 were required to get transit visa from UK Embassy in Pakistan, which required a week to get transit visa. Since PIA was repeatedly asking its passengers through press that PIA flight was operating non stop from Pakistan to New York it meant the said passengers were not required to get transit visa.

Now as the US authorities have refused to allow the PIA to bring its flight direct to New York those possessing green cards would have to manage their transit visas which was not possible for them to manage within limited time. Ultimately they would be off loaded at the Lahore Airport. PIA can fly nonstop from USA to Pakistan but not from Pakistan to USA. Source :

Source : http://nation.com.pk/daily/mar-2006/31/index9.php


25 Jm017 : I missed something. How does a stop in MAN help? Are they required to pre-clear in MAN?[Edited 2006-04-09 16:50:16]
26 Jacobin777 : you got me on that one...logically one would conclude that might be what needs to be done....get clearance in some sort of way...
27 Ahlfors : Apparently they just go through security again. Basically it means that anyone that might have gotten on the plane in Pakistan without a thorough sec
28 YULWinterSkies : AFAIK no pre-clearance at MAN, but they (the US Homeland Security) have all the duration of the pakistan-MAN flights to find out who is onboard, and
29 PK786 : Hi Thanks for the explaination BEHRAMJEE.Still its not right for the passangers on the last min to do that and they still have the web site claiming t
30 Jm017 : There has got to be a better way to do this than a stop in MAN. Maybe a strict policy forbidding stand-by passengers, earlier check-ins (say 4 hours)
31 Heathrow : Is this also an issue with Air India? I know they do their JFK run via LHR, and they do their YYZ run via BHX.
32 Boysteve : Why is it safe for a direct Pakistan-UK flight to operate but not a direct Pakistan-USA. I don't understand
33 Post contains images Heathrow : one word. Bush
34 Jm017 : Only Homeland Security knows the answer to that one...[Edited 2006-04-12 01:52:36]
35 Planetime : IS there a timeline which PIA is working on in order to bring back nonstop service back to New York? seems to me a big embarassment for PIA to do this
36 Post contains images Subkk : AI dont operate the because they dont have aircraft with the range. Plus AI believe in operating a shuttle service that connects atleast 6 destinatio
37 Flying Belgian : AFAIK, Kenya Airways had the same trouble. They wanted to to open a direct NBO-MIA route but they are still denied the access to the US due to securit
38 Behramjee : Just to let you guys get to update...a PIA B 742 Combi bound for Houston from KHI via ISB and MAN took off from KHI landed in ISB and over there the D
39 Post contains links Behramjee : The link to the article is : http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/apr2006-daily/10-04-2006/metro/k15.htm The Drug Enforcement Cell (DEC) of Pakistan Customs
40 Post contains images Jacobin777 : at least it was found by PK and the Pakistani Govt. (DEC)...
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