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Miami Barrel Roll?  
User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2692 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3002 times:

I have a friend who's wife was on a flight from Barbados to Miami about 10-15 years when on approach the plane got trapped in some jet wash from a plane in front and according to my friend, either did a barrel roll, or partial barrel roll, of pretty serious dive.

Does anyone remember anything about this?

I have never heard of an airline doing a barrel roll and surviving except for the 707 flight test so I just assumed it was some pretty bad turbulence, but I am curious because whatever happened it made her deathly afraid of flying again.

He believes it was AA but it may not have been Miami.

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User currently offlineFLALEFTY From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 446 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2915 times:

Back about a decade or so ago, maybe longer, I remember hearing about a Comair E-120 Brasilia flying from Nassau to MCO encountering unexpected icing and experiencing severe dutch rolls trying to recover control. The plane landed safely at MCO, and other than the flight attendant suffering some bumps and bruises, everyone came out of it ok.

User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2692 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2899 times:

Quoting FLALEFTY (Reply 1):
experiencing severe dutch rolls trying to recover control

What are Dutch Rolls?


User currently offlineAAFLT1871 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2333 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2829 times:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_roll

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Where did everybody go?
User currently offlineCF6ppe From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 346 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2810 times:

Could your friend have been thinking about a AirFlorida Lockheed L-188 Electra that executed a non approved manuver when one of the aircrafts propellers went to beta pitch...??

Timeframe for the above event would have been in the early '80's.


User currently offlinePgv From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2795 times:

Quoting United787 (Thread starter):
I have never heard of an airline doing a barrel roll and surviving except for the 707 flight test

Hapag-Lloyd's training school was known to have instructors that would often demonstrate how to roll a 727...which is a trick to do with a T-tail.



"To hell with a Ferrari...give me a Super 70!"
User currently offlineLH463 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 68 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2775 times:

The check pilot I had for my PPL said that he knew a pilot who got caught in some wake turbulence on approach to LAX, and that the pilot let the aircraft barrel roll inorder not to exceed the CG limits. "He didn't fight it, he went with the flow". I believe it was a Learjet 45.

Regards,
LH463



Turning final...
User currently offlineLuisca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2711 times:

Quoting LH463 (Reply 6):
The check pilot I had for my PPL said that he knew a pilot who got caught in some wake turbulence on approach to LAX, and that the pilot let the aircraft barrel roll inorder not to exceed the CG limits. "He didn't fight it, he went with the flow". I believe it was a Learjet 45

My aviation safety professor recommended the same thing, his exact words were, you are probably going to die anyway so at least have some fun while you are at it.

And it is not about not exceeding the CG limits, it is about not exceeding the ultimate load, apparently you are very likely to break up the airplane if you fight a sever wake turbulence, but if you go with it you might make it.


User currently offlineLH463 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 68 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2650 times:

Quoting Luisca (Reply 7):
not to exceed the CG limits

Sorry... Luisca is right it's not the CG limits, it's the load factor.



Turning final...
User currently offlineSlarty From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 342 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2568 times:

Quoting AAFLT1871 (Reply 3):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_roll

The cabin crew reported the aircraft interior was like a Dutch Oven after the manoeuvre.  Wink


User currently offlineCrownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1865 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2418 times:

There was a video of what I think was a TAROM A310 landing in Europe about 15 years ago performing an "un-scheduled" roll with passengers and landed safely!

User currently offlineJorge1812 From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 3149 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2237 times:

Quoting Pgv (Reply 5):
Hapag-Lloyd's training school was known to have instructors that would often demonstrate how to roll a 727...which is a trick to do with a T-tail.

Have they done it or just demonstrated with a model?

Georg


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