MrMcCoy From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 377 posts, RR: 1 Posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3664 times:
I was pretty sure there were other threads in the past that have been created along these lines, but 10 minutes of searching and I didn't turn up one. If you find some, please post away and I'll happily close the thread.
My wife is deathly afraid of flying.. kind of ironic for me considering my vocation. However, I was wondering if any of you are aware of any remaining "hands on" fear of flying courses that actually take place in a mockup or real airframe.
There's a plethora of do-it-yourself videos and kits online, but I suspect my wife would do much better with a hands-on course. Any suggestions?
It only takes five years to go from rumor to standard operating procedure.
Alaskaqantas From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 908 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3647 times:
Sorry, haven't heard of any... but I would suggest getting some statistics out and show her what ever airline your going to fly on that it hasn't had a crash in ages, or on the aircraft your flying on, just a tip.
hope you find a solution, because if she's missing out on flying she's missing out on a whole other world!!!
to some people the sky is the limit, to aviation enthusiasts, its home!
MrMcCoy From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 377 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3647 times:
Stats do nothing for this lady, and it's the one thing each of us alreayd knows on these boards! She's a smart lady and admits that while I'm smart with this particular category, she'd like to hear it from someone *other* than her hubby.
Terrific lady, who can blame her?
It only takes five years to go from rumor to standard operating procedure.
JetBlueAUS From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1145 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3635 times:
There was a thread about it, but I can't find it.
Personally, I think people feel more safe behind the wheel because 'they' are driving and have their life in their hands. In order to fly, you have to trust the pilot, who is flying the plane, and you feel insecure because you have to trust him or her with your life in their hands.
You are most likely going to crash in a car than on an airplane. Think about how many safe takeoffs/landings there are and then think of all the car accidents. A car/plane comparison isn't needed because a plane experiences more then a car ever will, if I was travelling a long ways, flying has always been my choice.
Not all of us can be heroes, some of us can only stand on the sidewalk and clap as they go by.
LordHowe From Finland, joined Jan 2003, 728 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3615 times:
I hope you will find a course soon - it really helps!
As I mentioned before I've been there and I know what I'm talking about. My course - more than 15 years ago - was only over one weekend and it was organized by Finnair. There were several people who hadn't flown for a great number of years. But they were all with us on Sunday evening on a flight from HEL to CPH. And they all came back also. We had a meeting after six months and each and everyone of us had flown after the course also.
AYs web page tells about fear of flying:
"Fear of flying (flight phobia) is very common, it has been estimated that 7% of human population will not voluntarily travel by air, and 20% of all travellers suffer to some degree from fear of flying.
Most typical symptoms are anxiety, sweating, heart palpitation, trembling, irritability, unable to concentrate and sleep disturbances before travel.
Fear of flying is not an illness but an "unconscious" reaction of our body to an unnatural situation. There are many reasons, in some cases the feeling of not being able to control the situation causes the problem, sometimes a previous unpleasant flight experience may be in memory. Some people panic in a closed location.
Flight phobia is a learned reaction. Re-learning and accustoming our mental state to the unfamiliar will relieve us from the fear. Special courses are available, more information can be requested directly from the airlines."
Believe me - the real kind of course really helps!
I hope to you and your wife many happy flights together!
3MilesToWRO From Poland, joined Mar 2006, 287 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3604 times:
Quoting KiwiinOz (Reply 3): I'm pretty sure Qantas still run a course, but that's probably no help to you.
Why, this is just what he needs Fly to Australia over thousands of miles of sea to take lessons there's no reason to be afraid of flying, while still having in mind you have to fly those thousands of miles back
Toulouse From Switzerland, joined Apr 2005, 2762 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3503 times:
After our certain disagreements on the thread about lap children (yet I think we catually mostly agreed without realising) I feel compelled to respond to you here as I do feel for your wife.
Firstly, I know most major airlines here in Europe offer courses against the fear of flying which usually include a real flight, but I don't know the availability of this in the US.
I feel for her as I went through about 4 years of total terror while flying after a couple of incidents (one involving my parents and one I was involved in).As a lover of aviation, before feeling this fear I never totally understood what people felt when afraid of flying until I suffered it, and I can tell you it is one of the worst experiences anybody can have.
Get your wife to talk to her GP or even a psychologist. Fear of flying is actually often a form of claustophobia or is simply where an underlying problem with anxiety arises (as the passenger is forced into it and has no way out). I think this was my case, without really realising I ahd an anxiety problem, the incidents on the flights and the subsequent fear of flying brought an underlying panic/anxiety problem to head, which has since been 98% successfully treated (regarding flying, I started to realise I wasn't actually really afraid of flying which is what I thought, but I ws actually claustophobic and afraid of having some sort of panic attack on a plane). I went to a psychologist a few times, and was prescribed Xanax which worked wonders. But remember, drugs should only be prescribed under medical advice as perhaps your wife's fear is different.
Feel free to send me a private message for further info.
One thing which may make her feel good, I remember once watching a TV programme on the fear of flying while living in Spain with a large table of medical and aviation experts, and I clearly remember them saying that people with a fear of flying are usually more intelligent than people who don't have a fear (this obviously excludes professionals within the business, such as pilots!). So just tell your lady she's too intelligent.
But seriously, feel free to contact me if I can be of any further help to you/her.
RobTrent From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3441 times:
A relative of mine used aviatours UK and she is fine with flying now. It may be worth a call as BCAl has said. They may be able to recommend a company across the pond.
After she had done a few small trips, mainly to Frankfurt and Malaga, I treated her to a trip to JFK on concorde for her 50th birthday, which she enjoyed loads. She has no problem with flying now and even wants to visit Australia to vist another aunt.
Agree entirely that that should be the first step. One thing about GPs, whatever problem you ask them about, it's never the first time they've encountered it! He/she will almost certainly be able to advise on the best solution.
Hope it sorts itself out, MrMcCoy - rotten problem to have, no-one who hasn't got a phobia like that can know how 'real' it is.
"Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards.." - Leonardo da Vinci
Zkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 5269 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3423 times:
Blindfold her, with headphones on, take her to a GA airfield and get somebody to take her up in an aerobatics plane... they can do all sorts of freaky stuff, the plane doesn't crash and she gets over it by "jumping in the deep end" ..of course it maybe you that is "jumping in" ...not in the deep end but "jumping into a lawyers office for a divorce!" ... so disregard all that
MarkHKG From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 960 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3311 times:
This may be a totally bizarre question, but is emergency procedures ever taught in a Fear of Flying Course? (i.e. Information regarding the seat-belts, life-vests, emergency exit/slides, oxygen masks)? On one hand, I can imagine such a topic scaring the cr*p out of the student, but on the other hand, some may find such training reassuring so they know what to do...
Release your seat-belts and get out! Leave everything!