DeltaL1011man From United States, joined Sep 2005, 5037 posts, RR: 3 Posted (3 years 7 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 14911 times:
i was comeing home (i live in ATL) and i saw a pan am 727 at D gates i was like ok chater then i saw a pan am bill bored on the interstate (I-85 south)
is PA back or what?
MSYtristar From United States, joined Aug 2005, 5426 posts, RR: 55 Reply 2, posted (3 years 7 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 14765 times:
Quoting EMBQA (Reply 1): Their web site shows new, added service to ATL.
Nonstops to Cancun, Orlando/Sanford, and Tunica.
Still good to see the blue meatball livery in the air even though the company that owns it (Pan Am Systems, formerly Guilford Transportation) has done a good job over the past few years in tarnishing the name.
UA's 744 Y-class seat is more comfortable than DL's new 77L Y-class seat.
Steeler83 From United States, joined Feb 2006, 7306 posts, RR: 19 Reply 3, posted (3 years 7 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 14744 times:
Quoting EMBQA (Reply 1): Back what...? Pan Am III has been flying for 6-8 years or so, or back to ATL...? Their web site shows new, added service to ATL.
I remember seeing a PA 727 at PIT about 6 years back in 2000 one time myself. What happened to Pan Am II? And besides the 727, what other aircraft are they using, or is this the only one for now?
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Jetpixx From United States, joined Jul 2004, 765 posts, RR: 2 Reply 5, posted (3 years 7 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 14473 times:
The Tunica airport website is really funny, as they are just thrilled to death about the new service. They had a press release about a 737 landing at UTA, the first one ever. It is interesting that DL has not thrown CRJ service to ATL or NW from MEM with the SF3. Surely they could fill some RJs if PA can use a 727 on the service.
SCEagle From United States, joined Oct 2005, 136 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (3 years 7 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 14303 times:
Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 2): Still good to see the blue meatball livery in the air even though the company that owns it (Pan Am Systems, formerly Guilford Transportation) has done a good job over the past few years in tarnishing the name.
I see comments like these from time to time. However, my ignorance of Pan Am (III), and having never flown them, leads me to this question.
What has Pan Am Systems done to tarnish the name of Pan Am?
F9Animal From United States, joined Dec 2004, 3385 posts, RR: 35 Reply 8, posted (3 years 7 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 14183 times:
Maybe B6 should change their name to Pan Am! Sure would be cool to see tons of PA aircraft in the air again! B6 would not have to do so much advertising then! Dang, no wonder I get applaud for such great ideas!
MSYtristar From United States, joined Aug 2005, 5426 posts, RR: 55 Reply 11, posted (3 years 7 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 13993 times:
Quoting SCEagle (Reply 7): What has Pan Am Systems done to tarnish the name of Pan Am?
Well, over the past few years, this version of PA has entered and exited nearly two dozen various cities throughout the country. Somtimes they fly to a city for a few weeks and then leave with little notice. They pull out faster than a virgin at a porn shoot.
PA has so long been associated with "prestigious" routes and service that it is sad to see the logo flying around to all these small cities.
If I had the money, and in fact if I ever win the powerball, I would buy the PA logo from its current owner and put it to sleep for good. Too much history at stake.
UA's 744 Y-class seat is more comfortable than DL's new 77L Y-class seat.
Stirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 35 Reply 12, posted (3 years 7 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 13949 times:
Quoting F9Animal (Reply 8): Maybe B6 should change their name to Pan Am! Sure would be cool to see tons of PA aircraft in the air again! B6 would not have to do so much advertising then!
If that were true, people would have flocked to the previous incarnations of PA, but alas, they have not.
Truth is, the cache of PanAm is much stronger overseas...Even at the peak, PA only served maybe a dozen US cities, and as we all know, nothing domestically. And when when they could fly domestically, it was an abomination.
However.
Overseas, PanAm was known as the bridge to America. One of the most recognized brand images in the world if I'm not mistaken. PanAm WAS the USA.
But at the end, PA was not a good airline. jetBlue is just fine being jetBlue. The only people the name matters to can be found here on A.net.
Just as important as a first impression is the last impression, unfortunately, as much as I love everything PA represented, they didn't go out gracefully.
The resurrection has made it virtually impossible for PA to EVER regain ANY of its status in the aviation world.
Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 9): The only way PA will truly be "back" is when this occurs.
But not before, and certainly not by flying from Atlanta to a cotton field. Alright, former cotton field.
But how I wouldn't love seeing a 777-300ER in PA colours taking to the skies.
That would genuinely MAKE MY DAY!
Legacytravel From United States, joined Aug 2005, 850 posts, RR: 3 Reply 14, posted (3 years 7 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 12957 times:
Pan AM will never be back flying to these small cities. It is a shame to see a great and storied name go into the crapper like it has now. I remember seeing the orginal Pan Am and dreaming of flying all over the world in luxury.
Mark in MKE
Heathrow From United Kingdom (England), joined Sep 2005, 546 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (3 years 7 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 12418 times:
They are vastly growing. They are starting a new service to IAD soon. It is part of the charter company Boston-Maine airways as Pan am Clipper connection
QANTASLINK From Australia, joined Dec 2004, 14 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (3 years 7 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 12376 times:
PanAm under Timothy Mellon CEO Guilford Transportation, I believe he graduated at the top of his class at The Francisco Lorenzo School of Labour Relations. Two really good men to have at the helm. UGH !!!!
Cs03 From United States, joined Oct 2003, 392 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (3 years 7 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 12376 times:
I hate to see the Pan Am trademark on freight railroad cars, but they did buy the name and logo, and until a company (or person) buys it back, memories of the PAN AM logo as it was will be just that:memories!
Steeler83 From United States, joined Feb 2006, 7306 posts, RR: 19 Reply 19, posted (3 years 7 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 11658 times:
Quoting Heathrow (Reply 16): They are vastly growing. They are starting a new service to IAD soon. It is part of the charter company Boston-Maine airways as Pan am Clipper connection
Wasn't there a thread about them before, and something about them coming back to PIT? What happened there, did they throw in the towel because of B6 coming to town? oh... my... God, I am so... depressed... ouch... oh, woe is me...
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9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 900 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (3 years 7 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 11426 times:
The only memory I have of the real PA,was from watching a B747 above the city on approach to JNB so many years ago. It really is sad to see a good name trashed and prostituted.
Petmbro From United States, joined Jan 2006, 260 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (3 years 7 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 11289 times:
Was Pan Am II as bad as III? From what I've read it seems they weren't that bad until they bought Carnival, which then sent them spiralling downward like the first. If you're gonna use the Pan Am name (which I think should be put to bed) then you should atleast fly to cities people actually want to fly to and provide top customer service. Its a really sad sight when an airline that once dominated the globe with beautiful 747s and represented the United States when it came to international travel now flies junk 727's between second-rate cities. Pan Am, the airline that once held the envied routes in the Pacific and LHR rights, now only flies Portsmouth-Bedford-Trenton and Tunica-Atlanta-Orlando(Sanford)-Puerto Rico. What a molestation of a name!
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Airwave From United States, joined Mar 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 15 Reply 24, posted (3 years 7 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 10852 times:
As long as no half-a$$ed version of PA tries to come back to ABE, I'll be happy. I was glad to see them leave us almost as soon as they came, though I will admit that it was nice to see the livery live--not something I'd probably ever have been able to see otherwise.
Quoting Cs03 (Reply 18): I hate to see the Pan Am trademark on freight railroad cars, but they did buy the name and logo, and until a company (or person) buys it back, memories of the PAN AM logo as it was will be just that:memories!
Or on pretty women's purses.
Quoting CX747 (Reply 23): I agree that the only way Pan Am will ever be "back" is if it regains the former glory. All for a Pan Am 777 say heck ya!
That would be gorgeous. But personally, I still love this one:
Airwave
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Flyguy595 From United States, joined Nov 2005, 54 posts, RR: 0 Reply 25, posted (3 years 7 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 10749 times:
Im not for putting good names to bed resurect the past is what I say. Its unfortunate that apparently its not a great operation, but if it was and could grow back that would be amazing. Same thing happened with Frontier when it died it came back and now is doing great. I wish Eastern would come back. I would rather see these classic airliners come back a third or fourth time rather than see crap like hooters air (although I admit its entertaining).
26 Jetdeltamsy: PanAm II lasted just over two years.
27 WesternA318: And the 737-400's didn't come until the Carnival purchase along with a fistful of 727's. Marty Shugrue had a good idea, very sad it didnt work. Would
28 Kkfla737: No. If for no other reason because they flew to Pan Am cities and flew Pan Am routes, at least domestically. Miami to JFK, Miami to LAX, JFK to LAX,
30 Pawsleykat: I sure as hell would like to see PanAm back. I remember when I was like 3 or something, I flew with PanAm on my very first trip to the States. I don't
31 Ikramerica: not sure the point in an A330-200, as it would look a lot like the A300s, but I'd love to see a modified A380 in Pan Am livery. It just seems to make
33 Brian_ga: WOW that A380 wearing PanAm colours looks great....too bad it's not real Brian_ga
34 GSM763: Why do Pan Am III insist on using the late 80s-Early 90s livery surely if the original Pan Am still existed it would have been changed by now.
35 RiddlePilot215: Probably not. That billboard livery is the most iconic and memorable scheme, one instantly recognized around the world. If you find Pan Am's scheme o
36 C133: How about American's bare metal finish being from the thirties! The stripes changed over the years, but the bare aluminum hasn't.
37 INTENSS: Because Guilford knows its the only thing this incarnation of Pan Am has in common with the original. -Rich
38 INTENSS: I had actually read somewhere a while back that Neelman was looking at picking up the Pan Am name but Shugrue/team beat him to it. By the time it was
39 Kkfla737: I believe Shurgue was originally going to use the Eastern name and then changed it to Pan Am when that tested with more favorable recognition. (Easte
40 RiddlePilot215: Yeah, it's just that one got shafted by Frank Lorenzo, and his "friendly" way of doing business, and the other one had been seeing it's profits and o
41 Aogdesk: Where do people come up with this stuff?? Great chuckle.
42 USADreamliner: Pan Am was gone 15 years ago... This is just an airline using the name and logo, that's all. They should leave the glorious name Pan Am and the blue g
44 USPIT10L: When Pan Am III stops flying into holes-in-the-wall with no intention of starting and running a consistent service, and actually builds a viable, stab
45 ChrisNH: I don't think I could have said it more accurately. For a few bucks, the current holders of the Pan Am logo and trademark have put it to shame. Absol
46 AirEMS: The Pan AM 777 is hot but for me a Pan AM 753 with winglets would have me pitching more tent than a boy scout.... HA! Fly & Work Safe -Carl
47 MSYtristar: I think we should print out this thread and mail it to the Guilford folks.
48 MSYtristar: Perhaps the owners are ignorant enough to presume that what they are doing isn't a bad thing. Morons.
49 FlyerBoyEK: I'll bet the interiors of their planes are no better than a railroad boxcar...
50 ILSApproach: We had a Clipper fly in a charter in March for the women's NCAA Frozen Four, guess it was for NH womens team. BFD-MSP-BFD. Very nice to see PA back he
51 Air1727: PAA L-1011s were scheduled into MSP around 1984 or so I believe...
53 Steeler83: I like seeing the Pan Am livery and logo back in the air, but if it's due to plagiarism... That IS wrong... Isn't there something about Sunworld airli
54 NorthstarBoy: it is sad to see one of the greatest names in aviation bastardized that way, but then some people clearly dont understand the concept of heritage, the
55 Gooner: never forget Pan Am flew the first 747 into LHR now that is one hell of a memory
56 Hiflyer: Just remember that when UAL buys the DAL estate it will have effectively put Pan Am 1 back together. now isn't that wishcasting!!! grin
57 USPIT10L: Western was run by a railroad man, so is DL now. I'm surprised the FAA hasn't fined them and/or revoked their certificate. At least we have DL's stro
58 Steeler83: Now that would be one hell of a wish come true
59 Toxtethogrady: "i was comeing home (i live in ATL) and i saw a pan am 727 at D gates i was like ok chater then i saw a pan am bill bored on the interstate (I-85 sout
60 Steeler83: ... Uh-huh... yeah I think they be back as well if this be the case...
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