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KLM To Replace MD-11 By 777  
User currently offlineVASI From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 192 posts, RR: 0
Posted (15 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4467 times:

I heard that KLM has ordered up to 31 B 777`s. Is that true? What a pitty, as I`m a MD-11 enthusiast.

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User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4809 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (15 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4276 times:

Not true as far as I can see it. Haven't seen an announcement in the news in the Netherlands about KLM ordering anything. Also nothing on the dutch-spotter website and on Yahoo finance.

Laurens Janssen

User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (15 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4187 times:

I haven't heard anything about such an order, but they might replace both the B742 and the MD-11 with B777s in the near future.
But 31 sounds quite high...


User currently offlineTWA717_200 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (15 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4144 times:

I would have thought that KLM would be so pissed at Boeing after they cancelled the MD-11 that they would avoid them all together. If they DO buy the 777, I'll consider us (Boeing fans) lucky!

User currently offlinePandora From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (15 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4131 times:

according to surf.to/orders web site, KLM is rumoured to look at 777Xs and A340-600s, however, A346 has the lead.

User currently offlineGtarrowhead From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (15 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4073 times:

i dont see why KLM should replace their MD-11s. they have great range capability and i think they will last longer.


User currently offlineTEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (15 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3991 times:

I can see KLM ordering the RR Trent 500 powered A340-600 over the GE90 powered 777X if they are to merge with BA which has a large fleet of RR powered aircraft.

User currently offlineMikeymike From United States of America, joined May 2000, 406 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (15 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3972 times:

Hey Tedski, I don't necessarily think thats a good statement...I doubt KLM would purchase Airbus widebody aircraft just to match Enginer commonality with BA (if they merged that is)......BA operates all Boeing Wide bodies so its much more economical to make common the airframe rather than the engine....

my two cents...

User currently offlineVw From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 257 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (15 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3951 times:

In June I flew from MSP-AMS on a KLM 747-200 SUD, PH-BUT. I went up to the flight deck for 45 min. During my talk with the crew one of my questions was how many hours was on the 19 year old plane. He looked in the log book and told me 97,000 hours. Then I asked him what KLM was looking at to replace the 742 and 743. He said that the 777 is what they are looking at to replace them plus the MD-11. He said that he has flown the MD-11 in the past and that it was a mistake for KLM to buy them in the begining. He told me that the flight deck is diorganized and the plane does not fit KLM's route system.


User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2855 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (15 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3938 times:

Actually, Tedski, it makes MORE sense for KLM to buy the GE-powered 777s, even with the merger:

1) KLM's entire fleet is strictly GE, plus the 50% GE CFM56.

2) BA has orders for 45 777s, and 0 A340s. Included in that 45, is 29 GE 90 aircraft, with no plans to get rid of them.

3) This order will be used to replace both the 747 'Classics' and the MD-11s. That means it will be a combination of 772ER/773LR or A343/346. Only with the Boeing's will you get a common engine, let alone the same manufacturer. With the Airbus', you'd have both the CFM56-5C4s on the -300s and the Trent 556s on the -600s.



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User currently offlineWingman From Seychelles, joined May 1999, 2884 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (15 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3925 times:

From a close friend who flies as an F/O on the MD-11, KLM is not a happy place right now and the airline is seriously lacking funds for a major purchase. No word on aircraft preference has reached him or any Captain he's flown with. They must talk about this quite a bit on those dreary 10-12 hour flights.

FYI-While I still consider being a pilot very glamorous and "cool", he assures me it is just the opposite. Aside from take offs and landings, all he claims to do is perform routine checklists, stare at video monitors and think about how underpaid he is. Kinda reminds me of that CVR transcript from the AA 757 that went down in Columbia. Anyway, just an amusing tidbit I thought I'd share. I always ask him a million questions when he's in SFO (not lately due to equipment change) and he refuses to talk about it. Just like I refuse to discuss Financial Services I guess. We still have loose broads and cold lagers in common though. No offense I hope.

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