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JetBlue JFK-IAD . . . When?  
User currently offlineJFKLGANYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3379 posts, RR: 5
Posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2942 times:

When is JFK-IAD going to happen on JetBlue?

I think it's the only city in the network not connected to JFK.

After FlyI pulled their 16 flights a day out of the market, I would have thought JetBlue would have stepped in with 4 or 5 flights a day. UAL Express is the only one in the market now . . . so what gives?

Also, before we start posting, I know this isn't a shuttle route. It is the wrong airport in DC and the wrong airport in NY. But there is a market. So let's not compare it to LGA-DCA shuttle routes. That's talking apples and oranges.

PJ

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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6756 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2941 times:

Doesn't B6 do a IAD-BOS shuttle run? so why couldn't they do a IAD-JFK shuttle run? Seems like an opportunity to me


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User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12888 posts, RR: 100
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2885 times:
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IAD-JFK is definately a hole in the B6 network. By allowing connections, this would stimulate IAD demand. Thus making it easier for B6 to launch other routes from IAD. Due to gate constraints at JFK, B6 needs to keep ahead of the game and assure that they have other markets "seeded" for point to point.

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User currently offlineFA4B6 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2879 times:

I think B6 is waiting for JFK-DCA, personally. I dont think that JFK-IAD is that important to B6 right now.

DJ


User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3508 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2879 times:

Bad mistake. E90 were supposed to be used on local markets with no or little competition where fares were very high aka BUF-BOS.

By putting them on oversaturated shuttle routes JetBlue continues to flaw their business model. 86% LF is making losses for them now. Classic overexpansion case?


User currently offlineCRGsFuture From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 536 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2854 times:

I think though the IAD(DCA)-JFK(LGA) market is a tough one to tread, and one I'd be weary about. Remember you have to compete with the shuttles who have better and faster connections to downtown DC, and a closer airport to New York City. You have to deal with the always problematic Northeast Corridor that is home to Acela and Metroliner. And finally you have to deal with UA and their monopoly at IAD for their international connections.

I'd rather see them expand out of IAD before we can see a JFK-IAD route as it allows more connecting options.



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User currently offlineFreakyDeaky From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 129 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2756 times:

I wouldn't be surprised to see this route when they get the new 7-gate temporary terminal up and running in June or whenever it's supposed to be.

On the other hand, I also wouldn't be surprised if they have more choice routes that don't include IAD. It's really hard to say what the demand would be - but I do think that it would open up some connection possibilities in JFK for IAD passengers.

I'm thinking we have to wait and see what the long-range plans for IAD are. I keep expecting some sort of formal announcement about this any day now......



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User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2873 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2690 times:

I don't see this happening. I would much rather see an expansion at IAD for the cities that they don't fly to yet. It is a short flight with high delay potentials IMO.


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User currently offlineFA4B6 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2534 times:

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 7):
I don't see this happening. I would much rather see an expansion at IAD for the cities that they don't fly to yet. It is a short flight with high delay potentials IMO.

I agree. I'd love to see IAD-BUF, IAD-MCO, IAD-BTV ... I just dont think that IAD-JFK is all that important for us yet. They can connect in BOS to a lot of places we fly.

DJ


User currently offlineFreakyDeaky From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 129 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2504 times:

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 7):
I don't see this happening.



Quoting FA4B6 (Reply 8):
I just dont think that IAD-JFK is all that important for us yet.

I see your points and I agree to a certain extent. My only thought is that they don't seem to be announcing any IAD expansion plans so in light of that - a IAD-JFK makes sense. Hopefully, my point will soon be moot!!

Quoting FA4B6 (Reply 3):
I think B6 is waiting for JFK-DCA

I think this would be perfect. AE charges $400 for a RT frequently.



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User currently offlineJetBlueAtJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1687 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2452 times:

They should work on IAD to other cities like MCO, BUF, BTV, TPA, SJC, etc. I see JFK-IAD later on when they are back in the green.

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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9180 posts, RR: 18
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2317 times:

Quoting Danny (Reply 4):
Bad mistake. E90 were supposed to be used on local markets with no or little competition where fares were very high aka BUF-BOS.

Would PIT-BOS and JFK fall into this category??? US charges prices that are in the stratosphere on those routes...



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User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2669 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2296 times:

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Thread starter):
After FlyI pulled their 16 flights a day out of the market, I would have thought JetBlue would have stepped in with 4 or 5 flights a day.

For the umpteenth time, nobody needs to 'fill in' for DH- they left no void in almost any market. They only served to add capacity to a market that didn't need it.


User currently offlineInTheSky74 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2233 times:

I'd love to see JFK-IAD service - even if only 2 or 3 times a day. It definitely would help "connect the dots" for JetBlue.

Rob


User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2195 times:

IAD-BTV, BUF, MCO, TPA, SJC? Do we jetBlue to be another flyI? (with a somewhat lower CASM, arguably)


What now?
User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2166 times:

I agree, JFK-IAD is a route that JetBlue need not fly.......but the same things were said about JFK-BOS (no demand, not correct airport for most pax, etc) and that route seems to have worked out OK for JetBlue.

User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2873 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2063 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 15):
agree, JFK-IAD is a route that JetBlue need not fly.......but the same things were said about JFK-BOS (no demand, not correct airport for most pax, etc) and that route seems to have worked out OK for JetBlue.

Thanks for the support! Yeah, I think about JFK-BOS a lot. It has actually turned out better than I thought it was going to. But the on time performance is not good and I cannot see us adding another route right now that will jeopardize whatever on time performance we do have. I do think it is a route that could work, but I would much rather see us expand the IAD routes to Florida and possibly SJU, NAS, and other carribean destinations.



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