Lazyshaun From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 545 posts, RR: 0 Posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 9172 times:
Just adding up all the previous orders, e.g.IB, SAA, VS, and take off how many have been delivereed, how many are left for each of these airlines?
How many did QR order and how many are EK maybe ordering?
It's not always totally accurate, but it gives you a very good overview over every Airbus model.
If you check the A340-600 on the Airbus website (http://www.airbus.com/en/aircraftfamilies/a330a340/a340-600/), total orders and deliveries for the model were once listed there as well. But at least in my browser the box "Orders and Deliveries" on the left of the page is still there, but the figures are gone... Very strange...
Lazyshaun From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 545 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 9009 times:
Thanks for that link, Leftshoe. I always found it hard to find an up-to-date orders/deliveries page on Airbus's site.
According to them IB have 1 left, SAA have none left and VS have 10, which I beleive they ordered about 4 or 5 months ago, and Thai have 2 A340 left, but I don't know if they are -500 or -600??
I could not find any info about the number of A346 QR ordered, can someone update me?
As a summary Airbus have 11 left to deliver, excluding QR's order.
N328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6222 posts, RR: 3 Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8791 times:
Quoting Cruiser (Reply 3): Does that 11 include the 3 for Air Canada which are listed? If so, those are indefinately on hold (and will be cancelled).
They have been cancelled for over a year. Strange that they're not off the books yet.
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Cruiser From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 998 posts, RR: 8 Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8614 times:
Quoting Lazyshaun (Reply 4): Cruiser, yes it does. Did AC order a346? definatly not a345?
AC did order both the A345 ( x 2) and A346 ( x 3). There were some issues with the original order and Airbus put the order on hold indefinately. I cannot remember or find the exact reasons for it happening, but AC is able to cancel these planes without any penalty.
Quoting N328KF (Reply 5):
They have been cancelled for over a year. Strange that they're not off the books yet.
Some believe that they will remain on the books until the 777's actually begin arriving. Don't plan on these ever getting built though!
James
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Thaiaggie From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 229 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8261 times:
PM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6715 posts, RR: 66 Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 2 days ago) and read 6478 times:
FlyPEGASUS
Thanks. My own figures are a little different. Going by published orders and commitments minus planes already built and flying, I get...
Emirates (18 x A346 + 2 to be leased from ILFC) (*)
Virgin Atlantic Airways (12 x A346)
Lufthansa (7 x A346)
Aerolineas Argentinas (6 x A346) (**)
Etihad Airways (3 x A345 + 4 A346)
4 Qatar Airways (4 x A346)
VIP (1 x A346)
Thai Airways International (2 x A345)
Iberia (1 x A346)
TOTAL : 4 A345 + 55 A346 = 59
(*) There's doubt over the status of all of these EK 'orders' and they've all been deferred in any case. There must be a question mark over whether any of these 20 (18? Fewer?) will ever be built.
(**) There must be still more doubt that these will ever be built.
I've written off the three Air Canada planes - whatever Airbus still have on their website.
Otherwise, it seems likely that all the others above will fly.
If they do - and if (IF!) there are NO MORE ORDERS for the A345 or A346 - the production run will be...
A345 Total 26
EK 10
SIA 5
Thai 4
Etihad 4
Air Canada 2
Qatar Government 1
A346 Total 87
VS 25
LH 17
SAA 9
IB 13
Thai 6
China Eastern 5
Etihad 4
Qatar 4
Cathay 3
VIP 1
An order from Qatar for another 20 or so would change things but that's far from guaranteed.
Otherwise, Airbus can pretty much bank on 113 A345/A346s flying but not necessarily any more.
N328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6222 posts, RR: 3 Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5456 times:
Compare that to 35 777-200LR orders and 189 777-300ER orders. You might, debatably, count 60 777-300 orders in there, too, since the A340-600 is the closest match to that airfame. Also, while not a passenger aircraft, there are 23 777 Freighter orders to help R&D amortization for the -200LR/-300ER.
[Edited 2006-04-12 16:02:04]
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AirbusA346 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 7434 posts, RR: 2 Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5396 times:
I can see this thread turning in to a A vs. B war.
Between the 777 & A345/6
Does it matter, who has more orders: 'No'
Tom.
Tom Walker '086' First Officer of a A318/A319 for Air Lambert - Hours Flown: 17 hour 05 minutes (last updated 24/12/05).
25 N328KF: I don't see how you can say that. It does matter because the weaker product is the one that will need to be replaced sooner. This isn't a P.C. kiddie
26 Lumberton: Hasn't Vijay Mallya of Kingfisher already said he's going to probably take some A340's?
27 PM: Balfour (sometime British Prime Minister) once said, "Nothing matters much and very few things matter at all." It's a great quote but everything hing
28 USADreamliner: That was on order made 6/7 years ago, when IB and AA controlled the Airline. They cancelled the order.On AR's website they show 744, 735 and A313 as
29 Thorben: Then I will say, without waving any flag, that people at Airbus noticed the sales figures as well and, since this is not a softball game, will look a
30 PlaneHunter: True, we will see more A340 sales in the future. But nobody should think enhanced versions will change the game. The A340 will always remain very hea
32 PlaneHunter: What do you mean then? A completely new airframe? Stretching the A350? PH
33 Thorben: No, just the current models (without the -200, of course.)
34 PlaneHunter: And how should the current models attract a number of new customers or significantly more sales than recently? You said Airbus would "look to change
35 Thorben: The things you simply do in business in order to sell better. Lower the price, offer additonal benefits (like paying the fuel difference to the 777)
36 Hamlet69: National Air Services. To answer the question, the current A340 backlog as of March 31st is as follows: -200 0 - no longer on offer -300 3 - Air Maur
37 Crewrest: Hamlet there's a few Virgin 600s in there too.
38 PlaneHunter: "Simply"? Airbus has most likely tried to push A340s sales with that policy for a longer time. Though, the B777 has been sold better than ever - with
39 Thorben: Proof? With three years backlog? Yes, EK switched from A340 to 777F. If they're interested in the A380, then one may offer them some A340s with it. T
40 Hamlet69: They do. However, the fact that the current 777 backlog is greater than the A330/340 backlog combined probably is a little worrisome to Airbus. Has t
41 PlaneHunter: There have been major order battles over the last months - do you seriously think that Airbus - well aware of having an inferior product - has not tr
42 Boeing767-300: No Thorben I think you will find that Emirates switched to 77W (26 ordered Paris 2003) after initially claiming that the 77W could not handle the hot
43 Thorben: Is it really bigger? Do you have numbers? Besides, with a backlog of around three years, would there be any sense in panic sales just to have a large
44 Hamlet69: A330 = 172 A340 = 72 777 = 271 I never said they were, and that wasn't the point I was making. The point was that, after 2 years of service, instead
45 PlaneHunter: Sure - if you just focus at the few freighters and totally ignore the pax versions. See above. So you actually suggest Airbus has to sell low-priced
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