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User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 8750 times:

Most nations' heads of government have their own private jets. The president of the US has the famous two 742's (when he's on them, they're Air Force One). China's President flies on a 763ER, etc. Britain's Prime Minister however doesn't have one. He flies on chartered Aircraft, sometimes privately chartered, but often he flies British, chatering one of their 777s. Why does he always fly British and never Virgin? Why always British? I've never understood this.


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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 8731 times:

Isn't BA the National Airline of UK.
The Indian PM too has no long ranger,so travels AI.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 8724 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 1):
Isn't BA the National Airline of UK.

As much as MyTravel is.



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User currently offlineFlyLondon From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8649 times:

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Thread starter):
Most nations' heads of government have their own private jets.

No they don't.

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Thread starter):
Britain's Prime Minister however doesn't have one. He flies on chartered Aircraft

Then why were the papers going ape this morning over his reportedly overusing the BAE146 meant for the Queen?


User currently offlineLeezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4042 posts, RR: 53
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8629 times:

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Thread starter):
Why does he always fly British and never Virgin? Why always British? I've never understood this

Because VS just don't have enough a/c in the fleet to do this. Don't forget VS only has just over 30 a/c in the whole fleet. BA has more 777's than that !!.

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User currently offlineCayMan From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 905 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8629 times:

Quoting FlyLondon (Reply 3):
Quoting FlyDreamliner (Thread starter):
Most nations' heads of government have their own private jets.

No they don't.

I think in fact most major nations do. Virtually all countries in latin America do, as do of course US, Canada, most European countries and I would assume the bulk of Asia and Africa.

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 1):
The Indian PM too has no long ranger,so travels AI.

Correct me if I am wrong but if memory serves the Indian AF recently picked up a BBJ or something like that intended for the PM's travels.


User currently offlineCruiser From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1001 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8563 times:

I seem to remember reading that there was a little bit of bad blood between VS and the British Government when VS first started up as an airline. I suspect that this would also have a bearing on it.

Someone please correct me if I am wrong, because I read the SRB book over 5 years ago.

James



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User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4938 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8563 times:

Quoting FlyLondon (Reply 3):
Then why were the papers going ape this morning over his reportedly overusing the BAE146 meant for the Queen?

I believe most of the criticism was directed at the Environment Minister. There was a post that he stopped using the 146 in 2000. Please see other thread. www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/2715140/

Quoting CayMan (Reply 5):

I think in fact most major nations do. Virtually all countries in latin America do, as do of course US, Canada, most European countries and I would assume the bulk of Asia and Africa.

The bulk of Asia and Africa are poor, so only the remainder might qualify. As for the major nations and Latin America, I think the popular sentiments there are more receptive to such perks of office or position, in contrast with the Britishers dim view of such privileges. And just in case they change their minds, there's a nice BBJ here currently available.

Quoting CayMan (Reply 5):
or something like that intended for the PM's travels.

Wasn't it three, for the other VIPs as well?

[Edited 2006-04-12 23:37:28]


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User currently offlineMutu From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 538 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8534 times:

Quoting Cruiser (Reply 6):
I seem to remember reading that there was a little bit of bad blood between VS and the British Government when VS first started up as an airline. I suspect that this would also have a bearing on it.

Someone please correct me if I am wrong, because I read the SRB book over 5 years ago.

Nonesense I am afraid. The government of the time (under Thatcher) encouraged the creation of a second long haul carrier for the UK. If there was any falling out I am sure it would have long since been resolved.

The actual answer is simply the operators ability to release fleet. On shorthaul the PM has used various charter airlines, but typically as the criticism suggests, something out of the Queens Flight (to avoid confusion not actually hers, just the name given to the fleet which is available to the Head of State and senior politicians travelling on shorthaul business trips). On long haul there is only some tired Tristars and VC10 (this has been used by the PM but its a gas guzzler and dirty so not consistent with his save the planet rhetoric).

The second reason often given is that he travels representing Britain and so turning up on a jet with the word BRITISH in 8 ft tall letters is as close as it gets in the absence of a government plane

There is no real other reason


User currently offlineJamesbuk From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 3968 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8505 times:

Quoting Mutu (Reply 8):
The second reason often given is that he travels representing Britain and so turning up on a jet with the word BRITISH in 8 ft tall letters is as close as it gets in the absence of a government plane

also most people regard BA as the british official airline so its just makes sense and you can just imagine the pics of him standing there on a jetstairway with the giant words VIRGIN above him!!


Rgds --James--

[Edited 2006-04-12 23:51:08]


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User currently offlineMutu From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 538 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8498 times:

Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 9):
also most people regard BA as the british official airline so its just makes sense and you can just imagine the pics of jim standing there on a jetstairway with the giant words VIRGIN above him!!

Good spot, and despite the saturation of the Virgin brand there are places in the world where it means nothing and as you (tongue in cheek ) point out, there would be no trip to Saudi Arabia on a Virgin jet for political sensibilities!!


User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8411 times:

Quoting FlyLondon (Reply 3):
Quoting FlyDreamliner (Thread starter):
Most nations' heads of government have their own private jets.

No they don't.

If I can clarify then, nearly every single first world or industrialized nation's heads of government does.

for instance

Canada's prime minister has an Airbus A310
Australia's Aiforce has a fleet of 737s and 707s from executive transport
Columbia's president has a 737-700BBJ
Brazil's President has a KC-137 (Boeing 707)
France has a fleet of Dassault Falcon 900s and Airbus A319s for executive transit.
Japan has two 747-400s for executive/royal transport
The Netherlands has a Fokker 70
China has a 747-400, 767-300ER, and a 737-800 for the premier/president and other officials
Switzerland keeps a Dassault 50 and a Learjet for executive transport
Germany has 2 Airbus A310's.

This is just what I could find in 5 minutes using google.

Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 9):
also most people regard BA as the british official airline so its just makes sense and you can just imagine the pics of him standing there on a jetstairway with the giant words VIRGIN above him!!

Yes, I suppose, I suppose. It's just in my mind, VS is the premier British carrier. While "American" would be the airline you'd think of if the US president were to charter a plane, Continental in my opinion, is a far more prestigious line, even if it isn't "THE American carrier".

A few other examples I could think of where the state owns an airline, and it provides the aircraft......like Saudi Arabian.



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User currently offlineDavidT From Switzerland, joined Oct 2005, 477 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8410 times:

While some people to insist on the contrary it's generally accepted BA is the national carrier for the UK especially given the history of the carrier.

VS's operation also compared to BA's is very small and so they're unlikely to be able to cope with an ac going out of service for a while.

While many people don't like the idea I'd quite like to see Blair Force One actually. Perhaps a 787. That'd do nicely Big grin


User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8349 times:

Quoting DavidT (Reply 12):
While many people don't like the idea I'd quite like to see Blair Force One actually. Perhaps a 787. That'd do nicely

I agree completely. I was amazed that the British Prime minister did not have one. It's a huge matter of national prestige. Nearly everyone in the US knows Air Force One.

Which brings up, the US pres' Air Force One is getting old... another 10-15 years, it'll be due to be replaced. I'm wondering if they'll wait for Y3, or just get a 748 (extremely heavily modified)... I saw a documentary once that said the Air Force 1 747-200 were more than 3 times as expensive as a normal 742.



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User currently offlineNetworkDoc From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 77 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8349 times:

Quoting Cruiser (Reply 6):
I seem to remember reading that there was a little bit of bad blood between VS and the British Government when VS first started up as an airline. I suspect that this would also have a bearing on it.

I think you mean the 'Dirty Tricks' campaign by BA against Virgin. That had nothing to do with the British Government.

Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 9):
you can just imagine the pics of him standing there on a jetstairway with the giant words VIRGIN above him!!

 laughing  Hilarious thought!!!!!!

....and never mind the painting of a virtually naked 'Virgin girl' on each VS fuselage! - That'd go down a treat at Tony's next Iran nuclear talks!  duck 



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User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8298 times:

Yeah, I think that's what you need. Blair needs to ride a Virgin jet out to Iran, and refuse to move it until they comply, Virgin girl and all. Hell, he can bring Sir Branson and his entorouge party from his carribbean island there too, that'll fix it.


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User currently offlineBCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8171 times:

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Thread starter):
Why does he always fly British and never Virgin? Why always British? I've never understood this.

Leezyjet did give an explanation in Reply 4 that VS does not have sufficient spare aircraft but there are two further reasons: First, Branson has a legendary reputation to be mercenary, so he would never willingly loan any of his aircraft unless there were clear financial benefits; secondly, Branson has never forgiven Mr and Mrs Blair for promising him that he could run the UK Lottery and then Blair's Government promptly giving the franchise to Camelot rather than Virgin.

Quoting Mutu (Reply 8):
The government of the time (under Thatcher) encouraged the creation of a second long haul carrier for the UK.

Not true. Whilst a review of UK Civil Aviation then recommended that there be a second-force airline to compete with BA, Thatcher's Government did not follow their recommedations. Thatcher's Government was responsible for the conversion of BA to plc status. Until then sale was completed, BA had to be protected at all costs against competition on their home ground and this is why the Thatcher Government refused to intervene in the Laker crisis, allowed British Caledonian to be absorbed into BA, and allowed independents like Dan-Air and Air Europe to fold. The original LGW Virgin operation was a mess and would have followed Dan-Air etc into extinction. However, in the 1990s (after BA's conversion) Bermuda II was renegotiated and in return for AA and UA being allowed to replace PanAm and TWA as the permitted US carriers between LHR and USA, a second British airline was permitted to fly alongside BA. Apart from BD, VS was the only airline that then could operate long-hauls.

[Edited 2006-04-13 11:17:58]


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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8152 times:

Quoting CayMan (Reply 5):
Correct me if I am wrong but if memory serves the Indian AF recently picked up a BBJ or something like that intended for the PM's travels.

Ordered not yet Delivered.The BBJs will replace the B732 from the Tom squadron.But no long rangers yet so the PM uses the B744s,One used + one on Standby from AI.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineDiesel1 From UK - Wales, joined Mar 2001, 1638 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 8094 times:

Quoting BCAL (Reply 16):
Branson has never forgiven Mr and Mrs Blair for promising him that he could run the UK Lottery and then Blair's Government promptly giving the franchise to Camelot rather than Virgin.

This is a statement that requires some clarification.

1) What has 'Mrs Blair' to do with it? Or is that simply a cheap shot at the PM?

2) The assertion that the lottery was going to be awarded to Virgin is incorrect. Branson's bid was part of 'The People's Lottery'.
He has stated there would have been no cashflow, nor brand 'halo' benefits for Virgin...

3) The award of the licence to run the lottery was awarded by the regulator OFLOT, not the government.
The challenge from Camelot following the award of it to 'The People's Lottery' resulted in the regulator resigning, and the license then being re-awarded to Camelot.

Quoting BCAL (Reply 16):
However, in the 1990s...a second British airline was permitted to fly alongside BA. Apart from BD, VS was the only airline that then could operate long-hauls

A small correction. At this point, afaik, BD did not have longhaul capability. This didn't occur until the A330s were delivered (though there is plenty of BD longhaul history prior to this).

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User currently offlineBCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8039 times:

Quoting Diesel1 (Reply 18):
This is a statement that requires some clarification.

1) What has 'Mrs Blair' to do with it? Or is that simply a cheap shot at the PM?

Clarifications are spot on, but the extent to which the government was pulling the strings at OFLOT, and why SRB would want to run the lottery for no personal gain are anybody's guess. As regards Mrs Blair, whilst I do not have the source at hand, IIRC it was mentioned in Tom Bowers' book on Branson that Cherie Blair had mentioned to SRB that she would see what they could do about his bid for the franchise.

Quoting Diesel1 (Reply 18):
A small correction. At this point, afaik, BD did not have longhaul capability

Sustained. IIRC VS only had a handful of second-hand 747s at that time.



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User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7693 posts, RR: 17
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 7877 times:

According to information recently provided under The Freedom of Information Act, Tony Blair has flown in an aircraft of 32 (The Royal) Squadron (that has become colloquially known as 'The Queen's Flight') a total of 677 times since he was elected Prime Minister.

However, despite its formal and unofficial names, 32 Squadron is primarily an operational RAF Squadron and its aircraft are only available for use by HM The Queen, the Prime Minister or other Government Ministers when the nine planes and three helicopters that make up 32 Squadron are not required for operational duties. (Three 32 Squadron BAe 125 aircraft have served in Iraq.)

All 32 Squadron planes are short range - BAe 125s and BAe 146s. So on long haul flights the PM usually leases an aircraft. Often this is a BA aircraft. However on a recent visit to South Africa the UK government leased a Swiss VIP DC-8. Unfortunately it went tech at JNB. So Blair returned to the UK on a scheduled BA flight.


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4841 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7857 times:

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 11):
Canada's prime minister has an Airbus A310
Australia's Aiforce has a fleet of 737s and 707s from executive transport
Columbia's president has a 737-700BBJ
Brazil's President has a KC-137 (Boeing 707)
France has a fleet of Dassault Falcon 900s and Airbus A319s for executive transit.
Japan has two 747-400s for executive/royal transport
The Netherlands has a Fokker 70
China has a 747-400, 767-300ER, and a 737-800 for the premier/president and other officials
Switzerland keeps a Dassault 50 and a Learjet for executive transport
Germany has 2 Airbus A310's.

add to that... New Zealand has two B757's but the PM often uses NZ and QF.

BA is the flag carrier of the UK so it makes sense to use their a/c.. it is expensive to have a/c set aside just for VIP's... In New Zealands case, it is used for other purposes too. The insides of the plane are quickly convertable (due to an oversize door on each a/c and quick remove seats) one day it'll be flying grunts in econony config, the next day PM and other ministers in premium config.



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User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13241 posts, RR: 77
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7695 times:

VV701 has the arrangement of VIP flights for UK government (discussed incredibly often on here, literally every few weeks), just right.

But VS is the national carrier, if there is such a thing, only in the heads of Branson (and those who foolishly hang on his every word).

VS are a highly capable airline and a sign of how strong the UK airline sector is.
But BA, as well as predecessor BOAC, have carried out VIP flights for many decades, have/had VIP interior kits for most long range types in the past when needed, even when using RAF aircraft was more common than it is now.

Also, no matter how good VS is operationally, which it is, any VIP charter would have Branson milking it for all it's worth, rather vulgar don't you think?


User currently offlineFinkenwerder From Germany, joined Apr 2005, 147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7687 times:

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 11):
f I can clarify then, nearly every single first world or industrialized nation's heads of government does.

The answers obvious...because we're third world..!


User currently offlineBaexecutive From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 757 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7682 times:

I personally am very proud of the fact that we do not have such a 'VIP' aircraft, it shows that our taxes can be used in other much more needed areas. Its a pity that the same couldn't be said about other countries that have private transport for there leaders!

To pun AA's adverts 'we fly more New Yorkers than any other airline and if we can keep them happy then.....'

BA's new adverts should read 'we fly more royalty than any other airline and if we can keep them happy then.....'7

J  Smile


25 VV701 : I think this probably hits the nail right on the head. And in these days of international terrorism the last thing Her Majesty's Government would wan
26 BA747YYZ : The UK needs a VIP kong-range jet, if Canada can have one the UK needs one! That would be rather funny, can't imagine the controversy, what would John
27 GDB : The solution to a dedicated long range VIP transport, for senior government personnel, Royals, senior military personnel, IF one is needed, for me is
28 Kdm : Does anyone know what Tony used to fly to Aussie/NZ/Indonesia etc last month for his "flying" visit. It was a BA aircraft and I think (but it was at a
29 Cruiser : Canada got theirs at a really good price though and it was practically brand new from Airbus when they got it. It should be noted that the Canada pla
30 Post contains images VV701 : The same aircraft used by Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip to fly to Australia to open the Commonwealth Games, BA 777 G-YMMO. The Blair flight (stil
31 Aviationwiz : Then South Africa has some BBJ's.
32 Kdm : Thanks VV701. I had forgotten that Blair was in town when I flew out of NZ and saw the BA aircraft, I naively thought that BA had started flights to N
33 CayMan : There are actually a few A310s in the fleet---5 I think and one is specially outfitted for PM exeuctive suite, sleeping quarters etc. This was the ai
34 Post contains links and images DEVILFISH : Brazil now has an Airbus ACJ. View Large View MediumPhoto © Juliano Damásio[Edited 2006-04-15 05:14:43]
35 Post contains links and images Cruiser : There are 5, all of which are based out of the 437 Squadron ,Trenton, ON. That was a good summary of the fleet, however, the VIP plane just doesn't s
36 Baguy : BA is officialy the national flag carrier of England
37 FlyBaby : Bill Clinton sometimes liked to use Al Gore's plane(s)... the C-32 (an updated version of the 752 which entered service in '98). It has good range (10
38 N1120A : Actually, I there are 5 742s in the Air Force fleet. 2 VC-25As and 3 E-4Bs. BTW, the E-4Bs are significantly older. The BBJ is a rather long range ai
39 FlyDreamliner : Bill Clinton was fond of visiting small towns. ... Also, the C-32 limited how much press could come too. Ol' George W Flies the 742, everywhere. Go fi
40 N1120A : Oh really? The estimates put the price tag for the VC-25As at 3 times the list price of a 742B
41 Post contains links and images VV701 : Not according to Richard Branson. All of VS's aircraft carry this inscription: View Large View MediumPhoto © John Farrington - FlightLineImages
42 Post contains links BoomBoom : There is this article in today's Independent that says Blair will purchase a 737 or A320 BJ http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/article358019.ec
43 FlyBaby : The US air force model number designation for the president's 742-based airplane. Right, any govt. official that's allowed to could use it. However,
44 Post contains images RICARIZA : ColOmbia please.. Columbia is the district where Washington DC is located. Also, Venezuela has a A-319, Mexico a B-757 and Chile and Peru have a B-73
45 GDB : BoomBoom, I should caution that such stories appear in the press very often, so far they've all been false. You probably don't know (why should you?)
46 Baguy : VV701, That's how I have always understood it, and if Virgin is the UK's national flag carrier, why does the Queen etc. always go BA.If BA isn't still
47 FlyCaledonian : Apart from Laker Airways collapse, all the other events happened after BA was privatised. Yes, the BCal takeover was controversial, but at the time t
48 VV701 : The term 'flag carrier' dates back prior to the formation of commercial airlines. It described which flag a specific merchant ship flew on its stern
49 FlyDreamliner : Yes, really. Despite the fact Boeing overshot their estimate for the aircraft by more than twice (due to having to rewire with EMP shielded wire, whi
50 Baguy : Hi VV701, I have read many aviation & airline books and most of them state things like this 'British Airways, the national flag carrier of the United
51 Post contains images Andz : South Africa has ONE BBJ, as well as a Falcon 900 which was in the news recently when the deputy president took her family on a holiday to the UAE on
52 Glareskin : I think Richard Branson is just showing British Humor. Isn't the girl (Barbarella?) not carrying the British flag? The inscription is just an explana
53 Post contains images Mikehobley : Yep...cant wait to see dubya in his new A380....
54 ZE701 : Hi everyone. I'm a first time poster on a.net so please go easy on me! I'm based on 32 (The Royal) squadron at RAF Northolt, and I do see an awful lot
55 Andz : Good first post ZE701, welcome to the jungle!
56 CayMan : Welcome to a.net indeed and thank you for a very informative and fact based post! You really hit the nail on the head as far as I am concerned--as I
57 FlyDreamliner : Hahahahahahhahahahaha! That'd be the day. Anyway, why would the President want to trade in possibly the most beautiful airliner flying for the uglies
58 GDB : Welcome ZE701 - Named after the reg of one of the BAe-146's? I don't doubt the interiors are not quite what the Sultan Of Brunei would expect, in a ra
59 ZE701 : Thank you GDB and all the other guys for the welcome. Yep - ZE701 is the one I always seem to get crewed on to so it seemed appropriate. I do have a s
60 GDB : They just pointed out the 146 was not the quietest inside (depends what you compare to, but assume a large biz jet or new airliner based BBJ), and the
61 FlyCaledonian : VV701, I was meaning that with his usual publicity abilities Sir Richard Branson was making it sound like VS was the official airline of the UK. I kno
62 RICARIZA : Is this true? Only 30 a/c???
63 VV701 : A few more. Thirty-seven actually. There are nine 343s (G-VAEL, G-VAIR, G-VBUS, G-VELD, G-VFAR, G-VFLY, G-VHOL, G-VSEA and G-VSUN), fifteen 346s (G-V
64 Post contains links YOWguy : From the Canadian Forces website.. Two of the five have been converted into the Multi-Role Tanker Transport so that they may perform air-to-air refuel
65 TS-IOR : Tunisia also has a B737-7H3 BBJ. It holds the "Republic of Tunisia" title and painted red and white.
66 Post contains images Leezyjet : Well if we want to nit pick, BUS and SUN are now in VK's fleet, and FIT and FIZ are not yet in the fleet, so that makes it 33, that will be the "just
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