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Red Eye Flight, Please Explain...  
User currently offlineFlyingfool From Netherlands, joined May 2005, 433 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13080 times:

I'm wondering what a so called "red eye flight" means...
And are there more "nicknames" for flights?

Tnx in advance

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User currently offlineGoBoeing From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 2682 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13059 times:

A redeye leaves at night or very early morning and arrives early/late morning, some even early afternoon.

User currently offlineUALFAson From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 694 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13055 times:

Red-eyes are overnight flights that usually leave late in the evening and arrive the next morning, usually fairly early, meaning that the only sleep passengers get that night is whatever they can squeeze in during the flight and while they're squeezed into airplane seats. When they get off the plane in the morning, their eyes are bloodshot from the lack of sleep, so hence the term "red eyes."

In the States, a red-eye from California to the East Coast typically is no longer than 4.5-5.5 hours, so even if you fall asleep the moment you get on board, you're still getting far less than the recommended 7-8 hours sleep.

As far as other nicknames, my favorite is American's flight between Austin, Texas, and San Jose, CA (two centers of high-tech) that is referred to as the "nerd bird."



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User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13055 times:

A "red-eye" flight is an overnight flight that leaves late in the evening, and arrives at the destination the next morning. It's called a red-eye because that is the color of your eyes when you arrive -- unless you sleep well on planes and/or medicate yourself, it's not a restful way to travel.

Red-eyes are mostly a US phenomenon, and all trans-continental redeyes start on the West Coast (or near the West Coast -- i.e. PHX, SLC or DEN), and travel to the East Coast or even Midwest.

I believe, however, that Australia has "red-eyes" from PER to SYD/MEL (but somebody please correct me if I am wrong).

Also, Trans-Atlantic flights from the US to Europe could be considered redeyes as well. Thinking about it, I suppose Trans-Pacific Asia/Australia to US could be "redeyes" too.

Hope this clarifies somewhat.


User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2490 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13035 times:

FYI, a red eye doesn't necessarily leave in the evening; there are many flights out of the Hawaiian Islands that leave in the late afternoon (4:30pm) and arrive in ORD/DFW/East Coast in the early morning. Just my two cents!


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User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13004 times:

Good example of red eye flight:

AA #000 departs LAX 11:00 PM arrives JFK 7:00 AM


Bad example of red eye flight:

UA #000 departs MIA 9:00 PM arrives SFO 11:00 PM



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User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3277 posts, RR: 45
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12944 times:

While September 11 touched on it, I think I'll clarify why its a bad example. Part of what makes a redeye what it is, is that it takes advantage of the time zones. By leaving LAX going to JFK at 11, a 5 hour flight would put you into JFK at 4:00 AM, but with the 3 hour time zone change, you really get in at 7. Whereas, flying east to west, you lose hours, so flying from JFK leaving at 11 AM, plus the 5 hours flying puts you into LAX at 4, and then subtract the 3 hours you lose, which really means you'd get in around 1. There are some very bizarre redeyes out there, such as CO 2356 leaving PHX at 1:45 AM, and getting into IAH at 6:05. LAS, being a true 24 hour city, has many redeyes, such as AA 324, leaving LAS at 12:40 AM, and getting into DFW at 5:04.

My turn for a question:

Is there a distinction between an overnight flight and a redeye, or are the terms interchangable? For example: I see LAX-JFK, and I suppose something like DFW-LGW, to a lesser extent, as redeyes. They utilize the loss of time to arrive in the morning, as opposed to night or dawn.

Whereas, what about a flight like ORD-MEX, operated my Mexicana? It leaves ORD at 2:00am and gets into MEX at 6:05 am. There is no time change, should it/does it qualify as a redeye, or is it just an ordinary overnight flight? What about something longer, like LHR-JNB, hardly any time change, but still very much an overnight flight?

Your thoughts?

Cheers,
Cameron


User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5397 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12854 times:

Quoting 777fan (Reply 4):
FYI, a red eye doesn't necessarily leave in the evening; there are many flights out of the Hawaiian Islands that leave in the late afternoon (4:30pm) and arrive in ORD/DFW/East Coast in the early morning. Just my two cents!

No, that's an overnight flight. It ain't no redeye!


Jimbo



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User currently offlineYegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1723 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 12612 times:

in Canada, red eye flights are:

YVR, YEG, YYC to YYZ (there are also red eyes from YYC and YVR to YUL and YHM)

This summer Westet will be running a red eye from YEG to YHZ


User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5615 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 12542 times:

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 3):
I believe, however, that Australia has "red-eyes" from PER to SYD/MEL (but somebody please correct me if I am wrong).

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Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 6):
Is there a distinction between an overnight flight and a redeye, or are the terms interchangable? For example: I see LAX-JFK, and I suppose something like DFW-LGW, to a lesser extent, as redeyes. They utilize the loss of time to arrive in the morning, as opposed to night or dawn.

IMHO "red eyes" are limited to flights less than the recommended 7-8 hours sleep period. On longer flights you CAN get enough sleep to avoid "red eyes". Wether you do or not of course depends on you.

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User currently offlineRuscoe From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1541 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 12471 times:

I agree with the comments so far, but in addition, in Australia at least, the term is coming to mean less than ideal flight times, even if not overnight, that are sold at a discount.

Ruscoe


User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2391 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 12451 times:

IMO, one of the worst flights in the entire CO system is their DEN-IAH "redeye". I call it this because it can hardly be considered an overnight flight, but has absolutely awful timing, some of the worst I have ever seen. I can't imagine ANYBODY willingly choosing this flight, and with ERJ equipment to boot!

CO3081 DEN-IAH
lv 0210
ar 0524
2h18m
ERJ

Equally miserable flights are offered from PHX, SLC, and LAS with similarly awful timing. At least the LAS flight has mainline equipment with a F cabin!


User currently offline57AZ From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2550 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 12405 times:

Delta used to call their red eye flights "Owly Birds" whereas the early morning departures were "Early Birds". A good example of an "Owly Bird" would be the ATL-CHA evening flights leaving at something like 2315-arriving at CHA at 0015 local.


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User currently offlineLouA340 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 384 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 12380 times:

Pretty much all West African flights going northbound to Europe and the middle East are red eyes. Late evening departures and early morning arrival.


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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 12348 times:
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Quoting September11 (Reply 5):
Good example of red eye flight:

AA #000 departs LAX 11:00 PM arrives JFK 7:00 AM


Bad example of red eye flight:

UA #000 departs MIA 9:00 PM arrives SFO 11:00 PM

Or the flight I'm booked on in June,
UA126, departs LAX at 11.20pm, arrives ORD at 5.11am


User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3322 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 12332 times:

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 3):
I believe, however, that Australia has "red-eyes" from PER to SYD/MEL (but somebody please correct me if I am wrong).



Quoting September11 (Reply 5):
Good example of red eye flight:
AA #000 departs LAX 11:00 PM arrives JFK 7:00 AM

Bad example of red eye flight:
UA #000 departs MIA 9:00 PM arrives SFO 11:00 PM



Quoting Gemuser (Reply 11):
IMHO "red eyes" are limited to flights less than the recommended 7-8 hours sleep period. On longer flights you CAN get enough sleep to avoid "red eyes". Wether you do or not of course depends on you.

I think 'red eye' sectors normally involve at least two of these factors:

* you are travelling on an east bound sector eg. PER-MEL/SYD, LAX-JFK, meaning that you "lose" time during travel
* departing late at night, and arriving early morning
* flight sector under six hours, but usually around 4hrs
* cross 2-3 time zones.

here are some examples (note sector time, and eastbound direction of flight):
12:25a ONT 2 8:20a JFK 6 B6 88 Non-stop 320 4:55
11:50p PER 2 5:10a+1 MEL 1 QF 648 Non-stop 332 3:20
11:00p BOM 2 4:50a+1 BKK 1 TG 318 Non-stop 333 4:20
10:15p LHR 2 4:50a+1 ATH OA 266 Non-stop 734 3:35
12:20a HKG 4:55a ICN CX 412 Non-stop 330 3:35
11:15p DEL 2 7:10a+1 SIN 2 SQ 407 Non-stop 773 5:25


User currently offlineVegasplanes From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 778 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 12288 times:

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 6):
LAS, being a true 24 hour city, has many redeyes, such as AA 324, leaving LAS at 12:40 AM, and getting into DFW at 5:04.

Yeah back in the early and mid 1990's, AA used to fly 2 redeyes LAS-DFW, one leaving around 1am, the other leaving at 3am or so. I used to really like the 3am flight, ended up on the same connecting flight out of DFW anyhow, might as well spend the extra view hours in Vegas as opposed to sittin in Dallas.

A great current day flight in my opinion is AA 1842, LAS-MIA, leave at 11:48pm, arrive in MIA at 7:15am, this is my current favorite red-eye flight, which is IMO, the only way to travel east.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26361 posts, RR: 76
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 12286 times:

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 3):
Red-eyes are mostly a US phenomenon, and all trans-continental redeyes start on the West Coast (or near the West Coast -- i.e. PHX, SLC or DEN), and travel to the East Coast or even Midwest.

One of the biggest markets for redeyes is the LAX-Mexico/Central America market. The flights actually leave later, as late as 2 AM, because of the shorter duration and less time difference and arrive early in the morning. Hawai'i and Alaska also have big redeye markets.



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User currently offlineZrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3120 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 12189 times:

I think the worst red-eyes in the states are the LAS departures to the midwest and southwest. You leave LAS at around midnight and arrive in, say, DFW at 5:30 am (which is only about 3.5 hours in flight).

Even worse than this are the LAS departures at 1:30 am in a CRJ that arrive in places like Omaha at 5am.



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User currently offlineMudboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1167 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 12109 times:

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 7):
No, that's an overnight flight. It ain't no redeye!

Don't you think that's a bit of hair splitting? To me, if a flight goes LAX-MIA leaves at night, arrives in the morning, BOS-LHR leaves at night, arrives in the morning, LHR-CPT leaves at night arrives in the morning, whats the difference? Please explain where in the airline dictionary, one is a Redeye and the other is an overnight. To me Redeye, would seem to be slang for an overnight.


User currently offlineVHXLR8 From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 500 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 12104 times:

Yes, there are definately 'redeyes' in Australia; although amongst crew they are known as horrors.
Here we have (at QF anyway) PER-MEL/SYD/BNE/CBR/CNS, DRW-MEL/SYD/BNE, as well as BME-MEL.


User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5397 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 11999 times:

Quoting Mudboy (Reply 22):
Don't you think that's a bit of hair splitting? To me, if a flight goes LAX-MIA leaves at night, arrives in the morning, BOS-LHR leaves at night, arrives in the morning, LHR-CPT leaves at night arrives in the morning, whats the difference?

It might make no difference to you, but IMO (and many others here I think), a red-eye is not any overnight flight - else we'd be talking about any flight that goes overnight.

The term generally is used for those flights that leave late in the evening and arrive early the next morning.

I wouldn't classify a common USA - Europe flight, leaving at 8:00pm and arriving 10:00 am, a red-eye.

Jimbo



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User currently offlineOB1783P From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 326 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 11976 times:

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 6):
Is there a distinction between an overnight flight and a redeye, or are the terms interchangable?

I think a redeye is necessarily an overnight, but for an overnight to be a redeye, there has to be some aggravating factor: the night that is "overed" is also shrunken, and that means flying East. US transcons flying East are the basic redeyes. Flights to Europe are close, although you can get a little sleep because of the longer flight time. A late departure ATL-LIM would not qualify, because none of your biological night gets "stolen." A late departure BKK-AMS definitely wouldn't, since your night gets infinitely stretched.

It would be interesting to study the color of the eyes of arriving passengers, of course, to see if there is any truth to the cute redeye moniker.

Redeye is an old expression, which predates ultra-long haul flights such as ORD-HKG, during which the very notion of night and day gets blurred. Those flights mess up more than your eyes.



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User currently offlineJustplanecrazy From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 536 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 11593 times:

i wouldn't have thought of a flight from the US to europe as a red eye because you have long enough to get enough sleep to stop you being red eyed.  scratchchin 


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User currently offlineJunction From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 766 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 11310 times:

Quoting VHXLR8 (Reply 23):
although amongst crew they are known as horrors.

I have always thought a red-eye flight would be a good one to work as a F/A, because all the pax will fall asleep for most of the flight. No?


25 Jfr : For me, SIN-SYD or MEL or BNE also fits the description. Not long enough for a decent sleep plus a sunrise arrival. Even though longer than an Ozzie
26 Samurai 777 : I've got a redeye booked for May 30 from YEG to YYZ on the way to YYG (Charlottetown, PEI), but that's on Air Canada, not WestJet. It goes like this:
27 Gkyip : so is it just America and maybe austrailia that have red eye flights then? What about other flights then, eg. HKG-LHR Departs 22:45 arrives 04:30 Gary
28 HighFlyer9790 : nicknames: a red eye, general;ly speaking, leaves in the dark and lands in the dark. usually leaving around midnight and arriving around 4-6 am. an ov
29 Max999 : There's a Swiss International flight JFK-GVA that is nicknamed the UN Shuttle.
30 Experimental : When I go to London from JFK I always like to take the BA daytime flight (BA178) On both of my last two journeys on this particular flight I have ove
31 Xbraniffone : We use to call the Braniff 5:00pm DFW to IAH, "The Houston Rocket" Always full, always drinking.
32 Bphendri : HA! But what about a flight that leaves at MIDNIGHT BKK time, and gets me into San Diego at 5PM the same day, after transiting through Incheon, and Sa
33 Ikramerica : That's just your schedule. I can stay up all night at home and have red eyes in the morning. Doesn't mean I was on a red-eye flight. Incheon to SFO i
34 Vegasplanes : Cool TWA used to have the "Blue Chip" service LGA-ORD back in the day, I imagine along the same lines as what you mentioned above. IIRC there was a t
35 COSAMICLE : In December I flew west from DAM-AMS, moving back a time zone. I took off at 2:20 am and landed a mere 4 hours and 15 minutes later at around 5:35 am.
36 Post contains images YOWza : Way back when Air UK was still kicking about my friends and I used to frequent Amsterdam from EDI. The weekend would end with us being hungover worse
37 DCAYOW : No a lot of places have them. For example: Mexico has redeyes too... This one is terrible... Aeromexico 193 TIJ Tijuana 2355 MEX Mexico 0520
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