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New CO Frequencies & Acft Changes To UK  
User currently offlineBHXDTW From Eritrea, joined Feb 2005, 1088 posts, RR: 5
Posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8646 times:

Hi guys,
just had this sent to me from CO...
Thought id share it.. also Belfast n Bristol celebrate their first year anniversaries this year with daily CO Flights !!
Shame MAN loses the 777 !!
I understand that CO were hesitant to simply upgrade the BHX service to a larger acft than a 757, instead choosing to add an extra service.
(If you think about it a daily 762 service would be ideal ..only in my opinion)
Also I think next year it will be BHX's 10th year with CO services...correct me if im wrong !

Cheers !! Joe


Continental Airlines is increasing the frequencies of its non-stop flights from the UK and Ireland to New York/Newark. From March 2, it is operating daily non-stop services from Belfast and Bristol to New York - up from five flights per week. From May 4, Edinburgh will be served by 11 flights per week, while from May 6, Glasgow will go to 10 flights per week - both up from seven flights. In addition, starting on May 6, Continental will operate two daily Boeing 757 flights from Manchester to New York, in place of a single daily Boeing 777 service - a seat capacity increase of 34 per cent over last Summer. Furthermore, from May 26, Continental will operate 10 non-stop services between Birmingham and New York - up from seven flights - a capacity increase of 43 per cent. Finally, departures from Dublin to New York with a stop in Shannon will double from May 4.

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User currently offlineNighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5093 posts, RR: 35
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8633 times:

Quoting BHXDTW (Thread starter):
From May 4, Edinburgh will be served by 11 flights per week, while from May 6, Glasgow will go to 10 flights per week - both up from seven flights

Perhaps COs memory isnt quite what it used to be. Last year they operated 11 flights to GLA, and 10 to EDI, not 7. They have simply switched one rotation from GLA to EDI this summer.



That'll teach you
User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24815 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8619 times:

BHX-EWR was 2 x Daily 757s last summer, so frequency is reduced.
MAN-EWR was 1 x Daily 757, 1 x Daily 762 last summer.



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User currently offlineDemoose From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 1952 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8619 times:

Quoting BHXDTW (Thread starter):
Continental will operate two daily Boeing 757 flights from Manchester to New York, in place of a single daily Boeing 777 service - a seat capacity increase of 34 per cent over last Summer.

Hmm CO haven't used the 777 to MAN for well over a year, last summer they operated 2 x daily 757's with the odd 762 and 764 thrown in so I dunno where they get the 34% seat increase from.

Mark



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User currently offlineCrosscountry From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8596 times:

CO also operated twice daily from MAN last summer, with a 762 and a 757

User currently offlineBHXDTW From Eritrea, joined Feb 2005, 1088 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8596 times:

Quoting Demoose (Reply 3):
Hmm CO haven't used the 777 to MAN for well over a year, last summer they operated 2 x daily 757's with the odd 762 and 764 thrown in so I dunno where they get the 34% seat increase from.

Actually I must say that you'd be suprised how many airlines dont know their own facts.
Ive spoken to a number of airline 'reps' who I've corrected when they've come out with a load of crap.. Its quite amusing actually.

joe


User currently offlineDemoose From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 1952 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8584 times:

Yep, its true. A large majority that work in the industry have no idea about the aviation industry, which is why you learn not to believe everything you hear at work lol.


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User currently offlineBHXDTW From Eritrea, joined Feb 2005, 1088 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8522 times:

Quoting Demoose (Reply 6):
Yep, its true. A large majority that work in the industry have no idea about the aviation industry, which is why you learn not to believe everything you hear at work lol.

true dat...

I asked one airline rep why the airline was stopping a route, and she never even knew it was being stopped.


User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3762 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8452 times:

Quoting BHXDTW (Thread starter):
I understand that CO were hesitant to simply upgrade the BHX service to a larger acft than a 757, instead choosing to add an extra service.
(If you think about it a daily 762 service would be ideal ..only in my opinion)

I agree, I would love to see the 767's at BHX  Smile
They used to operate the DC10's into BHX, what was the frequency of the DC10's?

I sure wish another US carrier would fly to BHX, AA from JFK, BOS or ORD  cloudnine 

Quoting BHXDTW (Thread starter):
Continental will operate two daily Boeing 757 flights from Manchester to New York, in place of a single daily Boeing 777 service - a seat capacity increase of 34 per cent over last Summer.

That will make the anti-757-translantic guys happy Big grin

Whats the latest on LGW for this summer?

Rob!  wave 


User currently offlineBHXDTW From Eritrea, joined Feb 2005, 1088 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8413 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 8):
They used to operate the DC10's into BHX, what was the frequency of the DC10's?

Hi Rob, Hows it going buddy ?

The DC10's were daily I believe. better known as DC-Techs. !!  Wink

heres what little I have on LGW..

Continental's seasonal daily non-stop service from London Gatwick to Cleveland is starting again on May 4. The Boeing 757 aircraft will depart from Gatwick at 11.55 hours, arriving at 15.20. The inbound flight will depart Cleveland at 19.20 hours, arriving at 07.55 on the following day.


User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3762 posts, RR: 19
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8371 times:

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 9):
Hi Rob, Hows it going buddy ?

Im great, hows about you?

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 9):
The DC10's were daily I believe. better known as DC-Techs. !!

You gotta love the DC10's  Wink

Thanks for your info on LGW, good to see CLE returning again this year!

Rob!  wave 


User currently offlineBHXDTW From Eritrea, joined Feb 2005, 1088 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8310 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 10):
Im great, hows about you?

yeah good thanks  Smile  bigthumbsup 

The DC-10's were always a great sight at BHX.. the largest aircraft operating in at one point..
I remember taxiing out in a BA 757 and looking at the DC-10 that was parked up... it was filthy but some how you couldnt see it as being dirty.. just experienced and a workhorse..
I loved them !! first AA, then UA, and CO.. now its just NW holding the DC-10 Baton.. hope they dont drop them too soon !!

Joe


User currently offlineTsnamm From United States of America, joined May 2005, 624 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8225 times:

We didn't run the DC-10's very long to BHX or LIS...maybe 1 summer.When the 767's began to replace them BHX and LIS became 757 destinations exclusively. They've never been upgraded since. The wiwdebody drawdown to MAN will hurt cargo considerably. Since DL is begining 764 service JFK/MAN this summer, they will probably get that business.

User currently offlineBHXDTW From Eritrea, joined Feb 2005, 1088 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8199 times:

Quoting Tsnamm (Reply 12):
The wiwdebody drawdown to MAN will hurt cargo considerably

Whys it been downgraded then ? is it just pax figures ?
What does DL currently use into MAN ?

 Smile


User currently offlineLH121GLA From Germany, joined May 2004, 454 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8148 times:

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 13):
What does DL currently use into MAN ?

MANATL = 763
MANJFK (when it starts) = 764


User currently offlineBHXDTW From Eritrea, joined Feb 2005, 1088 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8128 times:

Quoting LH121GLA (Reply 14):
MANATL = 763
MANJFK (when it starts) = 764

So they've used a variety of acft into MAN - 767's , 777's, MD-11's


User currently offlineMhodgson From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2002, 5047 posts, RR: 26
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 8038 times:

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 15):
So they've used a variety of acft into MAN - 767's , 777's, MD-11's

L-1011's, too!



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User currently offlineBHXDTW From Eritrea, joined Feb 2005, 1088 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 8014 times:

Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 16):
L-1011's, too!

Really ? How long back was that ??


User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24815 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7999 times:

Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 16):
Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 15):
So they've used a variety of acft into MAN - 767's , 777's, MD-11's

L-1011's, too!

Don't forget the A310s  Wink



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User currently offlineMbm3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 818 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7955 times:
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Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 13):
Whys it been downgraded then ? is it just pax figures ?

They are using the widebodies on more profitable routes. The 777s are being pushed to the ultra long haul destinations in China and India, the 767s are backfilling 777 routes, and the 752s are being used to add seats and frequencies (or to start new thin routes to second and third tier cities).



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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7940 times:

Manchester is an odd sitauation this year - EWR-MAN will operate with 2X 757 this summer.........most thought that one service would be switched to a 762 (thats what happened last year) at the very last minute. It did not happen - simply not enough widebody aircraft to go around at CO. The lack of the widebody will certainly affect cargo opeations - but I guess CO has it covered. I think that the 34% increase in seats is 2 X 757 over the current 1 X 764.......as far as pax capacity, the 762 goes out with 174 seats (25+149) versus the 752 (16+156.......and 159 in Y on the updated 752s with the new AVOD video system), thus its a minor difference, especially during the summer when J class demand dips due to reduced biz travel.

BHX is getting less service this summer, I think that CO is trying to increase the yeilds on this route.....its interesting that on the days that the second EWR-BHX flight is not operating, the 757 does a third sevice on the EWR-LGW route. As for GLA/EDI - there is a shift in one frequency, demand and yeild were slightly higher to EDI last summer, thus they are getting the "extra flight".....again, both cities stay with 757s this summer due to the lack of widebodies.

And, as long predicted, Dublin loses widebody service - CO simply does not have enough 767s and 777s around to "waste" one on the Dublin route, thus, Ireland is getting 3 757s per day - one to DUB, one to SNN, and one wrap flight to both cities.

Many of the changes are due to CO operating new long haul widebody services - the IAH-EZE route requires 2 762s per day to operate, the EWR-Delhi route takes up 2 777s per day........all extra services for the CO widebody fleet that was already working very hard last summer. Thus, lots of 757s accross the atlantic.


User currently offlineARGinLON From Vatican City, joined Jun 2005, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7850 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 20):
the EWR-Delhi route takes up 2 777s per day

I think DEL takes 1 1/2 if I am not wrong....

UK looks like "757 kingdom" for CO this summer.


User currently offlineGreenjet From Ireland, joined Aug 2001, 939 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7635 times:

Quoting BHXDTW (Thread starter):
Finally, departures from Dublin to New York with a stop in Shannon will double from May 4.

This summer there will be a total of 6 daily flights on DUB-NYC and 82 scheduled flights per week overall from DUB to the US. Not so long ago there was just a daily flight to BOS and JFK.


User currently offlineDptMAN From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 207 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7616 times:

On another note why no Houston-Manchester UK service, or does PIA provide adequte capacity per week? To my knowledge PIA operate 2x/Weekly. Or even a seasoal Cleveland to Manchester like CO do with LGW.
dptMAN


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7591 times:

Quoting DptMAN (Reply 23):
On another note why no Houston-Manchester UK service, or does PIA provide adequte capacity per week? To my knowledge PIA operate 2x/Weekly. Or even a seasoal Cleveland to Manchester like CO do with LGW.
dptMAN

There is probably not enough year round demand for and IAH-MAN flight with limited O&D traffic - and CO would need atleast a 767 to operate an IAH-MAN service and there are far more important priorities for CO's rather limited widebody fleet. As for CLE-MAN, not a chance, CO still cannot make CLE-LGW work on a yearround basis and if CO were to offer another transatlantic flight out of CLE, it would be to AMS or CDG (SkyTeam hubs) where multiple connection opportunities could be offered.


25 Gkirk : I wonder if CO managed to free a 762 up, would ABZ-MAN-IAH be do-able? The front end would probably be full from ABZ anyway, so anything from MAN woul
26 N1120A : The CO 762ER only holds 4 more seats than the 75B does, and has a significantly larger number of premium seats. In this case, the CASM of the 75B is
27 MAH4546 : Something may have changed lately, but PIA doesn't have traffic rights on IAH-MAN, AFAIK.
28 N1120A : I think they just may, given the rather liberal traffic rights given to commonwealth members, though I don't think they would use them anymore, given
29 MAH4546 : PIA only has an "x" amount of 5th Freedom rights between the UK and the US, and in the past has chosen to use them on JFK and ORD services, not Houst
30 N1120A : That makes sense. Given the inane US regulations on non-stop flights from Pakistan, I am trying to figure out how they would handle this logistically
31 GLAGAZ : I will disagree and agree with you. The CAA figures say that demand was greater from GLA, but as you say the yields at EDI were most likely higher. G
32 Dutchjet : Cool - I heard very general info about this; I only asked because of the shift on the one "extra" flight intrigued me. My source (sounds so official!
33 Klwright69 : So how is BRS finally working out for CO after a year?? Many were predicting the routes early demise... Maybe Dutchjet can enlighten us.
34 Dutchjet : CO is sticking with BRS, much to everyone's surprise, and its going back to daily service for the summer, again much to everyone's surpirse. What I h
35 Post contains images Jacobin777 : PK serves HOU 1x/weekly during off-season and 2x/weekly during peak season...however, for whatever reason, they have switched from the 777-200ER to t
36 Col : Rob, Not to disappoint - oh what joy more 757's US-MAN. Thanks must go to DL, for giving a wide option, and more freight opportunity to offer between
37 Evolution : Marginal I think is the word! Rumor has it that Business First only operates at less than 20% of seats filled on average. One flight went out this we
38 Mbm3 : Interesting my point. My CO flight to BRS last May was delayed due to fog and so was my inbound on the return flight.
39 LH121GLA : What about poor old US?!
40 Post contains images Jacobin777 : interestingly enough, reading Airportsworld today at the bookstore (ok, I'm a loser, I'll admit it. ), there was a nice section on BRS.. the growth r
41 Joeman : They're not trying awfully hard either, not when the goal is to have all the slow northeast winter traffic funnel through EWR and even seasonally the
42 Col : Commenting on Airlines making changes. US has the best quality Aircraft, has been for a long time, across the Pond. BMI had best on board service. Th
43 Dutchjet : CO would, in fact, very much like to make the CLE-LGW flight work on a year round basis - daily in the summer and 5X per week in the winter......unti
44 ContnlEliteCMH : True story: a coworker flew from Atlanta to Ireland three weeks ago on Continental, via EWR. He drew the 757 to the U.K. In his words, "Never again."
45 Jacobin777 : AA and UA fly their 777's with a 2-5-2 configuration... edited to add UA[Edited 2006-04-14 19:23:50]
46 Joeman : I hear what you're saying, especially about costs. I understand that the industry climate leaves CO's attention to CLE development at a minimum. The
47 Flyjetstar : Are you able to provide more info. on this? Is it a PK issue or Pakistan airports? Back to the thread topic, what aircraft does CO have on order? Lot
48 EIRules : I have only ever flown transatlantic on widebodies (EI 333, 332. AA 777. CO 767. IB 340.) But have traveled intercontinental on 757s with AA and find
49 Tpaewr : Rumors come and go about CO looking for used W/B lift. But Smith is very attached to the fleet commonality we have now. So oldskool 763s with vintage
50 Post contains images N1120A : Well, that should be pretty obvious Left out US, AA (to ORD), PK, and BD (to ORD) I bet there were some really pissed off Business/First travellers o
51 Dutchjet : No plans to return to the South Pacific - the only routes that there is real money to be made on is the LAX/SFO-Australia services and QF and UA have
52 CV990 : Hi! I didn't knew that CO operated the D10 on LIS!!! I wouldn't mind to fly on a CO D10 now.... Regarding LIS, has you know TP is going to upgrade the
53 MAH4546 : Yes, they have always flown to Houston via Manchester, but have not excercised fifth-freedom rights to carry local MAN-IAH traffic. I do not know if
54 Dutchjet : No plans to use the 762 on the EWR-LIS route - being that the 752 and 762 have about the same capacity, the 762 is reserved for longerhaul segments t
55 CV990 : Hi Dutchjet! I would like sincerely to thank your great explanation!!! I fully understand CO on this....but sometimes we "like to dream"!!! Anyway I'm
56 Post contains links and images Jacobin777 : Flyjetstar, it seems to be a Pakistani Airports issue.... fair use excerpt: " PIA not permitted Lahore-NY non-stop flight BY AMRAIZ KHAN LAHORE - The
57 Joeman : and RE:CLE-LGW, the available cargo space for the substantial volume trucked to EWR.
58 N1120A : Apparently a big part of that route has always been onward travel between LAX and GUM, to the point that CO has considered at various times doing a n
59 Hjulicher : Why doesn't CO buy more T7's. If they're already in the fleet, couldn't they service new cities with a T7? Especially for the moscow market, which is
60 N1120A : CO actually has 1 or 2 coming this year, but that is it. They aren't exactly in the financial position to buy more 150 million dollar aircraft.
61 Mbm3 : This would not surprise me at all, though even with two 75Bs I believe there would be a loss of cargo lift in a very important market. Passengers, ho
62 2travel2know : These are some CO U.K. routes I would love to see someday: EWR-ABZ - Boeing launched the B737-700ER EWR-NCL - GLA/EDI backup, AA didn't go for it. EWR
63 Mbm3 : Given that CO is converting all of their domestic 752s to BusinessFirst international configuration, I do think you will some of these routes pop up
64 Flyjetstar : Thanks guys for taking the time to reply. I appreciate your input. Concerning CO's profitability how strong are they at the moment? I thought they we
65 Carpethead : What I always find these threads amazing, is that an airline the size of CO can't afford just a handful of widebodies. It's not like they are doing to
66 MasseyBrown : Analysts are predicting CO will earn between 84 cents and $3.40 for 2006; the average estimate is $2.01. All numbers are per share. First quarter ear
67 Dutchjet : EWR-ABZ: Sorry, but CO has repeatedly stated that no 737NG will be sent across the Atlantic....the numbers do not work in an aircraft with a standard
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