Happy-flier From Canada, joined Dec 1999, 299 posts, RR: 0 Posted (14 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1367 times:
Man, am I ever taking a liking to the 727 lately! I've always liked it despite never having flown in one, but now that they're getting "classic" it's that much more of a treat to see them. Just early this morning while passing by YYZ I saw an AA 727 doing a very long T.O. run on 6R, and it was a very graceful sight to behold, as it lifted off slowly, very heavy evidently, with that characteristic smoky, crackly rumble! And now just this evening another one took off, also flying low and flat but VERY fast...
Long live the 727!
May the wind be always at your back . . . except during takeoff & landing.
US521 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (14 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1231 times:
Well i'll have to totally agree with ya. I see the new Pan Am's 727's and every time i see them witht he White scheme and the winglets. It is truely a site to see especially after a rainshower when the contrails are spiriling of the flaps. It is a marvelous sight. I'd have to say the 727 is my fav plane. The Piper Tri Pacer close behind.
(aka N365PA in chat room)
Modesto2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2849 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (14 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1198 times:
You can recognize a 727 by the extraordinary roar of its engines. I've spotted at SFO and watched numerous 727s taking off. Any plane's noise, even a 747's roar, pales in comparison to the blast from the good old 727!
TEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (14 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1171 times:
Last night me and my wife were at ALB for a while watching aircraft taking off and landing when we saw a Delta 727 taxiing and right behind it was a UPS RR RB211 powered 757. The tower told the Delta jet to move over so that the UPS jet can takeoff first. That aircraft on it's takeoff run only used half of the runway when it lifted it's nose. That was amazing that this aircraft can use only half of the runway while the other aircraft like the 727, 737, DC-9/MD-80, & F100s take the entire runway before lifting off. When it came time for the Delta 727 to takeoff that plane was so loud even though it had hush kits. It had a slow takeoff run and lifted it's nose almost at the end of the runway.
Sammyk From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1693 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (14 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1164 times:
Back in the day before hushkits limited how much power can be used, I'm sure the 727 was able to takeoff at that "half a runway" point too. I was always under the impression that the 727, in its early form (without hushkits, etc), was also overpowered (like the 757), and one of the fastest subsonic jets around.
RayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8137 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (14 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1142 times:
I have a question for all you 727 fans (pun not intended ).
A few years ago, when 727-200's took off from Runway 1R at SFO, the roar of the three engines was totally deafening, to say the least! I've noticed that the Delta and Sun Country 727-200's that take off from that same runway nowadays aren't so noisy anymore. Has there been a rush to hush-kit the JT8D engines on thoses planes lately?
TEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (14 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1125 times:
In an issue of the magazine AIRWAYS, I believe either the MAY, JUN or JUL 2000 issue, there is a good article on the new Pan Am based at the former Pease AFB, NH with their hushkitted 727-200s equipped with winglets.
AKelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2194 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (14 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1112 times:
On December 31st 1999 was the last day in the US that airlines could fly non-Stage III (noise restriction)complaint aircraft.
To comply with regulations, Aircraft such as the 727 or 737-200 could either:
1. Get Hushkitted (Delta, American, etc.)
2. Re-engine them (UPS)
3. Do nothing, but then have a severe weight restriction so the JT8Ds wouldn't have to be a max take-off power. In this case, as long as the noise generated by a certain take-off power setting doesn't cross the 'Stage III' threshold, then you're okay.
So to answer your question, yes, there was a big rush at the last year to get aircraft compliant with Stage III.
Greeneyes53787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 844 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (14 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1085 times:
727s are pretty fast even now. They were designed to compete with the 880's original reason for living--short take-offs and plenty of speed. In actuality they could cruise almost as fast as an 880 but they couldn't get to that speed and altitude nearly as quickly. They were wider with the same thrust. 880s could push 44,000 lbs at high exhaust speed. 727s could push 45,000 lbs at moderate exhaust speed.
I am not a commercial pilot though. Pilots know more.
Trintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3272 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (14 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1073 times:
Oh yes, those 727s. Quite graceful planes and sights to behold on the ground and in the air. I have flown on 727s several times (EA, AA, UA) and have found them to be quite comfortable. Those planes have really survived the tests of time and service and continue to serve their owners well. I think that the 727 is well on its way to becoming the DC-3 equivalent of the jet age, greatly outselling its rivals and outlasting them (eg Trident, Mercure).
By the way, a question. Who actually outfits the 727s with winglets? Is there a company offering such upgrades? I saw a 727-200 here owned by Amerijet which featured the winglets (it was the first 727 with winglets that I have ever seen).