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Pan Am Flight 103 A Chilling Thought  
User currently offlineNEMA From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 717 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 12994 times:

Having just replied to a thread regarding how safe is flying I thought I would mention a story of a friend of mine.

Back in 1988, he was at Heathrow trying to get a cheap discounted passage to Australia. Having already spoken with the Qantas desk to no avail, he left his name there on standby and began checking other options. Some how, along the way he was offered the more labourious option of flying Pan-Am to New York and then connecting from there down to Aussie. Eventually he decided that this was probably going to be his best option to avoid losing a day or two whilst a more direct cheapy came available, which still wouldnt be guaranteed. So he put himself in a queue to purchase a ticket on what was to be the ill fated Pan-Am flight 103 to JFK.

He recalls about 6 people in front of him purchasing Pan-Am tickets, one in particular was annoying him for taking so much time at the desk when, he was paged over the tannoy to make his way to the Qantas desk. Tired but hopeful, he gave up his place in that Pan-Am queue to find that he was to be offered a late place on the Qantas flight.

He knew nothing of the Pan-Am disaster until 2 days later and even then, it was a month later on his return to the UK when he checked the flight times etc. that the Pan-Am flight 103 which was bombed, was the one he would have been on if not paged. He has often wondered if any of those that he stood alongside in that ticket queue were booking the same flight..


There isnt really a dark side to the moon, as a matter of fact its all dark!
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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 12945 times:

He got horrifyingly close.

I have always kept good records of the planes I have flown on, but I did not start recording registry numbers until about ten years ago. I will always wonder in my mind if one of the United Or American 757's or TWA 747's or UA DC-10's I have flown on later came to grief.

I'm sure we all have wondered that.



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User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 12912 times:

I used to fly AA 946/947 to and from college in Boston all the time. It was a 767-200. Chances are that one of the times I went home it might have been the ill-fated flight that flew into the WTC.

UAL


User currently offlineYLWbased From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2006, 831 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 12841 times:

i have two of those stories

1) i was booked on Dragonair (KA) flights from HKG-HKT on Dec.23, 2004, but for some tech reason, my flight was cancelled and i was given a refund since the next aviliable flight is 2 days later. The next day when i turn on the TV after i got back from supper, i saw a cam shot towards the hotel that i suppose to stay in (Holiday Inn) was completely washed out by tsunami...... If i was on that flight, i'm probly dead.........

2) I think lots of ppl here would recall this incident - China Airlines CI611.

i was booked on that flight on May25th, 2005, 4days after my birthday. Planed to return from taiwan to hong kong after my bday trip TPE-HKG. due to terrible traffic condition @ taipei at the time, i was too late for the flight, the check-in counter wouldn't issue me a boarding pass. I was then rearrage to another flight which will be departed 1.5hr later. The other day when I read the news paper, i saw the flight that i'm suppose to be on - CI-611 was crashed into the ocean with no one survive. if i made it on time to the airport, i will be one of those 225 poor soul....



Hong Kong is not China. Not better or worse, just different.
User currently offlineLh463 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 68 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 12815 times:

The first airplane in my logbook, N4512Q, which I flew at a summer camp at Culver, Indiana in 01 crashed in the summer of 05 during the same camp. It was taking off and apparently experienced engine trouble which resulted in a ditch attempt in a near by lake. The instructor and student were both killed and the investigation is still not complete. May both of them rest in piece.


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Turning final...
User currently offlineKL5147 From Netherlands, joined Aug 2005, 327 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 12592 times:

I flew from JFK to LHR on 29-09-1979, flight PA 102. The a/c was PanAm Boeing 747-121 N738PA. This a/c was damaged beyond repair (W/O) on August 4, 1983 after hard a landing in Karachi, Pakistan.

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User currently offlineUsafokie From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 14 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 12553 times:

Similar story from a family friend.

A family friend worked at the Pentagon for a few years. Back in 2001, he had a couple weeks of extra leave that were going to expire at the end of the year, so he would take a day or two off every couple weeks or so to use up the leave. One of the days he took off was September 11. His office was entirely destroyed in the attack.

These stories are interesting, but I feel that it's a little pointless to dwell on them too much. I mean, there's no way to know that if someone had done something else, that ____ would have still happened, if you catch my drift.


User currently offlineSpartanmjf From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 503 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 12486 times:

In the Spring of 1987 I led a group of high school students to Europe over the Easter vacation. We have a photograph of ourselves standing in front of windows at FRA, and the name of our aircraft - the doomed PA jet - Clipper Maid of the Seas - is clearly visible.


"Nuts to the man in 21D!"
User currently offlinePiercey From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 2233 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 12427 times:

My mom has a similar story as well.

On May 25, 1979, my mom was working a shift at a bar near ORD. An upset man walks in and asks for the phone. She points to where it is and he makes a few calls. Guy comes back to the counter, sobbing. Mom asks what's wrong. He goes on to say he was late for a flight. Turns out the flight he was late for was AA191. 'nuff said.



Well I believe it all is coming to an end. Oh well, I guess we are gonna pretend.
User currently offlineOttoPylit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 12267 times:

Well, nothing as dangerous, but in early 2002, I flew DL55 ATL-NRT on Ship 803DE, before connecting to a UA flight to ICN. About 2 weeks later, she went mudding while trying to land in a 55 knot crosswind in SNN(or DUB). Significant damage to the belly and engine.




And I returned from that NRT trip 10 days late on Ship 802DE. A couple years later, she catches fire during engine run-up in ATL and recieves very significant damage, needing Boeing to come out and repair her. Until then, she sits as an expensive paper-weight in the north corner of DL TechOps in ATL.




Seems every airplane I fly on is later damaged.  ashamed 



OttoPylit


User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6570 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 12082 times:

Otto, wow, 802 is still out there? Sure sad to see such a great bird wait and wait and wait...

User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5684 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 11977 times:

Well, I was on N93119 on the way back from ATH the day she left for her final voyage...as well as a few others... Sad


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User currently offlineLordanmol From India, joined May 2005, 441 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 11952 times:

Ive got a similar story my friends father told me after realizing how much I like aviation.

He was booked on board the ill fated plane Kanishka. As the flight was overbooked he decided to come earlier than normal and still they told him that you will be offloaded and will put you on a later Air Canada flight. He was hella angry and complained alot of times, but to no avail.

Once he arrived in London he realized Kanishka was no more and all the people on board are presumed dead.

Sadly his mother had no idea that he was offloaded as neither of them had a mobile nor did he have some money he could use in England to tell that he was safe.

So he made his way to Mumbai knowing that his mother probably thinks that he is dead.

His mother recieved a huge shock when he suddenly turned up in his home as all of them thought that he was one of the dead passengers onboard Kanishka.

Regards



Hmmmmm....
User currently offlineBHMBAGLOCK From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 11924 times:

I had a friend, now dead, who only missed 103 by having a near fatal accident in Saudi Arabia days before the flight. Here's a link to more info on this and other close calls that earned him the nickname of "Dead Man".

http://home.triad.rr.com/bmorrell/steve/closecalls.html

and a bit more

http://home.triad.rr.com/bmorrell/steve/stevestories.html

My close calls w/ AC

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20001211X14468&key=1

Several flights in N141PV about 3 weeks before this incident that killed a friend and several others I didn't know as well.

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20001212X24193&key=1

I was one of the passengers on this one! btw the NTSB report has little that is correct in it.



Where are all of my respected members going?
User currently offlineQXatFAT From Israel, joined Feb 2006, 2405 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 11692 times:

Quoting Lh463 (Reply 4):
The first airplane in my logbook, N4512Q, which I flew at a summer camp at Culver, Indiana in 01 crashed in the summer of 05 during the same camp. It was taking off and apparently experienced engine trouble which resulted in a ditch attempt in a near by lake. The instructor and student were both killed and the investigation is still not complete. May both of them rest in piece.

Was that done by a christian organisation? A fellow college student in Michigan who I roomed with was friends with another flight schooling guy that crashed in Lake Michigan and parished with his instructor.

My dads co-wokers daughter was in New York during the 9/11 attacks. She was suppost to be on one of the UA flights to SFO. She canciled the flight and re-booked for the next day so she could see the World Trade Center. She was at the World Trade Center when her flight went right into the towers. She was under the Manzaneen or whatever it is called when it hit. She survived by running out. Thank you Lord!



Don't Tread On Me!
User currently offlineOttoPylit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 11588 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 10):
Otto, wow, 802 is still out there? Sure sad to see such a great bird wait and wait and wait...

No, she finally left last fall. Boeing came out, fixed her up, and then she was on her way to YUL. Which is odd, because last time I saw her up close last spring, she looked fit to scrap, removed engines and everything.



OttoPylit


User currently offlineCxsjr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 10909 times:

Back in 1997, I was lucky enough to cross the Atlantic on this beautiful bird ....


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Four years later ....



Hardly a close call but it still gets you thinking when you hear the news

 Sad


User currently offlineRams777 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 10635 times:

This reminds me of the film FINAL DESTINATION.

User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12476 posts, RR: 34
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 10635 times:

I only ever flew TWA once, in July 1989, from BOS to JFK. The aircraft was N93119 ... which was later lost as TW 800.

That Delta MD11 which had an accident at Dublin was the subject of an investigation by the Irish AAIU (Air Accident Investigations Unit); it was ruled that the gust which resulted in the plane going off-piste was not something the crew could have done anything about. It was the captain's last trip before retirement (presumably the return trip would have been his last), so I was glad he was cleared of blame, although it was sad that his last flight had to end like that.


User currently offlineSmithAir747 From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1628 posts, RR: 28
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks ago) and read 10479 times:

I always wonder if one of the TWA 747s I took on a round trip to Spain was the one lost in TWA 800...

In 1994, I took a big trip to Spain on TWA (IND-JFK-MAD return) as a high school graduation gift; the JFK-MAD and MAD-JFK legs were flown on TWA 747s. This was my only 747 trip in my life.

Although I never saw the registration on either TWA 747, I wonder just if one of them was the ill-fated N93119.

How would I be able to track the registration of my TWA 747s (JFK-MAD & MAD-JFK legs) on that trip in 1994?

SmithAir747



I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made... (Psalm 139:14)
User currently offlinePawsleykat From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1978 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks ago) and read 10425 times:

Quoting Rams777 (Reply 17):
This reminds me of the film FINAL DESTINATION.

I was just thinking the same thing.

JG



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User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 10079 times:

I flew LAX-JFK on United Airlines in August 2001, three weeks prior to the 9/11 attacks. The plane was a 767-200. It was the same aircraft that would operate UA 175 on the morning of 9/11.

ContinentalEWR


User currently offlineA340600 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 4105 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 10022 times:

Quoting Cxsjr (Reply 16):
Back in 1997, I was lucky enough to cross the Atlantic on this beautiful bird ....

Does anyone else remember that story from the AF crash? Apparently there were two families trying to check-in and only room for one. They had to toss a coin, the "unlucky" family would end up on the normal jet to New York and so thought they'd be slower but in fact the others never even left Paris...

All very wierd, proves IMO there's such a thing as fate



Despite the name I am a Boeing man through and through!
User currently offlineRams777 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9650 times:

I remember when the Swiss MD-11 crashed. Marc Rosset (Swiss Pro Tennis Player) was beat in either the 1st or 2nd round of the U.S Open in New York. He booked to fly back home on that fatal flight but decided to have an extra day shopping in NY.. Chilling Thought

User currently offlineUniTED From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9541 times:

Quoting SmithAir747 (Reply 19):
How would I be able to track the registration of my TWA 747s (JFK-MAD & MAD-JFK legs) on that trip in 1994?

There is a website that lists all departures, arrivals, diversions, etc., but I don't know whether it is only US domestic or also international. anyway, here it is:

http://www.bts.gov/programs/airline_...rmation/airline_ontime_statistics/



The opinions expressed here are mine and not necessarily those of Delta Air Lines.
25 Baguy : This really wasn't very dangerous but it just shows how easily people get scared onboard aircraft, one of my friends was on a BA LHR-MLA flight on 9/1
26 FutureUALpilot : The very first aircraft I flew for mny PPL, a Cessna 152, N24961 was w/o after an instructor and student spun into the ground at an airport I frequent
27 StarGoldLHR : I was waiting for Alaska 261 to Seattle and was waiting at SFO. After an announcement telling us the flight was canceled, the AS desk at SFO was close
28 ANITIX87 : I was on this flight, as I stated in the "ATH Spotters" thread. I was also on HB-IWC, the ill-fated Swissair MD-11 that went down as SR111 in 1998. T
29 StudentFlyer : I was on SQ's 9V-SPK on June 28, 2000, SYD-SIN. That beautiful-liveried plane, as we all know, was the one w/o at TPE, October 31, 2000. I was seated
30 4holer : I was on USAir 427 a short time before the accident in PIT. I don't keep track of registrations so I don't know if it was the same 737.
31 IFEMaster : A friend of mine is a Lt. Col. and spends a lot of time at the Pentagon. He was in his office there the morning of September 11th when the plane hit (
32 GDB : John Lydon ('Johnny Rotten' of the Sex Pistols), was booked on PA103, but his wife took too much time packing, they had a row, missing the flight.
33 Warren747sp : It may not be a good idea to rent the video for Final Destination then. Sooner or later It will get U.
34 Keego : A few years ago I was in JFK flying home to DUB, I cant remember the flight number I think it might have been EI106 but how and ever, we were delayed
35 EFCar98 : not to be a prick, but it was HB-IWF
36 Post contains images Mainliner : This one hits home with me, as the instructor was a Purdue student. I didn't know him personally, but a lot of my friends did. Very sad news to start
37 Warren747sp : I was fortunate enough to be on the following plane while it was still flying faithfully. Pan Am 741 China Air 742 China Air A300-600 Mandarin Air MD-
38 ANITIX87 : Thanks for correcting me. I was on HB-IWF, the doomed airframe, not HB-IWC. I had it right in the last thread I told the story in, haha. TIS
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