NEMA From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 728 posts, RR: 0 Posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 13206 times:
Having just replied to a thread regarding how safe is flying I thought I would mention a story of a friend of mine.
Back in 1988, he was at Heathrow trying to get a cheap discounted passage to Australia. Having already spoken with the Qantas desk to no avail, he left his name there on standby and began checking other options. Some how, along the way he was offered the more labourious option of flying Pan-Am to New York and then connecting from there down to Aussie. Eventually he decided that this was probably going to be his best option to avoid losing a day or two whilst a more direct cheapy came available, which still wouldnt be guaranteed. So he put himself in a queue to purchase a ticket on what was to be the ill fated Pan-Am flight 103 to JFK.
He recalls about 6 people in front of him purchasing Pan-Am tickets, one in particular was annoying him for taking so much time at the desk when, he was paged over the tannoy to make his way to the Qantas desk. Tired but hopeful, he gave up his place in that Pan-Am queue to find that he was to be offered a late place on the Qantas flight.
He knew nothing of the Pan-Am disaster until 2 days later and even then, it was a month later on his return to the UK when he checked the flight times etc. that the Pan-Am flight 103 which was bombed, was the one he would have been on if not paged. He has often wondered if any of those that he stood alongside in that ticket queue were booking the same flight..
There isnt really a dark side to the moon, as a matter of fact its all dark!
PanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 13157 times:
He got horrifyingly close.
I have always kept good records of the planes I have flown on, but I did not start recording registry numbers until about ten years ago. I will always wonder in my mind if one of the United Or American 757's or TWA 747's or UA DC-10's I have flown on later came to grief.
I'm sure we all have wondered that.
Pan Am:The World's Most Experienced Airline - P(oor) S(ailor's) A(irline): San Diego's Hometown Airline-Catch Our Smile!
YLWbased From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2006, 844 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 13053 times:
i have two of those stories
1) i was booked on Dragonair (KA) flights from HKG-HKT on Dec.23, 2004, but for some tech reason, my flight was cancelled and i was given a refund since the next aviliable flight is 2 days later. The next day when i turn on the TV after i got back from supper, i saw a cam shot towards the hotel that i suppose to stay in (Holiday Inn) was completely washed out by tsunami...... If i was on that flight, i'm probly dead.........
2) I think lots of ppl here would recall this incident - China Airlines CI611.
i was booked on that flight on May25th, 2005, 4days after my birthday. Planed to return from taiwan to hong kong after my bday trip TPE-HKG. due to terrible traffic condition @ taipei at the time, i was too late for the flight, the check-in counter wouldn't issue me a boarding pass. I was then rearrage to another flight which will be departed 1.5hr later. The other day when I read the news paper, i saw the flight that i'm suppose to be on - CI-611 was crashed into the ocean with no one survive. if i made it on time to the airport, i will be one of those 225 poor soul....
Hong Kong is not China. Not better or worse, just different.
Lh463 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 68 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 13027 times:
The first airplane in my logbook, N4512Q, which I flew at a summer camp at Culver, Indiana in 01 crashed in the summer of 05 during the same camp. It was taking off and apparently experienced engine trouble which resulted in a ditch attempt in a near by lake. The instructor and student were both killed and the investigation is still not complete. May both of them rest in piece.
Usafokie From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 14 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 12765 times:
Similar story from a family friend.
A family friend worked at the Pentagon for a few years. Back in 2001, he had a couple weeks of extra leave that were going to expire at the end of the year, so he would take a day or two off every couple weeks or so to use up the leave. One of the days he took off was September 11. His office was entirely destroyed in the attack.
These stories are interesting, but I feel that it's a little pointless to dwell on them too much. I mean, there's no way to know that if someone had done something else, that ____ would have still happened, if you catch my drift.
Spartanmjf From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 514 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 12698 times:
In the Spring of 1987 I led a group of high school students to Europe over the Easter vacation. We have a photograph of ourselves standing in front of windows at FRA, and the name of our aircraft - the doomed PA jet - Clipper Maid of the Seas - is clearly visible.
Piercey From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 2233 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 12639 times:
My mom has a similar story as well.
On May 25, 1979, my mom was working a shift at a bar near ORD. An upset man walks in and asks for the phone. She points to where it is and he makes a few calls. Guy comes back to the counter, sobbing. Mom asks what's wrong. He goes on to say he was late for a flight. Turns out the flight he was late for was AA191. 'nuff said.
Well I believe it all is coming to an end. Oh well, I guess we are gonna pretend.
OttoPylit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 12479 times:
Well, nothing as dangerous, but in early 2002, I flew DL55 ATL-NRT on Ship 803DE, before connecting to a UA flight to ICN. About 2 weeks later, she went mudding while trying to land in a 55 knot crosswind in SNN(or DUB). Significant damage to the belly and engine.
And I returned from that NRT trip 10 days late on Ship 802DE. A couple years later, she catches fire during engine run-up in ATL and recieves very significant damage, needing Boeing to come out and repair her. Until then, she sits as an expensive paper-weight in the north corner of DL TechOps in ATL.
Lordanmol From India, joined May 2005, 441 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 12164 times:
Ive got a similar story my friends father told me after realizing how much I like aviation.
He was booked on board the ill fated plane Kanishka. As the flight was overbooked he decided to come earlier than normal and still they told him that you will be offloaded and will put you on a later Air Canada flight. He was hella angry and complained alot of times, but to no avail.
Once he arrived in London he realized Kanishka was no more and all the people on board are presumed dead.
Sadly his mother had no idea that he was offloaded as neither of them had a mobile nor did he have some money he could use in England to tell that he was safe.
So he made his way to Mumbai knowing that his mother probably thinks that he is dead.
His mother recieved a huge shock when he suddenly turned up in his home as all of them thought that he was one of the dead passengers onboard Kanishka.
BHMBAGLOCK From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 12136 times:
I had a friend, now dead, who only missed 103 by having a near fatal accident in Saudi Arabia days before the flight. Here's a link to more info on this and other close calls that earned him the nickname of "Dead Man".
QXatFAT From Israel, joined Feb 2006, 2405 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 11904 times:
Quoting Lh463 (Reply 4): The first airplane in my logbook, N4512Q, which I flew at a summer camp at Culver, Indiana in 01 crashed in the summer of 05 during the same camp. It was taking off and apparently experienced engine trouble which resulted in a ditch attempt in a near by lake. The instructor and student were both killed and the investigation is still not complete. May both of them rest in piece.
Was that done by a christian organisation? A fellow college student in Michigan who I roomed with was friends with another flight schooling guy that crashed in Lake Michigan and parished with his instructor.
My dads co-wokers daughter was in New York during the 9/11 attacks. She was suppost to be on one of the UA flights to SFO. She canciled the flight and re-booked for the next day so she could see the World Trade Center. She was at the World Trade Center when her flight went right into the towers. She was under the Manzaneen or whatever it is called when it hit. She survived by running out. Thank you Lord!
OttoPylit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11800 times:
Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 10): Otto, wow, 802 is still out there? Sure sad to see such a great bird wait and wait and wait...
No, she finally left last fall. Boeing came out, fixed her up, and then she was on her way to YUL. Which is odd, because last time I saw her up close last spring, she looked fit to scrap, removed engines and everything.
Kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12594 posts, RR: 34
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 10847 times:
I only ever flew TWA once, in July 1989, from BOS to JFK. The aircraft was N93119 ... which was later lost as TW 800.
That Delta MD11 which had an accident at Dublin was the subject of an investigation by the Irish AAIU (Air Accident Investigations Unit); it was ruled that the gust which resulted in the plane going off-piste was not something the crew could have done anything about. It was the captain's last trip before retirement (presumably the return trip would have been his last), so I was glad he was cleared of blame, although it was sad that his last flight had to end like that.
A340600 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 4106 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 10234 times:
Quoting Cxsjr (Reply 16): Back in 1997, I was lucky enough to cross the Atlantic on this beautiful bird ....
Does anyone else remember that story from the AF crash? Apparently there were two families trying to check-in and only room for one. They had to toss a coin, the "unlucky" family would end up on the normal jet to New York and so thought they'd be slower but in fact the others never even left Paris...
All very wierd, proves IMO there's such a thing as fate
Despite the name I am a Boeing man through and through!
Rams777 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 9862 times:
I remember when the Swiss MD-11 crashed. Marc Rosset (Swiss Pro Tennis Player) was beat in either the 1st or 2nd round of the U.S Open in New York. He booked to fly back home on that fatal flight but decided to have an extra day shopping in NY.. Chilling Thought