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Virgin Atlantic Clamps Down On Baggage  
User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13745 posts, RR: 19
Posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6175 times:

Virgin Atlantic is making an "adjustment" to baggage allowances.

Arguably the most notable thing is:

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PREMIUM ECONOMY & ECONOMY BAGGAGE ALLOWANCES BY PIECE

On Transatlantic, Caribbean and Nigerian routes we operate a piece system of allowance for checked in baggage.

Premium Economy: Two pieces of luggage per passenger, each weighing up to 32kg (70lbs). When added together, the three dimensions of any piece of luggage must not exceed 158cm (62in).

Economy: Two pieces of luggage per passenger, each weighing up to 23kg (51lbs). When added together, the three dimensions of any piece of luggage must not exceed 158cm (62in).
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I think they are following in the footsteps of NWA, Emirates (from JFK) and Air Canada among others.

I suppose this has more to do with fuel then anything else.

Virgin Atlantic is 49% owned by Singapore Airlines Limited.

Source: Virgin Atlantic


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User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6125 times:

What was the previous allowed baggage? I think 2 pieces is still pretty good, especially on caribbean flights, which is most likely leisure travel.


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User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13745 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5998 times:

Previously it was 2 pieces, each weighing up to 32kg = 64 kg in total.


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User currently offlineAmmunition From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2002, 1065 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5925 times:

slightly off topic, but why is the transatlantic baggage allowance usually higher than the for example, uk-asia?


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User currently offlineAerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7268 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5909 times:

Good. Nobody needs to travel with 64kg anyway. It's good they are cutting down on allowances like everyone elseto keep things consistent. Personally I would prefer when we all have the 1 piece at 23kg allowance.

User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3262 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5771 times:

Quoting Aerorobnz (Reply 4):
Nobody needs to travel with 64kg anyway. It's good they are cutting down on allowances like everyone elseto keep things consistent. Personally I would prefer when we all have the 1 piece at 23kg allowance.

Hardly true. I'd like to see you manage with 1 23KG bag when you have to travel for a 3 month assignment to another country. You need a full set of clothes, shoes, jackets etc., besides anything specific like eatables. On the way back, hopefully you have some shopping as well.

Your point is valid for a 2 day business trip from NYC-SFO return (same country/culture etc.). But not when travelling for a longer assignment across borders.



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User currently offlineSoups From Ghana, joined Jun 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5637 times:

Quoting Aerorobnz (Reply 4):
Good. Nobody needs to travel with 64kg anyway

Come on! looking at your country flag i doubted to see this answer. West/east africa lfights are full with bags, especially those from Dubai, USA and Europe.
if u have 2 empty suitcases that about 10kilos on their own



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User currently onlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3932 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5588 times:

Good to see some clamping down!

I await the day most airlines start to clamp down on the size of people's hand luggage!


User currently offlineHS748 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5579 times:

Quoting Soups (Reply 6):
if u have 2 empty suitcases that about 10kilos on their own

Only if the'yre made of concrete!


User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3262 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5579 times:

Quoting HS748 (Reply 8):
Only if the'yre made of concrete!

I take it you've never weighed empty 28" or 32" bags. (I'm talking about hardback suitcases here - the mid-priced ones).



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User currently offlineCopper1 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 439 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5525 times:

I agree with airlines clamping down but agree more with VASU and eagarly await the airlines clamping down on carry on luggage. With airline restrictions on checked baggage increasing, I suspect bigger and more dangerously, heavier carry ons as people try to avoid too much/heavy checked bags. Very little about flying upsets me more than that "special" traveller who thinks the carry on rules should be applied to everyone but themselves and they cry bloody murder as they try to carry on bags bigger than most 5 year old kids.

User currently offlineAerorobNZ From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7268 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5404 times:

Quoting Nimish (Reply 5):
I'd like to see you manage with 1 23KG bag when you have to travel for a 3 month assignment to another country.

I have. I survived comfortably coming back from a year in England with that allowance, and and it is very easy to survive on 14-15kg for a month - have done that on 3 other continents so far. I just don't travel with all the unnecessary stuff. It's not hard, people just take that much because they can.

Quoting Nimish (Reply 5):
You need a full set of clothes, shoes, jackets etc., besides anything specific like eatables. On the way back, hopefully you have some shopping as well.


Why would I take food with me??I just buy what I need when I need it at my destination - same with clothes. If I can't afford to buy clothes then I stick to a core set of clothes. Backpacking is the best way to learn to pack lightly, cos then you reap the benefits by not having a heavy bag on your back.

Quoting Nimish (Reply 9):
(I'm talking about hardback suitcases here - the mid-priced ones).

The same ones that are always warped by the mechanical arm on the luggage belts you mean?? Hard cases do nothing except restrict how much you can take inside. Time and again I see the hard samsonites getting destroyed after one use.

Quoting Copper1 (Reply 10):
Very little about flying upsets me more than that "special" traveller who thinks the carry on rules should be applied to everyone but themselves and they cry bloody murder as they try to carry on bags bigger than most 5 year old kids.

agreed. That's why I love stopping people at the gate and telling them they'll have to gatecheck or relenquish it.


User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5114 times:

Quoting AerorobNZ (Reply 11):
Time and again I see the hard samsonites getting destroyed after one use.

I've had mine for over ten years, still perfect. However I do agree that the newer ones seem to be less durable. And they do protect your stuff much better. Unless you only pack clothes of course, but when on holiday i also do some shopping, and not only for clothes.



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User currently offlineCainanuk From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2002, 551 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5037 times:

Quoting Ammunition (Reply 3):
slightly off topic, but why is the transatlantic baggage allowance usually higher than the for example, uk-asia?

Basically, the world has been divided into two areas, A and B, by IATA. Picture a flattened map of the world. North and South America is Area A and the rest of the world is area B. Baggage allowance From B to A is 2 pieces up to 32 kilos (maximum) or 23 kilos (minimum) each. Carriers can be generous (like BD) and allow the full monty or can go as low as the minimum. So either transatlantic or trans pacific, you follow the pieces concept. Flights within an area (ie A to A or B to B - or UK-Asia as you asked) follow the weight rule which is as follows (max set up by IATA) F class 40kg, C 30kg and Y 20kg. The amount of bags that it takes to get up to your allowed weight is irrelevant, just the weight limits apply.

So for example, Area A to B flights such as LHR-ORD, or B to A such as BKK-SFO equals pieces. LHR-SYD, even though much further in distance, is still all within Area B so the weight rule applies.

I know this because I am going through my CSA course with BD at the moment and we spent 2 days last week on this subject alone. Hope that helps.



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User currently offlineLHR777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4724 times:

Quoting Cainanuk (Reply 13):
Baggage allowance From B to A is 2 pieces up to 32 kilos (maximum) or 23 kilos (minimum) each. Carriers can be generous (like BD) and allow the full monty or can go as low as the minimum.

23 kilos minimum? So I have to take at least 23kg of crap with me when I fly on BD? That's nuts!  Wink

Also, the Area A, Area B thing doesn't always apply. I know BD don't fly there, but LHR to LOS/ABV/PHC is all area B, but the 2-piece allowance applies.

FYI, BA is also switching to 23kg max per piece across the board sometime during the summer. This includes First Class and Club World.


User currently offlineCainanuk From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2002, 551 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4600 times:

I meant to say that 23 kilos is what the airlines have to AT LEAST allow passengers. Hope that makes sense.


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User currently offlineSllevin From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4538 times:

Quoting AerorobNZ (Reply 11):
I have. I survived comfortably coming back from a year in England with that allowance

And clearly you don't travel with women.  Smile I swear my wife's toiletries are 23kg!

Steve


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4802 posts, RR: 44
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4521 times:

Virgin Atlantic shouldnt have implemented this policy until BA did so because as a result of this they will suffer big time on key "baggage oriented routes" such as from North America via LHR to Nigeria and India especially.

Nigerians and Indians travel with bulky heavy suitcases and they will not appreciate this 18KG of less weight i.e. 32-23 : 9 less KG per suitcase.

If BA offers good fares then passengers will gladly hop on board BAs flights from these 2 regions and not pay excess baggage fines.

BA and Air India should take full advantage of their baggage allowance policies by marketing it to the masses thus resulting in them getting more pax on their North America-India bound flights compared to LH-AF-KL-OS-AC-EK-VS who all offer 23KG allowance per suitcase only.


User currently offlineKdm From New Zealand, joined Feb 2006, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4472 times:

I flew to NZ by myself with 15kg's and returned by myself but carrying my wife's extra baggage that she did not need whilst she stayed in NZ for a bit longer and had 48kg!

Luckily the airline did not charge me extra due to my FF status but the woman checking in next to me was in the process of being charged $1000NZ for her 1 large suitcase and 1 quite full back pack. She was not happy, but then the ticket does say 20kg. Don't know what the outcome was but their was a bit of shouting going on.


User currently offlineN754PR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4420 times:

VS are famous for being very tight about their luggage and not letting you get away with ANYTHING over the limit. This along with their crap Y class seats is a reason I will not fly them.

User currently offlineRdwootty From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 904 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4401 times:

It always amazes me that the US has such a grand allowance. The general allowance is 20kgs for Y pax and I have never understood why the US/Carib should be different.You US people should try some airlines that allow 15kgs or even charge per bag an ecess on all baggage checked in.. I do agree aout the carry on in the US it should be stopped and only 5 kgs allowed that would shake you all up!

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21544 posts, RR: 59
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4401 times:

Quoting AerorobNZ (Reply 11):
I have. I survived comfortably coming back from a year in England with that allowance, and and it is very easy to survive on 14-15kg for a month - have done that on 3 other continents so far. I just don't travel with all the unnecessary stuff. It's not hard, people just take that much because they can.

Sorry, but you are full of crap.

First, if you happen to be tall and/or traveling to a cold place, your clothes will be much heavier than a short person going to the caribbean.

But beyond that, you assume nobody needs to bring ANYTHING but clothes with them on trips. Business people often need to bring documents, samples, equipment/cables etc. that take up space and weight.

I would like to see the allowances for econ be EITHER:

2 x 23kg
or
1 x 32kg



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User currently offlineSimong From Canada, joined Jan 2005, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4350 times:

One point that seems to be missed here is that many of the airlines are cutting back on the allowances to decrease the amount of employee injuries.
32 KGS is just too much for staff to haul around ! With new security measures bags are handled by far more people through far more channels. I can't count how many times I have seen passengers completely unable to lift their own bags onto the check in counter scale ..... but expect the agents to jump out and do it for them and complain if we don't !



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26605 posts, RR: 75
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4306 times:

Quoting AerorobNZ (Reply 11):
Backpacking is the best way to learn to pack lightly, cos then you reap the benefits by not having a heavy bag on your back.

There comes a point in life were you have to get over backpacking. Sure, I have survived (pre-9/11) in Europe for a month on 2 carry-ons before, that doesn't mean I would do that now. Also, if you ever had to travel with suits, sweaters, shoes for different things (I am not going to wear desert boots to the gym and I am not going to wear sneakers when in a suit), jeans (they are not light, etc. you know that the weight is going to add up really quickly. All this doesn't even factor in the fact that the bag itself is already eating up some of your allowance.



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User currently offlineSevenHeavy From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 1156 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4260 times:

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 17):
Virgin Atlantic shouldnt have implemented this policy until BA did so because as a result of this they will suffer big time on key "baggage oriented routes" such as from North America via LHR to Nigeria and India especially.

The "baggage orientated routes" are actually the routes to HKG, PVG, NRT, JNB, CPT. These routes are actually getting a slight increase in allowance. Routes to North America rarely cause any issue. LOS could certainly be classed as "baggage orientated", however the difference here is that the Nigerians rarely have any trouble paying for their excess if required, as the cost is relatively low compared to far eastern destonations.

Quoting N754PR (Reply 19):
VS are famous for being very tight about their luggage and not letting you get away with ANYTHING over the limit. This along with their crap Y class seats is a reason I will not fly them.

Fair enough. However it never ceases to amaze me how, despite having an easy to read limit noted on your ticket, as well as information given by reservations and on the internet, airline staff are always treated incredulously (and quite often abusively) when informing passengers that they have over their baggage allowance. In almost every case it is always everyone elses fault but the passenger who has the excess!

The bottom line is that if you turn up with excess luggage then you should be prepared to pay for it, instead of blaming the airline for being strict. The airline industry seems to be a prime target for the "something for nothing" brigade who don't actually want to pay extra for anything and then blame the airline when they don't get it for free. Its like booking a single room at a hotel, turning up with 10 family members and telling the hotel you need an extra three rooms for free to accomodate them!. (an extreme example I know, but the principle is the same).

Rant over  Wink

p.s. I agree about the VS economy seats but the new ones just fitted to G-VWIN are superb. They allow an extra 2 inches of legroom and have lumbar support and a superb adjustable headreast.

Regards



So long 701, it was nice knowing you.
25 N1120A : The VS checked bag rules are not entirely awful, or even out of the norm these days, but I do have a serious issue with their carry on rules. 6 kilos
26 Ikramerica : While I agree 70 lbs is heavy, if it's so detrimental, why don't they bad 51+ pound bags altogether, rather than allowing 50-70lbs for F, J and Y+ an
27 Lufthansa747 : This has nothing to do with the VS rules. Even with worldwide 20K rule, maximum bag weight is usually 32kg, whether you pay for the access, travel in
28 LHR777 : Nice idea, unfortunately it makes no sense for BA to do this, when we're reducing our baggage allowance in 2 months time. What's the point of marketi
29 Lufthansa747 : If that's the case, I stand corrected. But within the past 6 months or so I recall reading various press realeases about reduced baggage allowance wi
30 LHR777 : Again, I don't know about VS, but BA is reducing the max bag weight to 23kg. We'll probably have a 2kg 'discretion', up to a total of 25kg. The UK He
31 Zkpilot : Just to clarify this for those who don't seem to understand.. There are 2 systems... the "Piece" system and the "Weight" system. The Piece system allo
32 Lufthansa747 : That's how I have always understood it but according to LHR777, BA is changing that to 23kg max.
33 Bond007 : Agreed, but then you're not the average passenger. Let your company pay the excess. Then that's freight/cargo, and if it means going over your allowa
34 Post contains images Zkpilot : BA would be one of the odd ones out then. I've seen passengers repacking 40kg bags!! Its funny because they can't lift them by themselves so I don't
35 GVWOW : When I went on VS a while ago (with a 60lb. checked suitcase), the agent noticed that I collected stickers from old trips on my bag (which I do). She
36 Aerorobnz : That's right, but if you learn it in the beginning you don't forget it in later life when packing suitcases. Well I did anyway. Quite. Biz Travellers
37 Speedbird2155 : LHR777, not sure if you are aware or what your views are on this matter, but this issue is still on-going and from what I have heard, both cabin crew
38 N1120A : Again, whether using a backpack or using a suitcase, packing that lightly is still the same. 6 kilos is less than 1 stone (6 kilos = 13 pounds). That
39 Sllevin : This whole thread hada me interested, so I packed up what I would consider the minimum 3 month amount of clothing for a non-topical destination like,
40 747400F : Remind me never to travel BA if that is the case. Imagine 300 23 kg's "hand bags" flying through the cabin in turbulence! Good for her!
41 Simong : Quoting Simong (Reply 22): One point that seems to be missed here is that many of the airlines are cutting back on the allowances to decrease the amou
42 Speedbird2155 : It is indeed a health and safety issue. Think of repeatedly trying to help passengers lift bags that often weigh more than they should under current
43 A340600 : Is this Y or Y+?
44 Post contains images Copper1 : If the travelling public has to pay extra for overweight bags, where is the discount for underweight bags or no bags at all. I guarantee I would fly a
45 Post contains images Zkpilot : I hear that Ryan Air is looking at/doing this... cheaper airfares and charging for any luggage on certain ticket types. Yes it is a health and safety
46 N1120A : And not all people want to fork out for a new wardrobe when on a trip and even if they do, then they are over their weight limit. 6 kilos is horsepuc
47 Zkpilot : Doesn't need to be a wardrobe or anything significant, just some of the cheaper items that take up weight perhaps... Towels, socks, underwear, shampo
48 Kdm : I thought it was to prevent overloading of overhead lockers. I think that these are only "static tested" in that they are filled up to capacity and b
49 SevenHeavy : This is for economy. The new premium seats are also being tested on a couple of A346 and will be rolled out across the fleet from June. The are also
50 LGWspeedbird : I need to print this off and show pax this cos they always have arguments when cabin bags are over 6kg!! Didnt realise this, thought that they would
51 LHR777 : I am aware of the TU issues involved, and the fact that this change is communicated to staff in a very sporadic way. You may recall, initially, the c
52 Speedbird2155 : Yeah, I do recall. I was one of those who was very vocal about the initial suggestion. I will continue to be vocal about this new policy until it is
53 Aerorobnz : Not even bought. Why not just use what the hotel supplies...?? socks & underwear excepted of course. As you say, If you wash your used clothes every
54 Dallasnewark : Do any of you have wives/girl-friends? Apparently this is not the case. Good luck travelling with a woman under these baggage allowances
55 Zkpilot : Don't they go on these trips to shop?? you'll only be over your allowance on the return trip ;P lol I've seen beautiful women, average women and ugly
56 Zvezda : There is nothing at all wrong with taking 100 kg of stuff when travelling, but that passenger should pay the cost of transporting it, not expect to b
57 Dstc47 : On my last business trip, my obligatory papers to carry weighed over 7kg on the way out, presumably more on the way back. Easy to under estimate the w
58 AerorobNZ : Most women can pack less than that allowance. If they can't, by pooling with your luggage which is no doubt under the allowance they should be fine..
59 Zkpilot : lol yeah... the other one I've heard is... "but I'm moving..." .. you're moving and...? ever heard of freight?
60 Gr8Circle : An empty large sized suitcase weighs almost 5 kg....
61 N1120A : And those are all an added expense that if you buy them on every trip you take, ends up costing your significantly Then why not just elminate overhea
62 Lufthansa747 : Thank god this isn't applied everywhere. I'll have a good laugh when the TG interlined junk arrives at LHR and belts stop moving because of capable ba
63 CRJ900 : My and a buddy flew SAS LHR-OSL some months ago. It was a 73G and at check-in the CSA weighed our carry-ons and told my friend that his bag weighed 8,
64 Sllevin : For three months, I don't think three pairs of jeans and four sets of slacks is overkill at all. Slacks: black, grey, tan and one additional. jeans:
65 Zkpilot : Well if you are going to be living there then buy some when you are there.
66 Jetdeltamsy : It has everything to do with generating more revenue. Fuel and all other expenses are on the rise.
67 Post contains images Sllevin : Well, heck, why don't I just get a Concorde out of retirement and use that so I don't worry about luggage limits at all? It'd be silly to buy stuff y
68 Zkpilot : how expensive are some clothes (on top of the ones you will take with you) when you are spending 3 months in hotels etc etc... pocket change in compa
69 Post contains images Nimish : Right - if they would, I would, but they don't, so I can't. Remember, corporate standards are very different in different parts of the world, and whe
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