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Any Information On Porter Airlines  
User currently offlineYhmfan From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 607 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3270 times:

I was reading the Globe and Mail today and "porter Airline" had taken out a full page ad showing off their executives.
The ad was long on hype but very short on specifics other than they will fly out of YTS with Q400's.
I did a quick search and all I could find was the usual blurb in the financial press about their launch.
Anyone knows anything else about this airline? Destinations?


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User currently offlineJean Leloup From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2116 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3219 times:

www.flyporter.com

Their website was recently updated. They've placed a firm order for 10 Q400's.

Routes have not yet been announced, but will be so fairly soon, I believe, if they are still entending a fall 2006 start-date, as indicated on the website. It's been indicated that they will serve business destinations within 500 nm of Toronto. I think we could expect, for instance, YOW, YUL, DTW, and somewhere in New York or Chicago. I'm not sure what kind of frequency they are hoping for, so it's hard to say how many routes can be supported by 10 planes. One would think that the 6 routes handled above could each be handled by one plane each, if they are only going for 3 flights a day to each destination, for instance. We'll have to wait and see; I certainly do hope they get off the ground.

I don't think there's been an indication yet, however, as to whether they will operate YTZ as a 'hub', or just focus on point to point flights. I'm eager to know whether one could fly DTW-YUL while 'connecting' in YTZ, for instance. I'm not sure what kind of frequency they are hoping for, so it's hard to say how many routes can be supported by 10 planes. But I would expect to see a litlte more frequency than that, even initially, to YUL, YOW, and New York. They are going to have to offer convenience (read:frequency) if they are going to be successful at all.

Renovations to the terminal at YTZ are ongoing, and I'm not sure whether Jazz is still 'evicted' from the terminal, as they were earlier when Porter's parent comany purchased the buliding.

JL

p.s. By the way, YTZ= Toronto City Centre Airport, YTA = Timmins, On.



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User currently offlineIrobertson From Canada, joined Apr 2006, 601 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3200 times:

I'd like to see service to YXU, since Jazz's flights to YYZ are horrendously expensive and VIA Rail is only getting more pricey. Hell, they could compete with both NWA and Jazz by flying Detroit-London-Toronto. But more than likely it will be single destinations with operations being based out of YTZ. Personally, I'm quite excited as I've felt that YTZ could be a gold mine for the right regional airline. Too bad those stuffy buggers in their million dollar condos on the waterfront have issues with planes taking off and landing outside their living rooms. Poor guys.

User currently offlineJean Leloup From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2116 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3172 times:

Ian;

How are AC's loads YYZ-YXU? I've often wondered about that route. The possibility of YTZ-YXU-DTW is interesting, if they could have minimal stop-time in YXU, which seems doable.

JL

p.s. Sorry for my silly typo above. It's YTS that's Timmins, of course; not YTA.



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User currently offline9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1390 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3159 times:

Quoting Jean Leloup (Reply 3):
How are AC's loads YYZ-YXU?

I suspect the loads are good. What most people forget,is that most of Jazz's domestic routes exist to provide network feed.(provide no feed,then a route will be cancelled),it's that simple! The focus for Jazz is connection O&D feed,rather than point to point.


User currently offlineJean Leloup From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2116 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3146 times:

Quoting 9252fly (Reply 4):

Good point, and worth remembering for Porter, perhaps. On the other hand, though, didn't Jazz (or at least Air Ontario) at one point have YZ-YXU flights, as well. Presumably, those would have been point-to-point passengers, and I'd be curious to know how those flights did.

JL



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User currently offlineAirnova From Canada, joined Feb 2000, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3135 times:

Does YTZ have an ILS? If so which runway?

User currently offlineIrobertson From Canada, joined Apr 2006, 601 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3126 times:

It does, I believe its the 4000 foot Runway 08 that has one.

As far as the loads go, yes both NWA and AC rely on passengers to board connecting flights from London. However, as VIA Rail can assure, there are a lot of commuters going just to Toronto and AC's prices aren't exactly economical to the normal passenger. Having a LCC flying to YTZ from YXU might encourage more people to consider taking a quick flight rather than a 2-3 hour drive/train ride.

Also, Sunwing is flying a YHZ-YXU-YVR route twice a week all summer. They must think there's some market to be tapped from Londoners as well. My chum suggested that London would be a cheaper airport in southern ontario over Toronto, but in fact they are flying out of Toronto as well, to places like YQY, so that's not the reason for flying to London.

I can certainly say myself that I would seriously consider air travel to Toronto if there was a LCC offering flights.

Cheers
Ian


User currently offline9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1390 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3122 times:

Quoting Jean Leloup (Reply 5):
Good point, and worth remembering for Porter, perhaps. On the other hand, though, didn't Jazz (or at least Air Ontario) at one point have YZ-YXU flights, as well. Presumably, those would have been point-to-point passengers, and I'd be curious to know how those flights did.

All the regional carriers(Air BC,Air Ontario,Air Nova and Canadian Regional)prior to being intergrated into Jazz and it's capacity purchase agreement with AC,were keen to operate point to point services. That has changed and now it's all about feed. Up until the last couple of years,YTZ had flights to YUL and YXU as mentioned. Trust me,if they were such profitable flights,they would exist today! From what I recall,the YXU flights were dogs. Same can be said for YUL,the aircraft could be better utilized elsewhere.


User currently offlineIrobertson From Canada, joined Apr 2006, 601 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3058 times:

Again, it also has something to do with the frequency of service and the competitiveness of price with relation to other modes of transportation. YTZ-YXU can work, but it has to be competitive against taking the train or driving. $100 round trip ticket fare after taxes and I'd be on it. I'm sure someone could make it work.

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