Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Air Universal Cyprus  
User currently offlineSoups From Ghana, joined Jun 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 14
Posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3284 times:

Air Universal Cyprus is expecting its first Boeing 747-200B to land at Larnaca Airport on Monday. The aircraft 5B-AUD, the first 747 ever to be registered in Cyprus, was purchased from ANA. They are looking to fly from Larnaca and Paphos to destinations in the US, Canada, Latin America, China, India and Australia.
Is there demands for Cyprus-South America? or Cyprus-China? Well for South America if good connections from the middle east (DAM,DXB,BEY) the route will be succesfull


Next destinations, Suarabaya, beirut, paris, Accra
22 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlineIrobertson From Canada, joined Apr 2006, 601 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3267 times:

According to the Air Universal website:

" Air Universal fleet consists of:

· 5 x Boeing 747-230 Passenger Aircraft

· 2 x Lockheed Martin L1011 Aircraft

· 1 x Boeing 747-200 to join the fleet in May/Jun 2006.

· 2 x B737 or A320 projected to join the fleet during 2006."

Also:

" Air Universal is registered in the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan, Ministry of Industry and Trade."

If it's based in Jordan, and that 1x747-200 seems to indicate the incoming ANA 747, why register it in Cyprus? Also, if they own two L1011s, are there any pictures of them and where do they fly them to? Or are they just leased out? That would be neat to see on their flights to North America... I've not seen an L1011 since Air Transat had theirs.


User currently offlinePIA747 From Pakistan, joined Apr 2003, 624 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3230 times:

Air Universal is primarily an ACMI operator. Their main business is Hajj and Omra (Muslim Pilgrimage) charters to Saudi Arabia. In Hajj 2006 both L1011s were flying for Libyan Arab Airlines where as 3 B747s were flying for PIA. Currently they hold a Sierra Leone AOC, this limits their operation to Asia and Africa. With a Cyprus AOC, it will open the highly profitable European charter market for them. You can find all the pictures in the A.net database.

User currently offlineViasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 1894 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3207 times:

Quoting PIA747 (Reply 2):
With a Cyprus AOC, it will open the highly profitable European charter market for them

They need this AOC for the charterflights because of the world football champonship in Germany.


User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4514 posts, RR: 53
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3191 times:

If I recall correctly during the mid-90s, Gulf Air operated a service BAH-LCA-JFK with an A340. Does anyone remember this? Am I just on crack or did this service really exist?

Anyway, that routing obviously doesn't exist anymore so my guess would be that even with the feed from BAH, there wasn't enough business to keep the route alive (unless there were other reasons pertaining to its demise).

In my experience expatriate Greeks and Cypriots don't tend to stray too far from home. You'll find them going to the UK for instance, but you won't find them going out to the US or South America nearly as often.

Therefore to answer Soups' question I serioulsy can't see how they're going to be able to fill a 747 flying the route. Plus do they even have a network to facilitate connections? Lastly, Larnaca airport, unless it has changed significantly in the last few years, isn't exactly the ideal place to connect through (nevermind the fact that have they even got a gate capable of accomodating the 400 something passengers that would fill a 747?). They haven't even got jetways at LCA...this mission doesn't have success written all over it.

Lastly I would think that high fare paying passengers would take a connection anyway, since Air Universal hasn't established itself as an equal to the Europeans.



PARIS, FRANCE...THE BEIRUT OF EUROPE.
User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4514 posts, RR: 53
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3187 times:

Just to answer my own question, I remember now that when I was living in Cyprus in the early 90s, Iran Air used to fly into LCA with their 747s and that would literally be disastrous for the airport's already poor immigration and baggage collection facilities.

One other point - does the US have an active air service agreement with Cyprus?



PARIS, FRANCE...THE BEIRUT OF EUROPE.
User currently offlineRaffik From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 1718 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3185 times:

Doesn't Saudi operate (or have they?) 747-100s into LCA on a scheduled basis?
It would be convinient to catch a 40 minute flight on ME to LCA and connect to a direct service to JFK etc. Otherwise, I don't think the market of Cyprus alone would sustain this air service.

On a side note, has Cyprus ever operated to America?



Happy -go- lucky kinda guy!
User currently offlinePIA747 From Pakistan, joined Apr 2003, 624 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3172 times:

Air Universal is really not targetting the Cyprus market. It sees Cyprus as a passport to Europe. Last year a Spanish Tour operator contacted Air Universal to operate a few flights from Mardrid to Cuba, the Spanish Civil aviation Authority did not recognize the Sierra Leone AOC. With the Cyprus AOC in place Air Universal will join the ranks of Air Plus Comet, Air Pullmantur and Air Atlanta in Europe.

User currently offlineClipperNo1 From Germany, joined May 1999, 672 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3145 times:

Quoting Viasa (Reply 3):
They need this AOC for the charterflights because of the world football champonship in Germany.

Well they better hurry....
Not sure how long it will take them to comply with all JAA rules, get a Cyprus AOC AND (!!!) get off the EU Blacklist.

Will they keep the name Air Universal?



"I really don't know one plane from the other. To me they are just marginal costs with wings."� Alfred Kahn, 1977
User currently offlinePIA747 From Pakistan, joined Apr 2003, 624 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3138 times:

Air Universal is black listed due to non-compliance of Sierra Leone CAA. All Airlines with Sierra Leone AOC are on the EU black list. A switch to Cyprus will make it a welcome visitor.

User currently offlineClipperNo1 From Germany, joined May 1999, 672 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3125 times:

Still they are up for a special audit board to get off the blacklist...

BTW we had the same disscusion a good year ago:
RE: Jordan's Air Universal Plans Cyprus Hub (by PIA747 Jul 22 2005 in Civil Aviation)#ID2233057

From an outisde view, not a whole lot as changed so far.



"I really don't know one plane from the other. To me they are just marginal costs with wings."� Alfred Kahn, 1977
User currently offlineMelpax From Australia, joined Apr 2005, 1640 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3120 times:

Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 4):
In my experience expatriate Greeks and Cypriots don't tend to stray too far from home. You'll find them going to the UK for instance, but you won't find them going out to the US or South America nearly as often.

There is a large greek & cypriot immigrant population in oz, in Melbourne especially (Melbourne has the largest Greek population outside of Greece) I dare say that if the price is right, they'll do heaps of business flying Greek/Cypriot immigrants & their descendants (which there's plenty of) back 'home' for their regular trips.



Essendon - Whatever it takes......
User currently offlinePIA747 From Pakistan, joined Apr 2003, 624 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3046 times:

Is it possible to track the flight plan for this one on Monday.

User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3972 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3011 times:

Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 4):
Lastly, Larnaca airport, unless it has changed significantly in the last few years, isn't exactly the ideal place to connect through

Last year when I flew into LCA there was some building work going on with the baggage reclaim area, but nothing else showed signs of improving...

... it all looks like a shady business to me...


User currently offlineCYatUK From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 811 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2951 times:

Quoting Vasu (Reply 13):
Last year when I flew into LCA there was some building work going on with the baggage reclaim area, but nothing else showed signs of improving...

Hi

Cyprus Government has signed a BOOT (Build, Own, Operate, Transfer) contract with Hermes Airports Consortium that will see the latter investing approximately 500million euros to build brand new Passenger Terminals at both Larnaca and Paphos airports.

The final deal is expected to be signed in mid-May and the building works to commence soon after this. The concession is for 25 years.

Initially Larnaca airport will have a capacity of 7.5 million passengers per year with option to be increased to 9.0 million. The new building will be located to the west of the existing Terminal (near the new ATC) and will be ready in late 2009.

Paphos airport will have an initial capacity of 2.7 million passengers per year and the new building will be located adjacent to the existing Terminal.

In the meantime the existing airports will be managed by Hermes Airports Plc. Part of the BOOT deal is the improvement of the existing facilities (new baggage reclaim area, improved parking etc) that will improve the performance of the old Terminals until the new ones are ready.



CY@Uk
User currently offlinePIA747 From Pakistan, joined Apr 2003, 624 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2893 times:

Can any body check where this aircraft is flying in from, and when does it get into Larnaca?

User currently offlineEE-Kay From Ireland, joined Nov 2001, 152 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2837 times:

I think that after the mid-summer Helios tragedy of last year, this new Cyprus startup will be heavily scrutinised in the EU, and rightly so.

I see this as a clear attempt at finding loopholes around the regulations to bypass and compromise on safety for the sake of saving costs and making some quick bucks. Shame on the aviation authorities in the EU for letting this to happen. The Helios tragedy should have taught them a lesson.


User currently offlineCY319 From Cyprus, joined Apr 2006, 396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2826 times:

i agree with EE-KAY.

i doubt about the success of this airline.
aged fleet, risky network ... it wont make a good name in the market.



wanna be travel buddies ,sex buddies .. or both ?
User currently offlinePIA747 From Pakistan, joined Apr 2003, 624 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2741 times:

Any news on this subject? i hear it never happened on Monday.

User currently offlineElVen From Greece, joined Apr 2006, 33 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2718 times:

It was not seen in LCA on Monday

[Edited 2006-04-19 23:25:27]

User currently offlineElVen From Greece, joined Apr 2006, 33 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2713 times:

Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 4):
If I recall correctly during the mid-90s, Gulf Air operated a service BAH-LCA-JFK with an A340. Does anyone remember this? Am I just on crack or did this service really exist?

You remember right, the service existed under a code sharing agreement between Cyprus Airways and Gulf Air.

Cyprus Airways never flew to US.

LCA is a small airport, the largest planes they can handle now are B767 A330 and A340 I know that terminals will be upgrated but that will take some time.

Is going to be a true challenge to have a 25-30 year old B742 fully loaded trying to take off on a hot summer day from the runway in Larnaca.  weightlifter 


User currently offlineTundra767 From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2005, 430 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2680 times:

LOL I flew into and out of LCA many times on a fully loaded Tri Star you could tell we used every inch....

User currently offlineUK_Dispatcher From United Arab Emirates, joined Dec 2001, 2597 posts, RR: 30
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2640 times:

Quoting ElVen (Reply 20):
Is going to be a true challenge to have a 25-30 year old B742 fully loaded trying to take off on a hot summer day from the runway in Larnaca.

This has never stopped Air Atlanta from flying into LCA. They even fly (or have flown) into PFO, which I imagine is a much smaller airport (I've never been to LCA, so can't compare.)


Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
Air Universal Cyprus posted Sat Apr 15 2006 03:19:32 by Soups
Jordan's Air Universal Plans Cyprus Hub posted Sun Jul 10 2005 16:40:51 by PIA747
Air Universal Out Of EU Black List posted Sun Oct 8 2006 16:29:24 by CYatUK
Air Universal B747 @ Amsterdam On 13th posted Sat Mar 12 2005 22:19:32 by PIA747
Air Universal Charter Madrid -Varadero posted Sun Mar 6 2005 10:23:31 by PIA747
Air Universal (Jordan) 3rd B747-200 posted Sat Feb 26 2005 17:54:59 by PIA747
Air Universal B747-200 To AMS On 15th Oct. posted Fri Oct 15 2004 03:43:49 by PIA747
Air Universal B747-200 Into AMS On 9th August posted Sun Aug 8 2004 11:59:43 by PIA747
Air Universal B747-200 (Jordan) posted Sun Nov 30 2003 06:15:03 by PIA747
Air Evacuations From Cyprus posted Sat Jul 22 2006 05:04:53 by Wjcandee