PanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2601 posts, RR: 10 Posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8972 times:
Anybody have a compilation of routes that didn't work for LCCs? From the likes of WN, B6, FL, etc. It's (IMO) interesting to see what they just couldn't make work.
I'll start off with B6.
ATL-LGB
ATL-OAK
IAD-SMF
JFK-SDQ
EDIT: European airlines like FR, U2, etc. as well!
JetBlueAtJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1687 posts, RR: 4 Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8939 times:
Insert all DH routes here:____
Anyway, I think FL dropped CUN-ATL, that could count as one. I don't know what happened to that.
JetBlueAUS From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1145 posts, RR: 8 Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8939 times:
WN:
HOU-SAN (N/S)
B6:
EWR-TPA
Not all of us can be heroes, some of us can only stand on the sidewalk and clap as they go by.
CMHSRQ From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 985 posts, RR: 4 Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8922 times:
Quoting JetBlueAtJFK (Reply 1): Anyway, I think FL dropped CUN-ATL, that could count as one. I don't know what happened to that.
717-200 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 601 posts, RR: 3 Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8889 times:
FL:
ATL-GSO
ATL-TLH
ATL-TOL
ATL-TYS
MLI-LAS
PIT-LGA
PIT-PHL
PIT-MDW
TLH-TPA
TPA-MIA
and probably a few others that escape my memory.
Flyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 2 Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8862 times:
SWA:
ISP-PVD
IND-LAX
BUR-RNO
BUR-MDW
SFO-SAN (really only due to ATC delays)
SFO -PHX (same)
Hjulicher From Liechtenstein, joined Feb 2005, 847 posts, RR: 2 Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8853 times:
Didn't spirit drop DTW-DEN? Is frontier in the same group of LCC's as SW and AirTran and Spirit. Their fares are equivolent to those by legacies on some routes.
MSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6242 posts, RR: 51 Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8815 times:
Spirit dropped FLL-DEN. They used to run a daily M80 on the route. A former manager of mine used to be NK's manager in DEN and now he's in jail on some big time charges. And he seemed like such a nice guy!
ERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6626 posts, RR: 19 Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8802 times:
Airlinebrat From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 634 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8780 times:
It seems like the transcon routes have been the most troublesome for LCC's. B6 is making it work most of the time (JFK but not as much with IAD) but I have noticed many others giving up after a try. The first two airlines that come to mind are ATA and America West.
I'm leavin on a jet plane. Don't know when I'll be back again....
Mikey711MN From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1380 posts, RR: 8 Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8772 times:
SY: MSP-DTW circa early-2000's IIRC.
(talk about wrath-of-God type retaliation from the red tail...)
AirRyan From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2529 posts, RR: 6 Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8704 times:
When did they pull that one? I would have thought it would be okay since CO operates out of IAH and WN out of HOU but I guess not. I rode that route via a stop in ELP to MCRD back in '97 - oh the memories and my how time has flown by!
Trvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 24 Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8653 times:
It was a Saturday-only service maybe a year or two ago. If it's any consolation, while it didn't get picked up daily by WN, CO has expanded their SAN-IAH schedule significantly since then.
FlyBaby From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 88 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8577 times:
Quoting 717-200 (Reply 4): and probably a few others that escape my memory.
ERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6626 posts, RR: 19 Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8556 times:
Cadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9081 posts, RR: 34 Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8473 times:
I was expecting such a reply. Sure, the above mentioned airlines do fly into Fresno...they do on a very limited basis. (I'll admit I still forget about F9)
But a true, dyed in the wool LCC, with conveniently timed flights to the top destinations, is still sorely missing from Fresno.
For the most part Fresno is being treated as an after-thought by many airlines...but I have a feeling that is about to change.
HPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3665 posts, RR: 8 Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8415 times:
HP to NGO....probably in the top 5 worst routes of all time
SJCRRPAX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 8303 times:
Quoting Flyboy7974 (Reply 5): SFO-SAN (really only due to ATC delays)
Are you sure ?? I thought WN left SFO because they didn't want to pay the airport fees. There are about 20 WN flights/day to SAN from OAK, SJC got 10 (plus about 15 more on AA and Alaska), and SAC's got 13. Would the ATC delays at SFO be bad enough to make that route not work??
Srbmod From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 16888 posts, RR: 51 Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 8273 times:
Quoting JetBlueAtJFK (Reply 1): Anyway, I think FL dropped CUN-ATL, that could count as one. I don't know what happened to that.
They never even started the route. They still hold the traffic rights, it's just no start date has ever been established as a result of Wilma.
Quoting FlyBaby (Reply 14):
Yes, I think there was ATL-VPS too at some point.
They moved their flights to PNS because at the time, VPS was getting ready to undertake building a new terminal on the site of the terminal, and flights were to operate out of a temporary terminal that was nothing more than a tent.
FL: ATL-BDL. The loads were never that good on the route; what kept them on the route as long as they did was the mail revenue the route provided.
25 Dsuairptman: Air Tran transfered the VPS service to PNS. They appear to be doing better there than at VPS.
26 Atrude777: out of STL.. WN dropped STL-IND, STL-MSY. Alex
27 WN57787: yes about 2 1/2 yrs ago it was sat only service. never was full STL-MSY was dropoed to to Hurrcain Katrina another bad rout for WN is BDL-PHL both wa
28 Atrude777: No it was not. it was dropped looooong time ago, before 1998. STL-IND was dropped right after 9/11. Alex
29 WN57787: was just talking to a Girl that worked the MSY station for WN until Katrina. and she said that thay had STL n/s out of msy.. up until the Rebuilding.
30 N1120A: They were a low fare carrier, not a low cost carrier Well, they dropped SFO completely. MSY-STL and MSY-MCI were both strong routes up until Katrina
31 Nkops: NK.. a few off the top of my head DEN-FLL DEN-DTW OAK-DTW LGA-MLB everything in ISP and EWR and PHL (years back) BOS-ACY probably a few others back a
32 BigGSFO: It's my understanding that yes, WN did drop SFO due to the ATC delays. With their tight turnarounds, a delay in SFO would ripple thru the system quic
33 WN57787: and WN starts service to PHL wht that ATC wow.. that is a mess for any Airline
34 Atrude777: I need to see proof of that, MSY was opened as a started route for STL when Southwest initiated STL service. MSY was soon shortly dropped, long befor
35 AlitaliaMD11: FL also dropped ATL-SWF a while ago.
36 WN57787: She is telling me it is 3 NS a day. ill have to look it up in the Data Base.
37 Amciver: EZ LPL-LTN didn't last long. Shame becase the West Coast UK Mainline train service between London and Liverpool was a joke at the time.
38 Atrude777: I would love to be proven wrong, but I just havent seen that anywhere. Or do you mean that right now?! Alex
39 PanAm330: I'll add a bit more to the pool here. WN IAH-anywhere. Dropped to focus on HOU as their solitary Houston station. Didn't FL have BUF-MCO back in the d
40 WN57787: CURRENT SERVICE: 13 daily nonstop departures to five cities: Dallas, Houston Hobby, Nashville, Orlando, and Tampa Bay. Additional direct or connecting
41 HPRamper: I'm surprised WN hasn't started up service back to PHX, since it's only a matter of time until US does.
43 Atrude777: I can't read that format, so WN had STL-MSY because the months I looked up for 2004, and 2005 were April, May and June and July and none of them had
44 Eastbay: WN, TUS-OAK. Loved that one as a jumpseater, unfortunately didn't ever seem to quite fill up. FL ran FLL-DFW a while back but it's gone now- not sure
45 PanAm330: I got it earlier; yes. OAK-BRU, not SFO.
46 FATFlyer: There was an interesting fare comparison today out of BFL as part of an article about fares at Bakersfield. http://www.bakersfield.com/102/story/4641
47 N1120A: Keep getting mixed messages here from HP/US. Sometimes they say both LAS and PHX are coming soon, sometimes they say not for quite a while. WN is add
48 Aviationwiz: Which brings up the failed F9 service, MSP-LAX.
50 FCYTravis: They're still flying it 1x daily, but the stats I've seen show WN's OAK-PHL service to have pretty abysmal load factors. Which is a shame, because it
52 A340Spotter: Pro Air's DET-PHL service was our worst one hands down. It was only flown to allow Chrysler employees the opportunity to fly on NW for cheaper fares t
53 Jbguller: unfortunately, and i hate to say this, pretty much any route by PacificBlue. They seem to be pulling out of a lot lately. Does anyone know how Jetstar
54 UPSMD11: Before ValuJet was Air Tran they tried ATL - SDF and it just didn't work. DL dropped the fares there and they ran away crying. I would love to see the
56 Fuffla: SYD-AVV is doing particularly well with 4 flights a day. AVV is becoming J*'s hub, with flights to ADL, SYD, MEL and PER. Brisbane and Adelaide both
57 BNinMSY: WN has not had MSY-STL nonstop service since at least 1999 - and I doubt they had it prior to '98. Either WN's press release is incorrect or someone a
58 Atrude777: Thank you, WN inititiated STL-MSY when they opened STL as a new city in 1985. That I do recall reading, but it had to be dropped pretty soon or at le
59 Swissgabe: - FlyBaboo failed on the GVA-ZRH vv route as Swiss Intl was too strong there - EasyJet with ALL flights in and out of ZRH as they moved to BSL. Guess
60 JoeCattoli: FR : TRN-GRO (Turin-BarcelonaGerona) Very Low Loads Ciao Joe
61 SJCRRPAX: I was curious so I researched this and you are exactly correct. I also found out that the landing fees at SFO were $18/PAX and OAK and SJC around $3.
63 FATFlyer: Roundtrip fares, looked at on April 5 for flights on May 2, so 4 weeks in advance. PHX and SFO fares out of Fresno have long been an issue for travel
64 DptMAN: In the UK & Europe: WW- BmiBaby dropped EMA-DUB,EMA-MUC,CWL-MUC,EMA-PSA,MAN-BCN,MAN-CDG BD - Bmi dropped LHR-Naples,LHR-LIN (under tiny bmiBaby fares
65 DLCnxgptjax: FL: GPT-HOU GPT-DFW GPT-BNA GPT-MCO Athough they were all subsidized.
66 Skymileman: America West Express dropped: BIL-PHX and BIL-LAS in January.
68 Ssides: And it still blows my mind that WN doesn't fly DAL-CRP or DAL-HRL.
69 FAT5DEP: The following is what I priced a few weeks ago out of FAT and SMF for 1 person. I like to support FAT but my wife and I could save $320 flying out of
70 Doninfc: Atrude777 is correct. I don't know exactly when WN dropped STL-MSY, but it only lasted a few years during the mid/late '80s and was never reinstated
71 Jean Leloup: Westjet briefly flew to YSB, YAM, and YTH. I forget whether the flights were to YHM, or YYZ. But they're all gone now. I'm not including their brief e
72 TxAgKuwait: >>And it still blows my mind that WN doesn't fly DAL-CRP or DAL-HRL
73 HPRamper: Strange that BFL has lower fares than FAT. Isn't FAT a larger market? These routes were only dropped because the Mesa planes could be used more profi
74 FAT5DEP: A co-worker of mine who lives in Visalia is planning on flying out of BFL instead of FAT because of cheaper fares.
75 FATFlyer: Yes but it seems BFL gets a benefit by being closer to BUR and LAX. Pricing seems to reflect the competition at BUR and LAX. BFL is only about a 90 m
77 Srbmod: They never operated any ATL-SWF flights. They flew MCO-SWF up until the Airways operation merged in with the Airlines side (the former Valujet), and
78 B757capt: How so you say ABE-PIE that was great run.
79 Flyingfool: Just a few from The Netherlands: Ryanair (FR) STN-GRQ STN-MST Easyjet (U2) BCN-AMS NCE-AMS GLA-AMS Basiqair RTM-NYO RTM-OSL RTM-CPH (moved to AMS) RTM
80 Steeler83: I didn't see any mention of B6 on here... ATL-JFK... if there was one then pardon me for not seeing it
81 Joffie: True Didn't DJ find it increasingly difficult to fill a 737 on such a short flight? SYD-CBR. QF also fly this route using a Dash-8 however i find it
82 Srbmod: Never happened. DL threw a few Song flights on the route in order to twart B6 from even considering the route. JetBlue not offering this service was
83 Steeler83: Gocha. That was rather silly of them not to go through with ATL-JFK service with an A320. I am sure that an E190 would have sufficed but both are mar
84 Skymileman: Billings, MT just topped 100,000 residents and the surrounding area has about 63,000 people in it. With that many people, I am really surprised we ha
85 Travatl: There's lots of old ValuJet/AirTran routes still not mentioned: MEM-MCO (and I'm shocked this one never came back...) IAD-YUL IAD-JAX IAD-TPA IAD-PBI
86 USPIT10L: I don't remember PHL-MYR, but what about the whole PIT J7 station? Quick trivia question (I know the answers). What are the only cities WN has ever p
87 Steeler83: The only one I could think of is DEN, but they have returned as of late... Oh wait... Rhetorical sarcastic question
88 Fuffla: QF are able to fill 737's due to its loyalty base (FF program) and business contracts. Also, the 737's on the SYD-CBR route only fly a few times a da
89 USPIT10L: It's not rhetorical at all, DEN was just lucky enough to get service back. There are cities WN has pulled completely out of.
90 Stirling: Denver Beaumont/Pt Arthur San Francisco (Houston) IAH
91 Steeler83: Oh, my bad then I tried to find some of the airports that WN pulled out of and never went back to, but I could not find any... I am sure that they ar
92 Vegasplanes: SFO IAH DEN DET BPT Also WN stoped flying Detroit-IND, used to be DET-IND. Back in the late 80's. Same with DET-PHX, though that came back fairly rec
93 Vegasplanes: Forgot about National Airlines from LAS, to MIA, MDW, JFK, LAX, SFO, DFW. Used to love those $ 159 r/t LAS-MIA.
94 Travatl: J7 (ValuJet) only operated PITATL, and that was briefly for two months. AirTran came back a few years later with PITPHL, PITMDW, PITLGA which were al
95 USPIT10L: Thanks Travatl. I just didn't remember it. I know the whole history of airTran's time here. I was at C52, C54 the first day as a fan. I was BEGGING V
96 Eastbay: PanAm330, I'll take your word that it was Oakland-Brussels, as I can't find any confirmation that it was SFO on the web anywhere. However, I swear tha
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