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BA And BD Team Up To KSA!  
User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2501 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7743 times:

An interesting news was posted today on www.ameinfo.com.
Some kind of cooperation will be set up to let KSA BD passengers connct to BA's flights to the States.

Here is the complete article :
http://www.ameinfo.com/83212.html>ht...p://www.ameinfo.com/83212.html


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User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3916 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7709 times:

Will BA end up coming to bmi's rescue?

User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2501 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7642 times:

Quoting Vasu (Reply 1):
Will BA end up coming to bmi's rescue?

I hope so  Wink I am one of the few who hope it will happen  Wink
Just imagine!



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User currently offlineCarduelis From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2001, 1586 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7596 times:

Not sure what this is all about . . . your link takes you back to the airliners.net page . . .

Can you elucidate?



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User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2501 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7560 times:

Sorry, here is the article :
http://www.ameinfo.com/83212.html



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User currently offlineHS748 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7547 times:

Quoting Vasu (Reply 1):
Will BA end up coming to bmi's rescue?

Definitely not. If BA acquired BD it would be forced to give up lots of LHR slots. Without those slots I can't see BD being of any interest to BA at all. If anything, it's in BA's interests to let BD fail (and given their current 'strategy' it can only be a matter of time).


User currently offlineMutu From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 538 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7450 times:

Quoting HS748 (Reply 5):
Quoting Vasu (Reply 1):
Will BA end up coming to bmi's rescue?

Definitely not. If BA acquired BD it would be forced to give up lots of LHR slots. Without those slots I can't see BD being of any interest to BA at all. If anything, it's in BA's interests to let BD fail (and given their current 'strategy' it can only be a matter of time).

Correct HS748. Of course if the price was low enough the slots could I suppose then be handed over to new entrants as part of securing open skies, leaving BA/AA at current scale but allowing new entrants to secure plentiful slots at LHR. There really would be no loss of competition on european routes ex LHR without BMI, particulrly with LCC growth at STN/LTN taking over the leisure short haul market....just a thought


User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2501 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7412 times:

Quoting EE-Kay (Reply 6):
I see you're no longer in TUN. Have you move to MLA now?

Well I am based in Austria but have a long project here in MLA and I am enjoying it  Wink

Quoting HS748 (Reply 5):
Definitely not. If BA acquired BD it would be forced to give up lots of LHR slots. Without those slots I can't see BD being of any interest to BA at all. If anything, it's in BA's interests to let BD fail (and given their current 'strategy' it can only be a matter of time).

That's defenitely true but they will also get some slots out of the deal which could help them to start new routes (to the regions for example) and move some more routes from LGW to LHR.



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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4920 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7312 times:

Im surprised at this. Cant BD use their partner UA for connecting flights to the US?


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User currently offlineHS748 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7163 times:

Quoting Mutu (Reply 6):
Of course if the price was low enough the slots could I suppose then be handed over to new entrants as part of securing open skies, leaving BA/AA at current scale but allowing new entrants to secure plentiful slots at LHR

Good point - bring on the demise of bmi!


User currently offlineBoysteve From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 939 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7140 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 8):
Im surprised at this. Cant BD use their partner UA for connecting flights to the US?

Thats what I was thinking. Could this cause a problem within Star Alliance?


User currently offlineCarduelis From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2001, 1586 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7109 times:

I really am unsure about this thread - maybe I'm missing something!

Just because BA and BD have 'made' an agreement to write the two sectors on the same (BA) ticket, everybody here feels that it brings about the demise of BD and their subsequent takeover by BA and all sorts of discussion on the old chestnut of LHR slots. . . what are you talking about?

When I was in BOAC Res I regularly hand wrote multi-sector tickets on BA stock covering several airlines including some very long 24 sector journeys with six 0164 tickets in conjunction. It is called Interline and there's nothing new to it - any IATA airline can do the same with any other member.

I want to share the topic, but perhaps somebody can clarify the 'importance' and topicality of the original article, and also what KSA stands for.

Cheers!



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User currently offlineBoysteve From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 939 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7076 times:

Quoting Carduelis (Reply 11):
and also what KSA stands for

I presumed that it was Kingdom of Saudi Arabia


User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2501 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7059 times:

Quoting Carduelis (Reply 11):
also what KSA stands for.

Yes, it is Kingdom of Saudi Arabia...

Actually, I wouldn't have expected BD to tie with BA, not on a route they took over from BA and which should be a cash cow...



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User currently offlineBoysteve From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 939 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7043 times:

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 13):
Actually, I wouldn't have expected BD to tie with BA, not on a route they took over from BA and which should be a cash cow...

While I find the situation odd regarding BD's choice of bed-partner on this issue, maybe this is a way for BA to have a share of this cash cow that you talk about. Afterall BA dropped the route due to security, nothing else.


User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2501 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6999 times:

Quoting Boysteve (Reply 14):
While I find the situation odd regarding BD's choice of bed-partner on this issue, maybe this is a way for BA to have a share of this cash cow that you talk about. Afterall BA dropped the route due to security, nothing else.

Why should BD share the cash cow with BA? It has enough partners at LHR like UA and VS.



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User currently offlineBoysteve From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 939 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6970 times:

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 15):
Why should BD share the cash cow with BA? It has enough partners at LHR like UA and VS

Exactly, maybe I didn't explain myself properly. On this issue I think BD are a bit daft whilst BA will be laughing all the way to the bank, make that pension deficit.


User currently offlineHS748 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6853 times:

Quoting Carduelis (Reply 11):
Just because BA and BD have 'made' an agreement to write the two sectors on the same (BA) ticket, everybody here feels that it brings about the demise of BD and their subsequent takeover by BA and all sorts of discussion on the old chestnut of LHR slots. . . what are you talking about?

Well perhaps you need to go back and read again, this time a bit more slowly paying a little more attention. Nobody has said that BA and BD co-operating means that BA will take over BD - you have wrongly drawn that conclusion because you haven't read the thread properly. Somebody asked in one of the replies whether BA will at some time in the future end up coming to BD's rescue - that is where the subsequent discussion came from.


User currently offlineANother From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 6831 times:

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 15):
Why should BD share the cash cow with BA? It has enough partners at LHR like UA and VS.

I am sure that BD will do what they can to maximise their Star alliance partners, but if the customer wants a better connection to, say BA or AA, do you really think BD is going to say NO? SV will carry the pax to LHR just as well as BD and they have interline agreements with just about every other airline that flies there. There is something to say for the MIA (Multilateral Interline Agreement).


User currently offlineCarduelis From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2001, 1586 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 6831 times:

Thanks, HS748

Quoting HS748 (Reply 17):
BA will at some time in the future end up coming to BD's rescue - that is where the subsequent discussion came from.

Yes, and then all the usual waffle on LHR slots.

Thread title is - BA and BD Team Up to KSA!



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User currently offlineStarGoldLHR From Heard and McDonald Islands, joined Feb 2004, 1529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 6737 times:

BA Are too scared to fly to Saudi, so instead they will pay BD.
So what ?

Given the choice of UA and BA/AA for connections to the US, a business man to/from saudi will choose BA where possible, and BD's service is pretty good anyhow.

VS is really a third world airline but with new planes.. in that it offer's no good connections, partners and only flies to it's few destinations once every n number of days (except NY).



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 6737 times:

Quoting HS748 (Reply 5):
. If anything, it's in BA's interests to let BD fail (and given their current 'strategy' it can only be a matter of time).

actually, if anything, it would be good for BA to have BD around as a "2nd-class" carrier...that way, they won't have more competitive entrants to LHR....the longer BD stick around, the better it is for BA



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User currently offlineCarduelis From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2001, 1586 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 6685 times:

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 20):
BA Are too scared to fly to Saudi

Take a look at the UK Government's Foreign and Commonwealth Office official advice . . .

http://www.fco.gov.uk/servlet/Front?...a=KCountryAdvice&aid=1013618387135



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User currently offlineConcorde001 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 1230 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 6447 times:

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 20):
VS is really a third world airline but with new planes.. in that it offer's no good connections, partners and only flies to it's few destinations once every n number of days (except NY

Are you being serious?
VS does not "fly its few destinations once every number of days". Admittedly BA serves more US destinations, but a "third world airline"? What does that even mean? Some would say FR was a "third world airline".
As for flying "its few destinations once every number of days", you will see VS routes from LHR operate practically every day.
EWR - 3 daily
JFK - 3 daily
BOS - daily
LAX - 2 daily
MIA - daily
SFO - daily
IAD - daily
BOM - daily
DEL- daily
NRT - daily
DXB - going daily in July
HKG - daily (going double daily soon)
SYD- daily
JNB - daily
LOS - daily
PVG - daily

Quoting HS748 (Reply 5):
If BA acquired BD it would be forced to give up lots of LHR slots. Without those slots I can't see BD being of any interest to BA at all.

Correct. When rumours surfaced in 2003/2004 that VS/BD were about to merge, it was reported that BA were looking to make an offer for VS to de-rail a BD/VS merger. WHY? Because they knew if they decided to bid for BD they would face regulatory problems as their 12% share of LHR slots was significantly more than VS' 2%.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 6165 times:

Quoting Concorde001 (Reply 23):
Because they knew if they decided to bid for BD they would face regulatory problems as their 12% share of LHR slots was significantly more than VS' 2%.

do you have a link for that data (regarding the control of BA/VS/BD slots at LHR)?



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25 Post contains links Concorde001 : As for BD's Slots stats: http://www.flybmi.com/bmi/en-gb/aboutbmi/aboutbmi.aspx As for BA/VS/BD mergers etc, have look at the archives for British ne
26 Boysteve : Thankyou Concorde001. I was just about to comment on the pile of rubbish that StarGoldLHR had spouted but you beat me to it!
27 Cainanuk : Wow, less than an hour for HS748 to weigh in with his childish "demise of bmi" comments. You are getting to be far too predictable. Perhaps you didn't
28 BAxMAN : Look's to me like it's more of a BA initiated interline agreement. I'm sure BD will still have their own fares which interline with their own *Allianc
29 Concorde001 : With all due respect, things are not that "healthy" at bmi. It is reported that employee morale is down. Also with regards to profit, BD's operating
30 FlyCaledonian : How would BA have been able to bid for VS? Sir Richard Branson holds the controlling stake in VS, just as Sir Michael Bishop holds the controlling st
31 Carduelis : My sentiments exactly - right from the start . . . ! Well done, BAxMAN!
32 BAxMAN : Woah...hold your horses! Surely no A.net thread about BD can have such a simple explanation? Surely Nigel Turner must be held to account for somethin
33 Concorde001 : BA could certainly make a bid for VS - there is nothing stopping them. Whether is it accepted or not is another matter, and is as you mentioned, whol
34 Post contains images Jacobin777 : " target=_blank>http://www.guardian.co.uk/airlines/s....html thanks for the links .....so BD has 12% of the slots...interesting...! cheers..
35 AIR MALTA : You can earn BA miles on flights between KSA and the UK on BD flights. That's more interesting I think than an interline agreement...
36 Shamrock_747 : BA still have a lot of loyal customers in Saudi Arabia. Some passengers are even travelling to London via BAH or AUH so they can continue to use Briti
37 Mutu : Technically the UK doesnt need a second mainline longhaul carrier, we are a small island. Af and LH arent required to have one. Just not an issue fro
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