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IB 6253 4/15/06  
User currently offlineBoeingguy1 From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 415 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3633 times:

I wasnt sure where to post this. But as I was typing up my trip report from Spain with IB, I came across this recording: it was the aircraft I was on friday! We had stopped for a while, and I didnt know why... well, you just listen...

Iberia- The National Airline of Spain (yeah, more like National Disgrace... but Ill explain during my trip report)...
http://www.liveatc.net/forum/files/kjfk_-_stop_your_plain_116.mp3


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User currently offlineCRGsFuture From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 536 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3600 times:

That controller has had more odd run ins with foreign airline pilots. A China Airlines Cargo plane was having trouble understanding this guy and well were lost royally.


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User currently offlineToulouse From Switzerland, joined Apr 2005, 2754 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3579 times:

Jeez, sounds more like the controller trying to give English lessons to the Spanish pilot! Absoloutely classic! I don't know who was worse, the pilot or the controller...


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User currently offlineBCNGRO From Andorra, joined Oct 2004, 584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3571 times:

Quoting Toulouse (Reply 2):
Jeez, sounds more like the controller trying to give English lessons to the Spanish pilot!

Just read back: HOLD SHORT!   

[Edited 2006-04-17 21:18:20]


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User currently offlineDC-10 Levo From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 3432 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3567 times:

Don't think it was your plane - this was posted months ago

User currently offlineIBERIA747 From Spain, joined Aug 2003, 1831 posts, RR: 60
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3534 times:

Boeingguy1:

This was discussed a couple of months ago.

Something strange must have happened. It's not like the pilot just flew for the first time. Iberia's Captains flying the A340s are very experienced pilots who have flown for many years in European routes before being promoted to the big jets, so I guess English shouldn't be a problem.

On the other hand, first officers on IB's A340 fleet are usually much younger than the captains, but they have also had their share of international flights before being assigned to the right seat on the "big-buses" so once again, I don't think English should be a problem for them.

BTW this recording doesn't belong to any Iberia flight on 4/15/06 as you claimed. It was originally posted in this forum on February 14th, and the original link gives us access to the complete recording, which lasts for about 30 minutes. Apparently the "incident" with JFK ATC occured on February 4th in very bad weather, with heavy snowfall, windshear and overcast clouds at 200 ft.

Is your need to bash IB really that bad?

Oh and speaking about BAD English, it should be "Stop your PLANE" and not "Stop your PLAIN", as the author of the clip wrote.

Here's the link to the previous thread:

Yikes! JFK Tower Audio Clip (2/4/06) (by Aviacentre Feb 14 2006 in Civil Aviation)#ID2605371

Saludos.



¡¡VIVA ESPAÑA!!
User currently offlineBoeingguy1 From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 415 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3513 times:

Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 5):
BTW this recording doesn't belong to any Iberia flight on 4/15/06 as you claimed. It was originally posted in this forum on February 14th,

My mistake, it was passed onto me by a freind who knew What flight I was on on friday.

Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 5):
Is your need to bash IB really that bad?

As for the Iberia bashing...they dont need my help.



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User currently offlineIBERIA747 From Spain, joined Aug 2003, 1831 posts, RR: 60
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3488 times:

Quoting Boeingguy1 (Reply 6):
As for the Iberia bashing...they dont need my help.

Well, you just did...

I can give you several links to threads where I criticize Iberia for various reasons. However, it amazes me how many people will bash IB for the smallest thing, while worse things can happen on other major carriers such as KLM, Air France or British Airways and 99% of the people will not pay any attention to that and nobody will critizice them but the contrary.

I am not referring to you when I say this (although I still have to read your report), but for example, I don't forget how much people criticized the new IB "Business Plus" seats when they were introduced and a thread was opened to discuss it. IB was bashed once again by many users, this time for not spending enough money in decent seats according to them (none of them had tried the seats btw). Well...a couple of weeks ago LAN introduced their new Business Class seats, and guess what?...everybody praised them and talked about how wonderful those seats looked. It happens that those seats are exactly the same seats that IB has installed for Business Plus (in different colours of course), but when they were shown under IB's name nobody liked them.

For everyone's information, those "crappy IB seats" (as many people called them) have been awarded by Skytrax as one of the top 5 Business Class seats.

If KL looses someone's luggage then people will say...oh not problem, it can happen to anyone, but if it's IB then the same people will say "IB never again...they always loose luggage", and maybe it was the first time that person flew Iberia. For the record, IB lost less luggage than KL, AF and LH last year.

If AF's or BA's flight is late then people will say, it can happen to anybody...but if IB is late then the same people will say "IB never again, they are always late", and once again for the record, IB holds one of the best punctuality records among the largest European carriers.

[Edited 2006-04-17 22:30:36]


¡¡VIVA ESPAÑA!!
User currently offlineBoeingguy1 From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 415 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3457 times:

Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 7):
Quoting Boeingguy1 (Reply 6):
As for the Iberia bashing...they dont need my help.

Well, you just did...

I just did what?

And if we want to go into IB bashing, look not towards trivial things such as bad seats or a bag lost, but how about a inconsistent, uncaring and at some points downright mean crew? It is for these reasons many dislike Spain's "National Fu...."

Nevermind. I will post my Trip Report soon.



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User currently offlineIBERIA747 From Spain, joined Aug 2003, 1831 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3443 times:

Quoting Boeingguy1 (Reply 8):
And if we want to go into IB bashing, look not towards trivial things such as bad seats or a bag lost

That's not what I say, but it is where most people base their critics (pathetic if you ask me) and that's why I mentioned those examples...there are TONS of those critics in this forum.

Anyway, given the fact that you're still a young kid (according to your profile)then I guess you still have a long life ahead of you to try different airlines and discover many different countries' "National Fu...." as you call it.



¡¡VIVA ESPAÑA!!
User currently offlineBoeingguy1 From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 415 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3410 times:

Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 9):
you still have a long life ahead of you to try different airlines and discover many different countries' "National Fu...." as you call it.

well in my "short life", ive flown on Spain's, Germany's, England's, Ireland's, France's, and Austrian's. I think I can compare Spain's "National Fu...." with some of its European Counterparts.  Big grin



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User currently offlineIBERIA747 From Spain, joined Aug 2003, 1831 posts, RR: 60
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3395 times:

Quoting Boeingguy1 (Reply 10):
Spain's, Germany's, England's, Ireland's, France's, and Austrian's

Only those "National Fu..."?

[Edited 2006-04-18 00:35:39]


¡¡VIVA ESPAÑA!!
User currently offlineToulouse From Switzerland, joined Apr 2005, 2754 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3325 times:

Quoting Boeingguy1 (Reply 6):
As for the Iberia bashing...they dont need my help.

??????

Quoting Boeingguy1 (Reply 8):
"National Fu...."

What are you referring to with FU.... I hope it's not something as stupid as I'm imagining.

Quoting Boeingguy1 (Reply 10):
well in my "short life", ive flown on Spain's, Germany's, England's, Ireland's, France's, and Austrian's. I think I can compare Spain's "National Fu...." with some of its European Counterparts.

Not that huge list of national airlines, but as you're young, not bad!

I fully support IBERIA747's defence of his airline. For many years (mainly from the early 80's on... and wow back in the early 80's there was reason to complain, yet flying Iberia back then had a charm to it as well), I have flown Iberia extensively, and in all my years of flying Iberia I have never come accross an unfriendly crew member (granted I fly IB mainly within Europe or domestically in Spain). It must be said that the Spanish do have a particular character, and service standards are different to other countries, but the Spaniards are in general amongst the friendliest people around (I know I have heard bad things about "some" IB crews on translatlanic services... but isn't the same often said about our wonderful Aer Lingus... and hey, I'm the biggest EI fan around, so don't get me wrong!).
I have even had a selection of nice and/or amusing situations on IB flights. I remember back in the early 90's or late 80's flying an IB 727 from DUB to MAD during the summer months back in the days when smoking was still allowed onboard (and me unfortunately being a smoker, no for longer though, I promise). The flight was full of Spanish students returning home after the summer courses in Ireland, and many didn't get smoking seats, so after the meal the crew started organising an exchange of seats with willing smoking pax so some of the students could sit and smoke a cigarette or two (to avoid having them standing at the rear or the a/c smoking). So I accepted, changed seat, about 10 minutes after returning to my seat a steward came to me and apologised for disturbing me again, but as they still had some students "wanting" a nicotine fix, asked would I mind, but instead of making me move, he said he'd find a pretty one and she could sit on my lap... I thought he was joking, but he wasn't... ended up having a very pretty 18 y/o Spanish student on my lap... the closest I've ever come to joining the Mile High Club thanks to IB.
On another IB flight from CDG to MAD, why I don't know, I was approached at the beginning of the flight and asked if I'd mind moving up to Business Class (I said, well if you insist!!... and they certainly treated me as if I had bought a Business class ticket, insisted on bringing my hand luggage for me to my new seat, etc. And by the way, had one of my best meals ever.
My parents had an emergency on an IB 727 at BCN coming from DUB. They said they crew were incredibly kind. Upon safe arrival (BCN had been closed due to the emergency), IB ground staff were waiting on the tarmac clappinga s pax disembarked, pax were brought to VIP lounge and offered champagne or tranquilizers, offered new transport options for connecting pax. if they were too nervous to get back on a plane. My parent's opinion of IB went sky high after would could have been a situation to turn them off the airline. I had a worse emergency on Lufthansa FRA-DUB just after takeoff from LH. The crew were awful, disinterested in the pax and cold. Put me off flying LH for a couple of years until I was forced into it for business reasons, and had great flights... so just goes to show, one should never jump to conclusions quickly.

In brief, I fully SUPPORT and JOIN IBERIA747 in his defence of Iberia. As far as I'm concerned, IB is a fine airline I enjoy flying with, just as I enjoy flying another selection of airlines (mainly EI and AF)... andfor true calss while flying economy my Irish friend, try flying Iberia Regional (Air Nostrum), there you will find service unlike anything else on offer around. All economy, but a true flavour of business class!



Long live Aer Lingus!
User currently offlineIberia340600 From Spain, joined Oct 2003, 804 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 days ago) and read 3213 times:

Thank you for the support IBERIA747...at least I am not the only one that see's that this is going on.

Oh and Boeingguy1....4/15/06 was Saturday...not a Friday. Oh, and one more thing....IB6253 on the 15th of April landed at 19:05 and arrived at the gate at 19:10 so I do not see how you could have "stopped for awhile".

DOIB6253/15APR
* OPERATIONAL FLIGHT INFO * IB6253 -3 SA 15APR
CITY INFO HOUR (LOCAL)
MAD ESTIMATED TIME OF DEPARTURE 1730
DELAY AIRCRAFT DEFECTS
LEFT THE GATE 1738
TOOK OFF 1754
PLANE IS LATE (IN HOURS MINUTES) 0029
PLANE IS LATE (IN HOURS MINUTES) 0009
ESTIMATED TIME OF ARRIVAL 1909 JFK
JFK AIRCRAFT LANDED 1905
ARRIVED 1910



Visca Barça!!
User currently offlineIberiaN From Spain, joined Sep 2003, 166 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3130 times:

Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 7):
If AF's or BA's flight is late then people will say, it can happen to anybody...but if IB is late then the same people will say "IB never again, they are always late", and once again for the record, IB holds one of the best punctuality records among the largest European carriers.

I definitely join the IB's club! I flew them OVD-MAD-BCN last 9th of april both on A320s. We landed 5 min before schedule in the worldwide known "MADRID TERMINAL4". I have to say that the building architecture is AMAZING providing a lot of comfort and a peacefullness which can't be easily reached in other airports arround. I highly recommend all of you to experience the new MAD T4, I'm convinced you won't regret!

A trip report with thousands of photos will be coming soon!

Regards to all!
Emilio



Has decidido puntualidad, has decidido Iberia ;)
User currently offlineBoeingguy1 From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 415 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3099 times:

Quoting Iberia340600 (Reply 13):
landed at 19:05 and arrived at the gate at 19:10 so I do not see how you could have "stopped for awhile".

Sorry to report to you that from landing, we taxxied for a few minutes and, WHILE NOT CONNECTED TO THE GATE we waited in the plane for about 20 minutes.... so get off your high horse: I was on the damn plane!



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User currently offlineIberia340600 From Spain, joined Oct 2003, 804 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3034 times:

Quoting Boeingguy1 (Reply 15):
Sorry to report to you that from landing, we taxxied for a few minutes and, WHILE NOT CONNECTED TO THE GATE we waited in the plane for about 20 minutes.... so get off your high horse: I was on the damn plane!

Wait....so now your story changes???

Quoting Boeingguy1 (Thread starter):
But as I was typing up my trip report from Spain with IB, I came across this recording: it was the aircraft I was on friday! We had stopped for a while, and I didnt know why... well, you just listen...

According to the recording(which as we have cleared up, is from a different date)...you were stopped on an active taxiway between 4L and 4R and now you were at the gate....but not connected to the gate....this gets better and better!

FACT...the aircraft records the time of touchdown and gate arrival...so in other words..the information I posted above is as accurate as can get....therefore...I think I will stay on my high horse just a bit longer...thanks!

P.S. - Where is your supposed trip report? I am DYING to see it!

[Edited 2006-04-20 23:12:38]


Visca Barça!!
User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3004 times:

In the many times that I flew Iberia last year, both internationally and domesticlly, I only had one bad experience with them and that was on the ground and it took place in the beginning of August which is a really busy travelling period. The airport was packed and Iberia really had there hands full but managed to handle the problem as best as they could.
Iberia has been so kind enough once to bump my family up to business class!

I am perfectly content with Iberia when ever I fly them and I am looking forward to flying with them again in 7 weeks to MAD on the mighty A340-600!



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User currently offlineBoeingguy1 From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 415 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 23 hours ago) and read 2981 times:

Quoting Iberia340600 (Reply 16):
P.S. - Where is your supposed trip report? I am DYING to see it!

Alright, it was all in good fun, but stop getting nasty. My trip report will be here, it is my first International one, so id like to make it a good one, so now I will ask you to lay off, eh?



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User currently offlineIberia340600 From Spain, joined Oct 2003, 804 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (8 years 21 hours ago) and read 2968 times:

Quoting Boeingguy1 (Reply 18):
Alright, it was all in good fun, but stop getting nasty.

Im not getting nasty...but you cannot expect me to take you seriously when in your first post this is what you say about your upcoming trip report...

Quoting Boeingguy1 (Thread starter):
Iberia- The National Airline of Spain (yeah, more like National Disgrace... but Ill explain during my trip report)...

And then this...

Quoting Boeingguy1 (Reply 8):
It is for these reasons many dislike Spain's "National Fu...."

I really do hope it is a good one, unbiased, and to the point. I am looking forward to see it but you better believe I will be defending certain points that I do not agree with. I fly IB transatlantic on average at least 4-5 times every year both coach and business...so I know the product and service quite well, hence I believe I have a say on when to call bullshit...just keep that in mind.



Visca Barça!!
User currently offlineBoeingguy1 From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 415 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 hours ago) and read 2916 times:

Quoting Iberia340600 (Reply 19):
I really do hope it is a good one, unbiased, and to the point. I am looking forward to see it but you better believe I will be defending certain points that I do not agree with. I fly IB transatlantic on average at least 4-5 times every year both coach and business...so I know the product and service quite well, hence I believe I have a say on when to call bullshit...just keep that in mind.

Trust me, the only IB complaining I make in my report (which should be done by Sunday Night, as I am currently away from home) is on the way there- on the way back, things improved... you will see.  Wink



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