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Would They Ferry A JAL Plane To Avoid Conflict?  
User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9601 posts, RR: 69
Posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3163 times:
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On Saturday Boeing ferried a new build 767-300ER for JAL down to BFI, and I am wondering why. The President of China will be visiting PAE this week, and I know the Chinese and Japanese have not been getting along lately, could they have moved the plane toa void offending their guest(s)?

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User currently offlineTrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4497 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3139 times:
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I could see them moving a JASDF plane but a JAL plane which flies dozens of times daily to Chinese airports??? I doubt it! I could see them flying a CI or BR plane out though!

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26196 posts, RR: 76
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3139 times:

Don't airlines often take delivery from BFI?


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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9601 posts, RR: 69
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3120 times:
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N1120A, very rarely a widebody will deliver from BFI, I cant think of 3 in recent memory, the first 772ER for PIA, the second 772LR for PIA, and the Dreamliner 747 for China Airlines.

The 767 still has flight testing to do...


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12887 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3103 times:

Are the only aircraft on the line at Everett for airlines other than Japanese ones?
There are still very hard feelings by China (and other countries in Asia) against Japan for their atrocities and occupation by Japan for years up until the end of WWII. Yes, it is silly to have to move an aircraft for a particular customer to avoid any 'offense', even 60+ years later, but with PRC airlines one of the biggest customers for Boeing aircraft, then $$$'s take over.


User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9601 posts, RR: 69
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3103 times:
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There is a new build 772ER for ANA sitting outside the paint shop.

The JAL bird is:

33850/942
767-346ER
JAL International
JA615J


User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1781 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3037 times:

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 4):
but with PRC airlines one of the biggest customers for Boeing aircraft, then $$$'s take over.

Yes, but can't the same be said for Boeing and Japan? After all, JAL is the largest customer of the 747 series til this day. And with new 787 coming for JAL and 50 of them for NH, it is very hard to believe that the only reason is to satisfy the PRC. But again, I could be dead wrong.

Quoting Clickhappy (Thread starter):
new build 767-300ER for JAL

They are still taking delivery of these? When they decided to gradually replace them with the 787?



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User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4343 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3037 times:

Can the paintshop at BFI handle widebodies? Maybe they're back logged at PAE and are shifting some work?


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26196 posts, RR: 76
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3006 times:

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 3):
N1120A, very rarely a widebody will deliver from BFI, I cant think of 3 in recent memory, the first 772ER for PIA, the second 772LR for PIA, and the Dreamliner 747 for China Airlines.

The 767 still has flight testing to do...

It seems as if BFI has gained a bit of stature in the group of Boeing airports lately. Perhaps there has been a bit of a shift? Also, is JAL perhaps doing a special paint scheme on this plane?

Quoting Ktachiya (Reply 6):
They are still taking delivery of these?

JAL placed a pretty late follow on order for 763ERs to do regional routes. I would guess that they are part of the near term replacement plan for the DC-10s and MD-11s



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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9601 posts, RR: 69
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2979 times:
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BFI has not gained any stature  Smile

No, it is wearing 'normal' colors.


User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4343 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2964 times:

Well, unless they're doing some unique testing, I'm at a loss. If the ANA bird is still up there, doesn't seem like there is anything political behind it.


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User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2919 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2927 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 8):
JAL placed a pretty late follow on order for 763ERs to do regional routes. I would guess that they are part of the near term replacement plan for the DC-10s and MD-11s

DC-10s & MD-11s have all been retired. The 763s are replacement for 747-classics. Huge gap in capacity but it goes like the 773/772 taking over 747 routes, which the 763 will be on the routes vacated by the 777s. JL is also discontinuing a number of routes and decreasing frequencies.

Actually, the political ties between Japan and China are going nowhere, but economically Japan is investing huge sums in China and businesses are in most cases being very welcomed.


User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3601 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2695 times:
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According to a JAL press release from 2005 for their order of 3 767 freighters and 3 more 767-300ERs, JAL was supposed to have a 767-300ER delivered in March 2006. It is possible that the strike last year could have delayed the delivery of this 767 to this month, April, and it was ferried to BFI as part of their pre-delivery flight testing.

http://www.jal.com/en/press/0000184/184.html


User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3945 posts, RR: 18
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2208 times:

Here's the official line from a contact at Boeing.

==
There was nothing political. Several engineering test flights were being done on this airplane and some instrumentation added so it went down to the flight test center at Seattle for several flights and then to Kona. The N No. (N50217) was on it by 4-18. Must have been beyond the scope allowed with foreign registration and I believe they can't leave the FAA region.

Nothing political, just special testing beyond regular acceptance flights.
==

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