Atrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5613 posts, RR: 54 Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5237 times:
Whats interesting of the big 4 cities, BWI, MDW, LAS and PHX, only BWI has n/s to all florida cities, and PHL is starting to become a key player for SWA now, and also has non stop to all florida cities before MDW, LAS and PHX do!
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ScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6358 posts, RR: 34 Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 month 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5229 times:
Wow...by my count, that puts Southwest at 65 daily departures from PHL -- and this less than 26 months after starting service there. PHL-CMH wasn't available by a bookable connection, and PHL-BNA can probably support the two daily frequencies added. I'd guess that PHL-BUF is next given the BloFares(tm) offered by US in that market.
They've also opened up the published schedule through September 12 at this point.
I wish the same was for WN in PIT... How about someone wake me up when they actually DO add more service there, which, in this case, might as well be 10 years... The heck with WN here, someone else commit to serving southwestern PA for a change. Lord knows I'll be leaving that hell hole soon anyway... The city is trying to grow and PIT continues to get the cold sholder and door mat treatment... I think I'll jump on the PHL and BWI bandwagons here and declare one of those as my home now; they're among the places anyone really cares about anyway
I don't intend to sound a bit harsh on the subject here; its just that I am starting to lose faith in WN's presence in PIT. I want soooo much for that airport and region to expand and it CONTINUES to head the wrong way. Given the harsh times that place has gone through over the years it's disheartening...
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This should play out quite interestingly in Columbus. The last time USAirways was challenged on the PHL-CMH route was when America West flew it back in the hub days of Columbus. I believe the route was flown 4 times a day with ERJ-145s at the latest, and the flights did moderately well as far as loads went.
The Columbus-Philadelphia route had always been a mainline or mainline/regional mix until late last year, when the A321s and 737-400s flying the route were replaced with a mix of E170s, CRJs, and ERJs. USAirways will still trump Southwest by more than double the number of daily flights (US 7x daily, WN 3x daily), but I wonder if USAirways will bring a first class product back on the route to futher differentiate themselves from Southwest.
As for Southwest, this will definitely help boost their presence here. With the 3 new flights, WN will be up to 24 daily departures from CMH. My guess this being made possible by their upcoming relocation to Concourse A. Right now they can barely handle the current 21 daily flights from their 3 gates in Concourse C.
Steeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 8804 posts, RR: 19 Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 month 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4852 times:
Quoting WN57787 (Reply 11): PIT does not have a Strong Load Factor as PHL does..
Hopefully this will be changing veerrrrry soon. The city is reorganizing its business product after the collapse of the steel industry. As the business market grows then the O&D demand should go through the roof. The city has just approved of the construction of One International Center on the city's South Side, and there are numerous business mergers and expansions taking place within the region.
Hopefully those companies will continue to remain loyal to Pittsburgh and not stab it in the back or give it that undeserved, unnecessary door mat treatment that so many other companies have dealt the city. I guess it's also a lack of competence from the city as well that causes businesses to up and leave... Good job Tom Murphy Administration!!!
Okay, maybe I'll wait for another PIT-related thread to start before making these posts; they're off topic... I'd start one myself but I have no idea as to what to call it. I already started one called "future of PIT" a while back...
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And by the way, when did PDX-TPA start? I haven't seen anything come down the pike on it, so it is probably a mistake, no? I know they beefed up MDW-PDX. But I would have figured MCO-PDX to start before Tamper.
Southwest reminds me of the way airlines were before deregulation, flying everywhere, from everywhere. Simply amazing. I wonder if they are spreading themselves too thin?
The reason I say this, is because technically, they could probably offer, and do pretty well, offering a nonstop from PHL, to every market east of the Mississippi, and about a third of those west of the divide....but they just don't have the aircraft. Same is probably true for many cities in WN system.
But does this mean the network isn't operating at its fullest potential?
Airwave From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 3 Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 month 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4707 times:
Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 2): Whats interesting of the big 4 cities, BWI, MDW, LAS and PHX, only BWI has n/s to all florida cities, and PHL is starting to become a key player for SWA now, and also has non stop to all florida cities before MDW, LAS and PHX do!
Interesting observation. I think that that has more to do with geography than anything, though; East Coasters are more likely to go to Florida for a vacation than to the West Coast.
Quoting Mah584jr (Reply 12): Southwest and PHL are working out very well for each other. I can't wait to see how many flights they add once terminal E construction is completed with the new hammerhead.
That they are, but I wonder if PHL will ever reach and/or surpass BWI to become another key city for WN. Incidentally, what is up with the Terminal E construction? I haven't heard anything in a while and now I'm curious...
Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 18): I am actually inclined to start another thread regarding PIT, given the number of PIT-related posts here. Any ideas of what to call it?
"WN in So'West PA: It's Da PITs" That's all I got right now, lol.
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Bluejackets From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 280 posts, RR: 3 Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 month 2 days ago) and read 4587 times:
Quoting Iowaman (Reply 15): 3 gates and currently 21 flights? That's one of the lower gate utilization rates in the WN system.
Maybe, but they only use 2 of them after 8:30 in the morning. C48 has 2 flights in the morning. C50 and C51 are used all day. So it's more like 2 for 19. As a frequent CMH observer, it's clear they are in need of more space, especially with the new PHL service. As soon as one WN goes out, another lands. They also have 6 Rons for those 2 or 3 gates, and remote parking is a pain.
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25 FlyCMH: That's right. Southwest outright leases C50 and C51 only; C46 and C48 are used on a fee per departure basis. That must be getting pretty expensive be
26 DeltaRules: That would make sense. I was surprised when they took all the A319s & 737s off that route. I noticed that, too. They've used C46 a couple times when
27 LoneStarMike: I thought it would be interesting to compare select PHL O&D statistics and avg. fare information from Q3 2003 (before WN announced PHL -- "Then") to Q
28 Airwave: No problem, lol. Course, not everything I put out is a gem, haha. Airwave
29 Flyinryan99: I'm kind of surprised by this because they have 6 gates all to themselves up there in their own little wing which I thought was very nice.
30 Steeler83: Will WN be adding anymore gates anytime soon at PHL? (I guess this is a silly question... I think that as soon as DL and AF relocate they'll pick up t
31 Airwave: Well, eventually they're supposed to get the Terminal E hammerhead and all...but that depends on if the construction goes ahead, which depends on wha
32 STT757: I think the next WN city from PHL should be Buffalo, here's my list of priorities I think WN should have from PHL: 1.) Buffalo (3-4 daily) 2.) Albany
33 BHMNONREV: That title may belong to STL. WN has 12 gates all to themselves in the East Terminal, with "only" 65 or so flights per day...
34 Atrude777: and really only 7 of the gates are used. E-2 and E-4 as well as E-20, E-22 and E-24 are not used. Alex
35 N702ML: CLE is pretty sad, too Not sure of the exact number (I could count them in the timetable, but I am kinda lazy right now). But there is something like
36 Steeler83: Airwave, I did take a look at those links, and thanks for posting them. How long is the runway supposed to be after it is extended? I am sure that it
37 Mah584jr: I didn't think DL had a large prescence in CMH. I think you meant to say CVG. I was looking at the route map before, and not all of those routes are
38 Stirling: No, he meant CMH. DL flys the CMH-LAX route nonstop with a 738.
39 Iowaman: I was looking at PDX non-stop, not all service, and it shows PDX-TPA non-stop, however I can not find it as bookable n/s on any days this summer.
40 HPRamper: Whoa, that would be a loooong 737 ride. I thought WN wasn't too high on transcons?
41 Joeman: Currently, the only direct flight competition to CO is a handful of USA3000 flights that don't operate near daily.
42 Iowaman: Wouldn't be all that bad, there is longer. WN in the past few years have added many transcons. For example WN operates LAS-PVD/BUF/MHT/ISP/BWI/TPA an
43 LoneStarMike: >>.Will WN be adding anymore gates anytime soon at PH
44 Vegasplanes: From DTW with 3 gates: 8 x MDW 3 x BNA 3 x STL 2 x PHX 1 x LAS Saturday only I count 16 daily flights from 3 gates, 5.33 flights per gate. One would
45 Captainstorck: I have done KEF-LUX in an Icelandair 737-408 - that makes for a long flight
46 FCYTravis: Right now US CMH-PHL: 3x E70 2x CRJ 2x ERJ
47 Airwave: From the Project EIS, "Alternative 1 [the Preferred Alternative] will extend Runway 17-35 to the north by 640 feet and to the south by 400 feet from
48 ScottB: In June of this year; see http://www.phl.org/pdf/acp_040311.pdf for the details. I would not be surprised to see US move a significant number of Expr
49 PHLBOS: First & foremost, I don't believe that anyone else will be moving to Terminal F unless the airline is an all-express regional carrier. To my knowledg
50 Vega: AF has already moved to A15. Also, BA is moving to A-West (from A-East) and I believe constructing or sharing a new lounge there. I wonder who, if an
51 September11: Yes, I do recall WN's old gates at CMH! I think that when they started CMH service, WN got 2 gates that were vacated by USAir. WN had a jetway at A1?
52 ScottB: My point had less to do with other airlines wanting gates at F (I doubt that any do) and far more to do with US squatting on its gates at A, B, and C
53 Steeler83: Thanks for the info Airwave, A 6,500 foot runway should allow them to land much more mainline fleet safely on that (737, 757, A320, and maybe 767 espe
54 MD90fan: This might not be good news for US, afterall isnt their marketshare on PHL-PIT(former hub route) down to like 51% from like 87% or something since the
55 Steeler83: I suppose it is because fares came down when WN came into both markets. I don't necessarily think it's bad for US on this route unless WN wants to ad
56 MD90fan: I used that as a reference/example to show the damage WN has caused US..anybody remember the BWI hub and Metrojet?
57 WN57787: the other day i Had a Friend fly form RDU BNA. the Flt was a THR. flt from PHL stop in RDU in to BNA and thare was 54 Thr Passangers. from PHL to BNA
58 Steeler83: Wow, so definitely some N/S service to BNA is necessary. Just out of curiosity, I know, it's another PIT-related question, but I see that there are s
59 WN57787: pit dont have pit den direct only from den to pit on sat. only ... the san direct is not scheduled any more.. lost it on the 2nd of this month. the la
60 Airwave: Exactly. Up here at ABE, we've got a 7000' rwy and we've seen everything up to and including Air Force One on it, so I'd imagine a 6500' rwy at PHL w
61 Steeler83: What are some of the direct routes out of PIT that are still running? I am just curious as to which routes WN would consider adding at PIT. Are they
62 WN57787: WN has 7 flts to PIT-PHL a day. Direcet Service to PIT-OAK,LAX,LAS,SNA,MHT,PVD,BDL STL and LIT with Non Stop servie PIT-MCO,TPA,PHL,LAS,PHX,MDW
63 Steeler83: Yeah, this is a big need, another large runway, and I think that as soon as that UPS ramp/hangar can be removed that would really open things up. I t
64 CentPIT: Can you make your posts more clear. They are almost aggravating to read!
65 PHLBOS: The Runway 35 landings occur over Hog Island Road NOT I-95; the much-rarer Runway 17 landings would go over 95. As far your other pipe dream plans ar
66 Airwave: Err...oops, you're right, my mistake--momentary dyslexia, what can I say? Thanks for the correction! Yeah, when I found those sites I was all over th
67 PHLBOS: See Reply #4 from this Archived thread: http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/2690467 The meeting I recently attended dea