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VS SYD Operations  
User currently offlinePlanetime From Singapore, joined Mar 2006, 719 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2516 times:

How is VS's operations to SYD doing. I heard a while back the loads were really poor from LHR-SYD route due to HKG passengers. Is there a chance of this route being dropped or being upgraded to another equipment?

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User currently offlineConcorde001 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 1230 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2486 times:

I think the loads are not as poor as they used to be on HKG-SYD and financially I think the flights are doing ok (according to Steve Ridgway CEO of VS). They are not doing amazingly well, which is perhaps why VS is looking to increase LHR-HKG to double daily later this year. This should help the LHR-HKG-SYD flight.

User currently offlineRichard28 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 1619 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2457 times:

It was only one flight, on one day, so is arguably statistically meaningless, but J was full on HKG-SYD on 17th Feb when I was on it (as it was on the LHR-HKG leg too obviously)

User currently offlineMonkeyboi From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 457 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2397 times:

Selfish I know but I hope they are still quiet as I hope to fly them in ten days from HKG-SYD (non-rev). Checked CX today and ALL 3 of their flights HKG/SYD are completely full the day I want to travel.

User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4827 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2203 times:

Quoting Concorde001 (Reply 1):
They are not doing amazingly well, which is perhaps why VS is looking to increase LHR-HKG to double daily later this year. This should help the LHR-HKG-SYD flight.

Should be interesting if they do that what with NZ flying LHR-HKG-AKL in october...although VS and NZ have traditionally got on well great and have a codeshare agreement..



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User currently offlinePlanetime From Singapore, joined Mar 2006, 719 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2124 times:

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 4):
Should be interesting if they do that what with NZ flying LHR-HKG-AKL in october...although VS and NZ have traditionally got on well great and have a codeshare agreement..

I think ANZ will focus more on the AKL-LHR crowd more than the HKG-LHR crowd more. But it should be intresting.


User currently offlineNickofatlanta From Australia, joined May 2000, 1487 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2036 times:

What routes do the two code-share on? News to me!

User currently offlineDalavia From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 548 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1997 times:

My daughter has just come to Hong Kong from Sydney with her husband on Virgin Atlantic, so I asked her about passenger loads. Her comment was that the economy section was "almost full".

A little off topic, but she also commented it was one of the most cramped flying experiences she had ever had, that the toilets were filthy even right after take-off, that the toilets were never cleaned during the flight, that the cabin staff were hardly seen during the flight to offer water, and that when wine was served it was done in plastic cups.

Apparently, an experience to remember for all the wrong reasons!


User currently offlineMonkeyboi From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 457 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1816 times:

Quoting Dalavia (Reply 7):
and that when wine was served it was done in plastic cups.

Not un common at all in many airlines economy cabins.


User currently offlineBakestar From Australia, joined Sep 2005, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1781 times:

maybe VS might consider operating to MEL, now that BA no longer operates there.


fly'nhi
User currently offlineSN535 From Belgium, joined Feb 2005, 35 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1776 times:

Quoting Dalavia (Reply 7):
and that when wine was served it was done in plastic cups.

When I used to work for SN, this was the cas on all flights in Y. Never heared anyone complaine.

SN535


User currently offlineConcorde001 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 1230 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1706 times:

Quoting Dalavia (Reply 7):
A little off topic, but she also commented it was one of the most cramped flying experiences she had ever had

She probably flew on one of their earlier A346s - the configuration is such on those aircraft that some seats in Y have 29" seat pitch...ouch! Very poor I think.
The newer A346 in VS' fleet have been reconfigured and all seats in Y have 31". Those A346s with 29" are going to be reconfigured too with 31" and should be complete by October this year.


User currently offlineXiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 830 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1638 times:

It took VS 4 years to break even on Shanghai-London route. They would have enough patience to make SYD profitable.

User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13742 posts, RR: 19
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1617 times:

Referring to load factors (instead of yields and profit), Virgin Atlantic has been doing quite well in improving their loads.

Loads into Australia / Loads out of Australia:

January 2005
34.6% / 39.5%

February 2005
41.4% / 39.4%

March 2005
35.1% / 34.2%

April 2005:
33.4% / 39.8%

May 2005:
21.6% / 27.5%

June 2005:
45.2% / 54.4%

July 2005:
82.5%  bigthumbsup  / 58.2%

August 2005:
58.9% / 76.3%

September 2005:
43.4% / 40.7%

October 2005:
55.8% / 49.1%

November 2005:
49.9% / 60.9%

December 2005:
67.0% / 75.9%

OK, so they've gone some way to improving it.

Virgin Atlantic is 49% owned by Singapore Airlines Limited.



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User currently offlineBoeingguy1 From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 415 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1594 times:

29'' Seat Pitch?!?! That should be illegal! Give me Y+ any time...


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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1574 times:

Quoting Dalavia (Reply 7):
A little off topic, but she also commented it was one of the most cramped flying experiences she had ever had, that the toilets were filthy even right after take-off, that the toilets were never cleaned during the flight, that the cabin staff were hardly seen during the flight to offer water, and that when wine was served it was done in plastic cups.

one of the worst flights I ever had was flying VS LHR-HKG-LHR in Y. The seats were attrocious. It was so uncomfortable I seriously considered changing airline for the return leg!...Never again! There cabin in Y is fine if your no more than 5ft!


User currently offlineSky0000547 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 270 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1549 times:

Quoting Dalavia (Reply 7):
A little off topic, but she also commented it was one of the most cramped flying experiences she had ever had, that the toilets were filthy even right after take-off, that the toilets were never cleaned during the flight, that the cabin staff were hardly seen during the flight to offer water, and that when wine was served it was done in plastic cups.

I just did HKG-LHR on VS and you do get a plastic cup with your drinks service but you do get a glass with your meal tray for your drink. During the flight from HKG-LHR there were infact 3 drinks service but you can always go to the galley and help yourself as VS put out the snacks and drinks in the galley during the night flight.

I am surprised that the toilet could be filthy after take off at SYD, maybe the cleaning contractor missed a toilet during the turn around. I was once stopped for using the toilet so the cabin crew can clean before I can use it.


User currently offlineJakob77 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1439 times:

Quoting Bakestar (Reply 9):

QF already routed their HKG-LHR flight from SYD to MEL so it's now MEL- HKG-LHR.


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