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User currently offlinePatches From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 292 posts, RR: 0
Posted (14 years 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3857 times:

Man, I did'nt know there was such a brutal war going on between the fans of boeing and the "the bus" I'm going to switch gears here a little bit and ask you people this question. What do you think about boeing making a shortend 757. The 737 is a fantastic airplane, but lets face it, that fuslage is from the 707 era and thats from the late 1950's. It seems like a very dated airframe to me. I think they would be able to compete against the A320 and A319 even better than they are with a scaled down 757. the 57 is a much more streamlined and modern looking plane than the 737. also the 757 is proven winner.

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User currently offlineKing767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (14 years 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3677 times:

No there is not anything wrong with the 737s body! The 737NG is practically a new plane itself, and is not an old design! There would not be a shortened 757 because Boeing has just rolled out the latest 737-900 which can fit around 180 PAX, compared to the normal 757 seating of 186!

User currently offlinePatches From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 292 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (14 years 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3653 times:

King767, I realize the 737-900 is an all new plane. But it still "Looks" like a 737 from 1965. Do you know what I'm saying? Like it or not airlines still base on what they buy somwhat on looks.

User currently offlineIndianGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (14 years 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3622 times:


I dont think that airlines ever base their acft acquisitions based on how the acft looks. I mean, PUHLEEZE!

Its the economics that makes or breaks a plane. Though I am a fan of the "the bus" as someone put it, i must admit that the 737NG family does make terrific sense.

If you ask me, i dont think they should have discontinued the 737-400 though. I mean it was the best bet to compete against the A320.



User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11268 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (14 years 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3595 times:

"...the fuselage is from the 707 era..."

What? I guess the wheels are from the BC era. A fuselage is a just a tube, and guess what! With the exception of the 747, they are all just aluminum cylinders. They all do their job well, so why does it matter if it looks like the same thing as the 707? The wheels look like their 2000 year old cousins too, but they do the job just the same.

(Read, don't reinvent the wheel.)

On top of that, the 757 is descendent from the same 707 that the 737 fuselage descends from. Shortening the 757 to 737 length, even 739 length would create an airframe that is very heavy for the role the 737 flies.



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User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3509 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (14 years 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3621 times:

Say, what would you like this "shortened 757" to look like? Something like this?


(Yes, I borrowed a pic and re-touched it)

Doesn't it look like a 739? And doesn't it look even more like an A320? It's hard to make planes look different nowadays...let's just face it.

It's like saying that the A330 needs a replacement, since it looks a lot like the A300 from the 70's...

/Danny


User currently onlineRuscoe From Australia, joined exactly 15 years ago today! , 1557 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (14 years 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3556 times:

I have often wondered why Boeing didn't put the 757 nose on the 737ng.
Would have made it look modern.
Ruscoe


User currently onlineRuscoe From Australia, joined exactly 15 years ago today! , 1557 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (14 years 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3552 times:

Danny,
Can you splice a 757 nose onto a 737 and post the picture?
Thanks Ruscoe


User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3509 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (14 years 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3548 times:

Something like this? This is a 738 with a 752 nose/cockpit section.



Looks better...

Any more?

/Danny


User currently onlineRuscoe From Australia, joined exactly 15 years ago today! , 1557 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (14 years 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3538 times:

Thanks Danny,
That is a good looking aircraft
Ruscoe


User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3509 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (14 years 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3545 times:

You're right, it does look better. I wonder why they didn't change the cockpit with the NG's...

/Danny


User currently offlineMlsrar From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 1417 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (14 years 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3523 times:

The 757's cockpit/nose was purely accidental in its design. When the 757/767 were being designed, it was still in the days of 'throwing the blueprints' over the wall from engineer to engineer instead of shared data over a network--true CAM/CAD. The 757/767 have identical cockpits, and the 757's nose would obviously have to be narrower to compensate for fueslage width. The beam of the aircraft played a large part in the design of the nose. If they were to widen it and flatten it further, the slipstream would've created a nose vortex and not given a clean airflow to the horizontal stabilizer. The 'needlenose' of the 07/27/37 had the opposive effect and sharpened airflow over the ailerons. Boeing happened upon this design from a sketch and it turned out to be far more efficient than they could've dreamed. Thus the cheapest operating costs of any narrow-body aloft.

Rolls Royce encountered the same phenomena when the RB211 (when it wasn't in the shop) matured on the L-1011 and Quantas made the selection of the Brit powerplant on their first Longreaches. The bypass ratio was unheard of compared to the CF6s and JT9Ds of the era. The result was a power curve from heaven and fuel efficiency beyond compare.

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User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8002 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (14 years 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3504 times:

Actually, Boeing did study the "757-100" during the design stage but dropped the idea due to lack of airline interest.

What's more likely is that Boeing may offer an uprated 737-900 with more powerful versions of the CFM56, Aviation Partners winglets and an Increased Gross Weight specification so the plane carries more fuel. That will give this upgraded 739 with range over 3,200 nautical miles and ability to seat over 165 passengers.


User currently offlineCoex From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (14 years 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3501 times:

Just for fun.......

One of the original drawings for the 757 had it with the 737 nose design.........


COEX


User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4313 posts, RR: 36
Reply 14, posted (14 years 4 days ago) and read 3502 times:

Danny, although I admire your Photoshop work, I consider the 737-800 with 752 nose quite ugly. Although almost 50 years of age, I still think the 70/2/3 nose is classy and timeless, and really fitting even the newest 737s.
The American "757-100" is cute, though !



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User currently offlineFedExHeavy From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 226 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (14 years 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3455 times:

The Boeing 757 is a proven winner, but so is the Boeing 737 series, DI mean didn't I hear some where that it's the most popular airliner in terms of being purchased more than the rest, now isn't that a proven winner as well. 
Have a nice day!



So far this is the oldest I've been.
User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (14 years 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3450 times:

Hey...

A little off topic, but can you extend the hump on the 747SP to make it a -300/-400 hump?

Thanks!

F L Y 7 7 7 U A L


User currently offlinePete From United States of America, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (14 years 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3440 times:

Of all the types of passenger aircraft out there, it seems that the 737 family of aircraft has had more success than most. (Maybe not as much as the 74, but still.) They have been making the 73 since the mid '60's, and, even though the modern 73 is a completely new aircraft, with long range capacities glass cockpit, etc. it still is a 73. Seriuosly, almost 40 years in production; you can't put a price tag on that kind of success. Also, what other type of passenger a/c has had 9 different varieties of which 7 are currently flying? 8 in the near future?
Pete


User currently offlinePete From United States of America, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (14 years 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3436 times:

Congradulations!!! You just created the 737-1000.

User currently offlineJet Setter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (14 years 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3430 times:

Pete, the B737-100 through to the B737-900 are all currently flying. There are still 4 B737-100s around in regular use with Aero Continente (2), Faucett (1) and the Mexican Air Force (1). So there are currently 9 versions flying, and there will soon be 9 versions in service and that's not counting the various QC and F versions, plus the BBJ!!!!

User currently offlinePatches From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 292 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (14 years 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3429 times:

Danny. Great pic on that shortend 757 I think its a great looking plane! Boeing should have gone with it. you are a master. I could not see any flaws in that photo.

User currently offlineBobo2196 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (14 years 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3422 times:

why would Boeing want to shorten the 757? Wouldnt they be overlapping capacity with the 73NG series??

User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11268 posts, RR: 52
Reply 22, posted (14 years 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3395 times:

Bobo, there is much much more to a plane than its capacity. There is range (and weight) as well. Lengthening a 737 so that it holds as much as a 757 won't have the range because its structure would not be strong enough to hold the extra fuel. Similarly, shrinking a 757 to 737 size would be very inefficient since it would be carrying all of that structural weight around that was designed to support much more than it actually would be supporting.


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User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3509 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (14 years 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3392 times:

Thanks guys, I do my best to entertain us..   Don't you think there should be another forum for these sort of things?

I liked the shortened 757 after all...not that it'd have a chance in real life, but anyway...

FLY777UAL - you wanted a 747SP with the -300/400 hump? Here you go...



Not so good, but here it is...

Any more requests?

/Danny


User currently offlineShankly From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 1541 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (14 years 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3373 times:

Man, that is one ugly duck!


L1011 - P F M
25 TSV : Brilliant work Danny. If you'd like another challenge how about a 747-400 with the upper deck extended all the way back? No preference for colour sche
26 Airmale : that shortened version of the 757 looks great , im all for it, and the shortened 757 would be better looking than the A320 and family.yes the 737 look
27 D L X : YOu know, people, I just don't get it. Maybe someone can explain it to me. What makes a nose outdated? They're all the same shape except for the 757,
28 Bigmikenice : I, too, am having difficulty figuring out how the 737 has any kind of asthetic flaws to it. But the thing that gets me is how a nose can depict an air
29 B-HOX : perhaps......will there ever be a 757-100?..
30 Post contains images Danny : Thanks again! As a matter of fact, one of the first planes I ever re-made was a 744. Although it's a United bird, it's still a full upper deck plane..
31 Post contains images Qantas737 : Looks real sweet and I like the look of it better than the A3XX, because it doesn't look so fat. I think it is the nose that makes it look fat. I've m
32 Danny : Well, post them! I still think there should be a section for these sort of thigs...that would rock. Johan (Admin), couldn't you create a Aviation Humo
33 Delta777-XXX : what you guys aren't thinking about it... the 707, 727, 737, and 757 have the same fuselage circumference. Boeing did that to save money. I was kinda
34 D L X : Why were you surprised? Would you prefer Boeing waste money causing higher fares?
35 Qantas737 : I would love to post them Danny but the thing is I don't know how to and the files are too big. I'm unable to change it them to JPG format so they tak
36 Post contains images Danny : Well, here are Qantas737's pics. Very nice if I might say so... And here are my two new pics, including the requested Qantas 744 megatop. Enjoy, and m
37 TSV : Thanks Danny, absolutely brilliant!!! I'll second that call for a Forum of this sort. Why not call it "Flights of Fancy" or something like that? Best
38 Danny : Great idea Rob! "Flights of Fancy" sounds really good. I wish that Johan would read this once and for all and tell us what he thinks about the idea. T
39 Surf : If they shortened the 757 I'd much rather fly on one of them. At least the rudder problem could be history. I go out of my waty to avoid flying 737's
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