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United Is Opening A Base In Moscow, Russia?  
User currently offlineSU From Russia, joined Apr 2004, 360 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 8272 times:

Today I came across to an add in Moscow Times from United Airlines recruiting Sales Managers, Sales Executive and Reservations Agents.

Does this mean United is opening a base/office here of even better – planning to fly to Moscow? With very strong presence of LH/OS/LX and other *A carriers I have never heard of United being interested or its plans involving Moscow.

I know for example AA and NH don’t fly to Moscow but have representative offices in here. I wonder if it will be the same for UA for now and with future plans to fly into Moscow.

If this is true it is a great news for all of us a.nuters in Moscow and United.

If they start flying to Moscow will they fly from IAD/ORD or SFO? Currently only SU and DL offer direct flights to Moscow from NYC, ATL, LAX and IAD (twice a week). I would think UA would have done great on ORD-MOW rout.


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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 8244 times:

Maybe this is the big announcement that is apparently going to happen on the 24th April. I must say I would really be surprised if this was it, but hey anything is possible!

User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 8161 times:

I don't expect to see UA flying to Moscow anytime soon. UA are interested in selling to the Russian market via codeshare services. Expect to see UA codeshare on LH flights to SVO and other Russian cities.

User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 8095 times:

I was under the impression that all available frequencies US-Russia for US carriers have already been assigned? (14 weekly slots for DL and 7 for CO)

User currently offlineAirevents From Germany, joined Jan 2002, 890 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 7912 times:

United has not, like Delta or Continental, expanded a lot internationally, maybe this would also boost their business, opening a couple of longhaul routes instead of some money-loosing domestic sectors. Moscow, if possible, would for sure be a cash cow for them.


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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 7743 times:

Quoting Airevents (Reply 4):
United has not, like Delta or Continental, expanded a lot internationally, maybe this would also boost their business, opening a couple of longhaul routes instead of some money-loosing domestic sectors. Moscow, if possible, would for sure be a cash cow for them.

Agreed, now, would we be thinking ORD or IAD to Moscow....my preference would be ORD.


User currently offlineHoya From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 7624 times:

With UA's long-haul aircraft shortage, opening a new route would mean cutting another international frequency. So what would be cut? ORD-EZE and the 2nd IAD-GRU have been made only seasonal (winter) due to the needed lift for Europe over the summer. Also, what aircraft could possibly be used? Does a 763ER have the legs to fly ORD-Moscow profitably all year long?


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User currently offlineFA4UA From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 812 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 7341 times:

just because there's a sales office in the city doesn't mean we'll be flying there in the near term...

FA4UA



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8911 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 7294 times:

Also, could it be for a call center? Reservations agents to handle the phones and the management making sure everything is running smoothly? I do know that UA outsources a vast majority (so much so that many 1Ks on FlyerTalk complain about it even) of its res calls overseas.

Jeff


User currently offlineAeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 3012 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 7281 times:

This is very interesting! As mentioned above, having a sales office in Moscow, doesn't necessarily mean that they will start service to MOW. But for some reason I do feel that MOW is a future destination for UA. I'm sure that if they will serve ORD-MOW they will do great. There is a lot of demand for that route. SU seems to be doing ok with their 2 weekly IAD flights, and there doesn't seem to be much more demand for it. So judging by that ORD will be a winner. Just my $0.02.

Aeroflot777


User currently offlineDCAYOW From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 605 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 7215 times:

IAD-SVO would be logical choice here. IAD is UA's European incubator, all new routes to Europe start from IAD then migrate to ORD. There is sizable US government traffic going to SVO and it is a route that can be easily accomplished with a B763.

Before SU's entry into SkyTeam I could not fathom a worse insult for Metropolitan Washington than to have Delta flying daily Atlanta - Moscow before a daily Washington - Moscow existed.

Also, with SU's entry into SkyTeam means that DL will code-share on SU's SVO-IAD service. This means many of the US govt pax using a UA-LH, UA-SK, UA-OS combo could have theoretically migrated to the "DL" IAD-SVO service. A UA nonstop makes UA competitive again.

[Edited 2006-04-21 21:01:55]


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User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 6756 times:

ORD-MOW will do excellently on a 767.

I'm hoping that's what happens.

This doesn't seem like an outsourcing to Russia situation. I am very excited about this.



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User currently offlineLevg79 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 995 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 6267 times:

Quoting FA4UA (Reply 7):
just because there's a sales office in the city doesn't mean we'll be flying there in the near term...

I hate to sound ignorant, but can anyone tell me the logic behind having a sales office in a country that is not served by the airline?

Leo.



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User currently offlineCRGsFuture From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 536 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 5968 times:

Levg direct contact with the costomer and the product, instead of getting the runaround from other agents at allianced airlines.

-JD

[Edited 2006-04-22 01:58:57]


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User currently offlineBa757gla From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 760 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 5948 times:

is there a market for us - russia traffic

User currently offlineAeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 3012 posts, RR: 26
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 5840 times:

Quoting Ba757gla (Reply 14):
is there a market for us - russia traffic

Yes, a very big one. Apart from all of us Russians trying to go back and visit our country, Moscow is becoming a big center economically. Every time I travel US-Russia, I can't help but notice the outrageous amount of US businessmen travelling to Russia for various business reasons. I'm quite surprised that other US airlines haven't begun service to Russia already. Delta's Moscow route is thriving, and bringing in a lot of money. In fact it's so popular, Delta added a second daily flight from ATL. There is great potential for US-Russia travel, and expect to see other US airlines adding Moscow to their destinations in the near future.

Aeroflot777


User currently offlineLevg79 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 995 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 5788 times:

Quoting CRGsFuture (Reply 13):
Levg direct contact with the costomer and the product,

And what does that do? I'm sorry but I still don't get it. It's like advertising the product that will not be delivered anyway. I'm really sorry if I sound ignorant, but I still don't get it.

If anyone is able to explain to me why would UA need a customer center in Russia if it doesn't intend to fly there gets, that person is getting added to my RU list.  wink 

Leo.



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User currently offlineCRGsFuture From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 536 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 5772 times:

That's easy, remember on airline like UA their prices are lower than on a codeshare like LH. LH reps would be aiming to convince you to take all flights on LH even if you want to transfer on to UA at FRA. By having a customer representative center they are giving you the best deal for the airline you prefer instead of pressuring you to take a codeshare partner.


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User currently offlineLevg79 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 995 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 5728 times:

Quoting CRGsFuture (Reply 17):
on airline like UA their prices are lower than on a codeshare like LH



Quoting CRGsFuture (Reply 17):
By having a customer representative center they are giving you the best deal for the airline you prefer instead of pressuring you to take a codeshare partner.

But they'd have to use a codeshare because UA wouldn't fly to Russia, at least in the forseeable future.

Leo.



A mile of runway takes you to the world. A mile of highway takes you a mile.
User currently offlineCRGsFuture From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 536 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 5700 times:

On one sector of your flight not the whole trip however. So about 1-2 hours on LH and then UA across the pond.


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User currently offlineLevg79 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 995 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 5651 times:

Yeah, but that means they'd have to advertise heavily in Russia. Because what I think is that aside from 9/11, most people in Russia haven't heard much about UA so they're not likely to call UA when shopping for tickets.

Leo.



A mile of runway takes you to the world. A mile of highway takes you a mile.
User currently offlineOlegShv From Sweden, joined Mar 2006, 683 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 5487 times:

I hope UA will open a route or two to Moscow. This would be awesome!

Quoting Levg79 (Reply 20):
Yeah, but that means they'd have to advertise heavily in Russia. Because what I think is that aside from 9/11, most people in Russia haven't heard much about UA so they're not likely to call UA when shopping for tickets.

Leo.

Well, Same argument could be applied to DL or most non-Russian based airlines. There were that many people who new DL in Russia. I remember times in the 1990s when DL was running TV ads in Moscow.  Smile

Regards,

Oleg.


User currently offlineLevg79 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 995 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 5356 times:

Quoting OlegShv (Reply 21):
Well, Same argument could be applied to DL or most non-Russian based airlines. There were that many people who new DL in Russia. I remember times in the 1990s when DL was running TV ads in Moscow.

Yeah, but DL operated to Russia already, UA does not and doesn't have any plans either.

Leo.



A mile of runway takes you to the world. A mile of highway takes you a mile.
User currently offlineAeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 3012 posts, RR: 26
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 4793 times:

Quoting Levg79 (Reply 22):
Yeah, but DL operated to Russia already, UA does not and doesn't have any plans either.

How do you know that? What if it is in their plans? Then they obviously do need advertizing...

Aeroflot777


User currently offlineSFO2SVO From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 4388 times:

This can be actually in response to Aeroflot joining Skyteam.

Also, could this be something cargo-related?



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25 UN_B732 : IAD-LED? Couldn't be daily though, but coectios might make it worth it. That would be a surpriser/shocker if you ask me. btw: QANTAS has a sales offic
26 Mymiles2go : Not to deflate everyone's route ballons - but quite simply - United doesn't have the aircraft to do the route short of dropping something else.
27 RDUDDJI : Or UA could tighten down the routing on the widebody fleet, i.e. not fly as many domestic widebody flights. UA has some room to wiggle with the wideb
28 RwSEA : DL seems to do well with their twice daily flights (and service from both DL gateways - ATL and JFK). I think UA could be successful on the route, fl
29 Greenjet : Very true. Air Zimbabwe, China Southern, El Al, JAL, Korean, Malaysia Airlines, Qantas and United all have offices in Dublin but none fly to Ireland.
30 OlegShv : Agreed. I flew those flights and they were always packed. SU flights to US cities are doing well too. How do you know of their plans? I admit we are
31 Post contains images Established02 : Perhaps UA still has some long haul aircraft available on a desert parking lot.
32 Hoya : Any UA-livery widebodies still in the dessert are lease returns. Only way they'll get back in the fleet is if UA decides to lease them out again.
33 USPIT10L : UA has already done that. There simply are not enough widebodies in the UA fleet to start something like this soon. UA is probably simply opening a s
34 UN_B732 : I would expect ORD-SVO over IAD-SVO (if any service), but we shall see. Both could be successful, but I see stronger O&D out of Chicago, in addition t
35 Aeroflot777 : I agree, ORD has more potential. As I said SU is doing 2 weekly flights to Moscow from IAD, and they don't seem to need anymore. I just think there w
36 UN_B732 : btw Aeroflot777, do you know why SU hasn't restarted ORD? Is it because of not enough 767s?
37 Positiverate : I don't think a 744 is right sized for the SVO market. Seems like the market lies somewhere between a 767 and 777 in size.
38 TANS : Levg79, let me try to explain why United would open a sales office and customer service center in Moscow. Firstly, many Russians (and especially Musco
39 Aeroflot777 : Well many factors are involved. One of them you have stated. SU aircraft are used extensively, and are hardly at one place at any time of the day, es
40 Positiverate : OR, it could be that so many Russians flying UA coach will be overcome with nostalgia and feel like they're on the old Soviet Aeroflot. Sorry, couldn
41 Post contains images TANS : I wonder how I didn't think of that
42 Estick : HAHAHAHAHAHA You made my day!!!!!!!!! Rgrds! E
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