Singapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13606 posts, RR: 25 Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 21382 times:
Well the darker fuselage is apt but the tail is too bland and white. You could move the flags to the rear of the fuselage and do something nice with the tail instead.
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Atnight From Ecuador, joined Dec 2005, 520 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 21304 times:
although the dark blue looks nice, the tail is a NO-NO!!! one of the best tail designs is the current AF tail... if that gets modified, it should only be a better, not worse... if anything, keep the tail as AF with a royal crown on the fuselage and paint the planes in the klm blue color and the dark blue one.... please, let this NOT be the final design... that tail makes it look horrible a otherwise good looking design..
PanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 4010 posts, RR: 15 Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 21304 times:
Far too conservative. If,at all, I could only imagine that they have stylized stripes on the tail, the French tricolor vertical and the Dutch crossing horizontal with the European flag in the middle.
However, before the French give up Air France's identity they rather stop eating cheese and drinking red wine, It's kind 'a like when the Union Pacific merged the Southern Pacific, the UP kept it's first name and the SP it's last.
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Larspl From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 433 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 21277 times:
nice study,
i like the dutch and french variation, i would like to see a bit more klm and a bit more air france in there: klm may keep the crown so why dont they.
but all thinks considered. its probably time wasted. i dont see them going to one livery. one of the big thinks keeping them a strong aliance is the two identity's.
as said by mr Hartman and mr de Haan.
Lewis From Greece, joined Jul 1999, 2313 posts, RR: 7 Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 21118 times:
The tail doesn't look nice at all. I am sure they can come up with something better than just two small flags of France and the Netherlands if they decide to go with one livery.
NA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 7090 posts, RR: 10 Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 21095 times:
I like the basic "twins"-idea behind these designs though not the liveries itself. They´re too simple, lack inspiration and modernity, and the tail is very boring.
So: concept nice, implementation not.
Steeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 7553 posts, RR: 23 Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 20988 times:
I don't like the tail either. Something else should go there, but I cannot say what...
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DL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11084 posts, RR: 91 Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 20960 times:
I don't like either one, and I suspect that neither entity is interested deeply in losing their solo corporate identity within the umbrella of the holding company. I sort of expect this to be like Daimler Chrysler, with both marques being sold separately.
Zkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 3569 posts, RR: 9 Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 20910 times:
ok so how about this... just went and edited it a bit... Theres two options when it comes to painting such designs on aircraft... a) follow the panels, or b) just paint it how you want it forgetting about the panels...
I just did it following the panels, so use a bit of imagination to think about what it would be like if it was just following the design only
btw apologies for the crudeness... was just a quick edit using ms paint lol
BrightCedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1060 posts, RR: 4 Reply 18, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 20843 times:
That tail is a joke! It'd definitely ought to be something better. Flags don't belong there if they belong anywhere at all. The plane's registering country flag nearby the... registration... seems perfectly fit.
I suggest either a whole new logo, something merged between the two or... retaining the current tails! And give up on LM Royal Dutch Airlines">KL dropping it's crown, won't happen. They should be rebranded to LM or maybe NLM in that case
They have a logo for Air France KLM communications and it is much nicer, why not use it instead of that bland font.
Guys, it's just a study, not like AFLM Royal Dutch Airlines">KL actually is asking them to do anything.
Speedmarque From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 483 posts, RR: 2 Reply 20, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 20813 times:
So, are they changing the livery or is this just fantasy?
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Zkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 3569 posts, RR: 9 Reply 21, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 20774 times:
Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 19): This is good - I'd change it so that it was the French rising and then it turns and expands for the Dutch on the tail if you get my drift.
Dark blue over light blue any day of the week.
hmm yeah I see what you mean... kinda like the EK flag styles.... will see what I can do..
Zkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 3569 posts, RR: 9 Reply 23, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 20660 times:
ok so this is the merging flags tail.... put together very quickly with ms paint, and I'm no graphic artist so apologies once again for its crudeness..
NA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 7090 posts, RR: 10 Reply 24, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 20633 times:
Btw, I hope the 787 is not turning into such a fat ugly plane. It looks far better on Boeings own renderings.
25 Zkpilot: its basically looking like a 772LR with an ERJ nose on it these days and 767 wheels/tailcone.
26 Lfutia: drop the K and just keep LM eh? to the Dutch, the LM in KLM means Luchtvaart Maatschappij. Keep the K in KLM it means Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschap
27 ClassicLover: You're not too shabby you know! Well done!
28 AwysBSB: I would like to know what Lila would do if Alitalia merged with Air France – KLM
29 Zkpilot: cheers hmmm Dutch finance, French unions, Italian Parking... haha lol j/k would make it hard to design the tail for starters!
30 OyKIE: I like that plane. Looks like KLM-Air France with a 787
31 Steeler83: So do I; that flag thing on the original livery in those links, not happening, uh-uhh, lame...
32 Indio66: Can someone shade these pitctures to show how they will look covered with dirt and soot so that we can get an idea of a true working livery for AF?
33 Pawsleykat: OH GOD NO! That's horrible, well, in my opinion anyway. Uggh! JG
34 JRadier: I was thinking, can someone photoshop a KL (new c/s) plane with AF tail and AF/KL titles..
35 Wdleiser: The Bodies are nice, but the tail sucks with both flags. They should take off the flags and figure out some new design. And I do understand the pride
37 BA: Horrible. God forbid this livery from ever materializing...
38 ACYYC: Tails are horrific. They did some nice work on the other liveries in their portfolio, but somebody was asleep on those tails. The colours have somethi
40 US330: Mess with Air France, not KLM....its scheme is easily the prettiest in the skies.
41 Breiz: This design is a no go as it gets reed of AF trademark, the dirty fuselages Actually, I like the idea of matching liveries. The combined flags do not
42 TymnBalewne: Have a look around the rest of the "Lila Designs" site. Some really great imagery there! C.
43 MDD: I think that AF and KL should keep their liveries, replace the titles with Air France - KLM and put the French, Dutch and EU flags on the fuselages. I
44 ANITIX87: Could this be a hint as to the future livery? Maybe Air France-KLM have a new livery by Lila design but don't want to give a new logo away (if they ha
45 AA777: From a simple color-theory point of view.... LIGHT-AQUA BLUE DOES NOT GO WITH RED...The KLM colors with RED looks awful. Its more acceptable on the Da
47 BHXFAOTIPYYC: Drop the words AIR FRANCE, keep the crown and the dark blue, and there you have it - KLM, and their logo is 100% fine.
48 AwysBSB: Well, the impossible happens too… I hope it gets harder and harder to design, because they want to design the absurd! I would say the imagery of th
50 AF Cabin Crew: Ia Orana All ! I don't think it will go. This is not elegant enough for Air France... Too bland ! It will never pass the marketing people ! Back to th
51 YULWinterSkies: Tail ? Denied! Come on, there is not even a European flag on it!!!! That looks like a Paris-Amsterdam nationalistic axis... Well, I know France and th
52 Airwave: Everybody else has said it, but I agree--that tail is just too much of nothing (too little of anything?). Nice! Ok, I like *this* one even better! Th
53 TWPHIL: Quite franckly it doesn t make such a change for KLM. I'm sure the Dutch can say now that the KLM spirit is now to stay..Nevertheless AIR FRANCE is lo
54 LTU932: If the design is well elaborated, then the flag can fit the quite nicely. Have a look at the last two pre-TA merger LR colourschemes (I reckon, the l
55 AlexPorter: Another take on ZK's concept: Lila did not put much effort into the tail at all!
56 777-200X: That is got to be one of the most boring and ugliest designs. The current AF and KL designs are sharp and sample, and it is well recognized around the
57 AA777223: I guess I don't have a very big aversion to the design. I am more disturbed by the 787 design. Is it really going to sit that low to the ground and ha
58 Heathrow: i think the dutch flag on the top of the tail and the french on the bottom and stretch it out. too much white.
59 OyKIE: To make something out of my own statement, does this show where the future is taking Air France KLM? I am pretty sure they have not decided yet in th
60 Antiuser: Those aren't bad, the tail definitely needs work... but I don't think KLM and AF need new liveries. In my opinion (as someone who does this sort of wo
61 Incitatus: I like the idea of reply 13, but with more vertical (maybe 6) and horizontal (maybe 12) stripes.
62 Schipholjfk: Let's be honest... without the little "crown" symbol over the KLM sign the logo otherwise looks boring and without character. The crown sign over the
63 Burnsie28: Anyone find it interesting how the used the 787 for the "previews" hmm... perhaps a clue?
64 ReverseThrust: The last tail design by Alex Porter is much neater. Lila have done the otherwise smart bold use of light and dark blue no justice with such a rotten t
65 AlexPorter: What if "Air France" and "KLM" were separated by the KLM crown?
66 Scotland1979: How awful can they be...they look terrible at all. AF and KLM keep their original ones. Merge mess their image.... If AF and KLM has to merge - then t
67 AirPacific747: they should find a better name than "Air France KLM". It should be a single name for the airline. The name on the fuselage is simply not good as a bra
68 CRGsFuture: Let me get this straight, I know AFKL is one company but now they are going to merge operations and planes?
70 Gregtx: I think this lacks the usual creativity and spark that Lila usually provides. While the effort to be conservative is noted...this is not Lufthansa. Ef
71 Stirling: I totally agree. The tail looks like something off a military jet. And for swirling bands of red, white, and blue, that seems to be in vogue at the m
72 Checo77: That is utopia and will never happen. The airlines are too well established around to world to elimated their respective brands and create a new one.
73 CRGsFuture: Checo thanks you. I got worried I thought AF's planes were going to be clean for once. Can't see that happen.
74 AlexPorter: Although AF and KL aren't really getting a joint livery, do you think it is possible that the airlines might put out a couple of these (or improved ve
75 CRGsFuture: No their liveries are too world recognized, why change a good thing.
76 Tockeyhockey: pardon me, but this whole idea is crazy. you've got two of the most recognized liveries in the world and you're going to blend them together into some
77 MalpensaSFO: And not distinguished enough for the flying pioneer K L M The crown and initials K L M are going nowhere as they have the permission from the Queen h
78 Zkpilot: hey that one looks great too! it flows quite well.
79 CRGsFuture: Malpensa is that the Queen of Holland or the Queen of Wales, Holland correct?
80 MIAMIx707: STOP! you all are putting a hurt on my eyes with those things. Lila designs original is boring enough and lacking in creativity as it can be. No matte
81 Skymileman: I thought the plan was to operate these two carriers as two entirely separate entities?
82 Dragon-wings: The way Lila put the two flags on the tail it looks like the letters "I" and "C"
83 RootsAir: What can I say.... i hope KLM keeps the light blue...and the dark blue rocks...much better than Air France eurowhite livery! However the tail is a NO
84 MEA-707: Air France would never choose a dark blue top fuselage. It looks a bit like a LCC and also remember all the hot countries like in Africa they fly to,
85 KL5147: Correct, also the crown above klm's name on the fuselage has returned
86 Skippy777: Norbert just make one from Af. KLM will be gone anyway in 2 years time
87 Aviationfreak: Either variation is my worst nightmare come true! Seriously!
88 PHKLM: That would be classic example of destroying brand value that has been build up over a long period of time. And by no means there is a immanent need t
89 Boeing777/747: They have now changed the first page into an animation to visualize their study of brand synergy processing: http://www.liladesign.com/Air-France-KLM.
90 JRadier: OMG, they f*cked AF's tail colours over. They had some nice designs, but this is pure trash. AF's tails is good as it is, and the colours fit for the
91 Aviationfreak: Yes but if you just copy AF current tail design, regardless whether the colors fits for the Netherlands or not, than you're in fact replacing the KLM
92 Larspl: how should i put that politly.. "bullsh*t"? you have no facts to back that statement up. you may (or may not be) happy with the new owner klm is work
93 Cure: I incidentally agree. BA had such a classy livery, a tad old-style, almost oriental, with a drawing of a crown... Everything lost for a farted-on fla
94 Boeing777/747: They have now re-newed their presentation and design study process, all animations: http://www.liladesign.com/Air-France-KLM.html http://www.liladesig
95 Lfutia: hmmm after having a look at the new designs, if the af logo is going to go on the KL colours, then the crown should go on the AF colours. It shouldn't
96 Boeing777/747: True, the crown represents the Royal Predicate granted by the Dutch Royal House. But KLM might loose its Royal Predicate when Air France gets a major
97 Skippy777: Just see. I know more than you think I will try to explain you this. Air France is France and they like to think BIG. The got KLM very cheap ( still
98 Petertenthije: The queen has in the past on several occaisions granted the royal predicate to foreign companies. A fact that has been explained on these boards repe
99 Larspl: maybe. you may proove me wrong in a few years. you're right that they got a deal to keep the name a certain years. but what happens there after is no
100 FlySSC: They can do all the animation want, they seem to forget one thing : The name of the Airline is Air France-KLM, and not KLM-Air France. You seem very
101 Steeler83: Yeah really, what makes you say that about KL becomming history? That is a good question. I like what AF-KL is doing right now. However, I am not sur
102 Boeing777/747: Mmm, I think KLM as it now is organized and looks shall be gone in the future indeed but I doubt that the Dutch will embarque 'Air France'-painted ai
104 Schipholjfk: I think you can only use the crown symbol is the word ROYAL is part of the name and the Dutch Royal Family sanctions it. I am pretty sure companies i
105 Boeing777/747: The 'K' in 'KLM' (which stands for Koninklijke (means Royal)) might not disappear as the abbreviation letters 'KLM' can easily live further as a 'sta
106 USADreamliner: Where is LANDOR when we need them???????????????? Does LilaDesign get paid for this??I can't believe it!!!! USADReamliner
108 US330: The dark blue cheatline on KLM has to stay. That one little strip of paint around the fuselage makes what could be a garish livery into the best in th
109 Boeing777/747: LOL. If airlines do not believe in Lila Design, they just have stay away from them. Is Landor the Holy Grail..... uhh no! I guess Lila Design is not
110 Vasu: Lila Design is just one of many corporate identity designers out there... they've had plenty of successes!
111 KLMCedric: You and Jwenting would be the best of friends!!!
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