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UA/US Merger = 29 New Intl Flts  
User currently offlineDCAYOW From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 602 posts, RR: 3
Posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10677 times:

During the ill-fated merger process of United and USAirways, United indicated that 29 new daily international nonstop flights would be created. I have been trying to do research to find out what these proposed flights were. The UA website doesn't have any of that information anymore (used to have a route map showing the additional new flights). I also checked airliners.net archives, but could only find the ones I have listed below...

Does anyone have the complete list they can share? Many thanks DCAYOW

I know they proposed the following:

1) BOS-NRT
2) IAD-CPH
3) DEN-LGW
4) IAD-LHR (daylight)

I am at a loss for the others...

29 new daily non-stop international flights.


Retorne ao céu...
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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10632 times:

Quoting DCAYOW (Thread starter):
4) IAD-LHR (daylight)

at least this flight is currently operating under UA-922 with B763.

regards
Avianca



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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10524 times:

I was so gung-ho on this for the year-and-a-half this behemoth was supposed to take place. They were 64 round-trip domestic routes and 29 international routes, some of which took place anyway with US or UA.

Domestic
BOS-SEA
BOS-SAN
BOS-SNA
CLT-PDX
CLT-AUS
CLT-SAT
CLT-SJC
DEN-RDU
DEN-FLL
LAX-TPA
PHL-PDX
PHL-SJC
PHL-SNA
PIT-SJC
PIT-PDX
SFO-RDU
SFO-TPA
IAD-SNA

International
BOS-NRT
BOS-FRA
CLT-AUA
CLT-BGI
CLT-SXM
DEN-LGW
IAD-CPH
IAD-STT

Those are all the ones I can think of off the top of my head. Most of the domestic flights were connecting the transcon dots on US Airways' network. Others were jumping on AA's turf. The international flights were additional frequencies and some new cities, all of which, except DEN-LGW and BOS-NRT were started by UA or US recently anyway.



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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9191 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10524 times:

What about additional european routes from PIT; UA agreed that if UA was to merge with US, they would keep their hub in PIT and add more mx there...

Although I am sure that whatever int'l route was added would not have lasted and the statement about the hub remaining in PIT is moot; US closed it in November 2004 and another hub for PIT is not in the cards any time soon, if ever...



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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10489 times:

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 3):
What about additional european routes from PIT; UA agreed that if UA was to merge with US, they would keep their hub in PIT and add more mx there...

Although I am sure that whatever int'l route was added would not have lasted and the statement about the hub remaining in PIT is moot; US closed it in November 2004 and another hub for PIT is not in the cards any time soon, if ever...

Ironically, there were no international nonstops to be added as a result of the merger here in PIT. UA was going to run one-stops to PEK, HKG, KIX, NRT, and SYD from PIT with 747s going through the hubs (SFO, ORD, LAX, etc). They also agreed to build a new maintenance hangar. Also, in another twist, the very routes UA pledged to add (PIT-SJC, PIT-PDX) were announced by US to start in late 2001/early 2002 and were cancelled because of 9/11 and the suspension of A321 deliveries. I remember asking a ticket agent in PIT about the SAT and PDX inaugural runs in March 2002 and he said they'd been suspended indefinitely. Scary stuff.



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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6761 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10450 times:

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 2):
DEN-RDU



Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 2):
SFO-RDU

Can we say 2 long overdue routes?



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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10416 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 5):
Can we say 2 long overdue routes?

And they were mainline, at that. Just shows how far the business has fallen since early 2000. If UA had purchased US, they would have liquidated by now. There is no doubt after 9/11, SARS, and the current fuel crisis that UA would not be here if they had been able to purchase US. That simple.



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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9191 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10345 times:

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 4):
Ironically, there were no international nonstops to be added as a result of the merger here in PIT. UA was going to run one-stops to PEK, HKG, KIX, NRT, and SYD from PIT with 747s going through the hubs (SFO, ORD, LAX, etc). They also agreed to build a new maintenance hangar. Also, in another twist, the very routes UA pledged to add (PIT-SJC, PIT-PDX) were announced by US to start in late 2001/early 2002 and were cancelled because of 9/11 and the suspension of A321 deliveries. I remember asking a ticket agent in PIT about the SAT and PDX inaugural runs in March 2002 and he said they'd been suspended indefinitely. Scary stuff.

So that would have been direct heavy runs though with stops at their west coast hubs. That would have been sweet if that would have happened... So basically what that would have been were 747s from PIT-SFO, and LAX? Would that also have been one to ORD despite the considerably short distance between the two markets? Do you suppose that any of those would have been changed to 777 equipment? The latter is probably a very difficult question to answer... I cannot get over how hard-hit the airline industry was after 9-11. It was already dwindling somewhat just before 9-11 from what others were saying in their posts, and then that God-awful day happened...



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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10305 times:

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 7):
So that would have been direct heavy runs though with stops at their west coast hubs. That would have been sweet if that would have happened... So basically what that would have been were 747s from PIT-SFO, and LAX? Would that also have been one to ORD despite the considerably short distance between the two markets? Do you suppose that any of those would have been changed to 777 equipment? The latter is probably a very difficult question to answer... I cannot get over how hard-hit the airline industry was after 9-11. It was already dwindling somewhat just before 9-11 from what others were saying in their posts, and then that God-awful day happened...

That's correct. UA ran widebodies through their hubs as tag-ons of their prime international routes. So you'd have DEN-NRT one-stop with a 777 from SFO or LAX to DEN. I don't know how often UA does this now, but when I visited ORD in 2003, they were still doing it. Sure, there was always a possiblity of an aircraft swap. You and me both, brother. I would've been a reservation sales agent for either AA or US had 9/11 not happened. I'm sure of it. I then could've transferred to gate anywhere in the world with AA or US.

Yeah, that would've been quite a sight from Concourse C with all those widebodies here. The closest we ever get to that now is when IAD or JFK is socked in with fog and everything has to divert here.



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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10288 times:

Some of the other routes announced along with the merger:

PHL-AMS
PHL-BRU
PHL-YVR
IAD-BDA

I have one of those route maps the thread starter mentioned. I also still have a printed copy of the press release announcing the merger from ual.com dated 5/24/2000.



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User currently offlineFlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2080 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10288 times:

Given that UA has disposed of several slot pairs at LHR over the last couple of years (Sold and leased), would we have seen any of US's LGW flights move to LHR? I can think that BWI and possibly PIT could have switched under Bermuda II, but that CLT would have had to stay at LGW, along with proposed DEN flight.


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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10225 times:

Quoting FlyCaledonian (Reply 10):
Given that UA has disposed of several slot pairs at LHR over the last couple of years (Sold and leased), would we have seen any of US's LGW flights move to LHR? I can think that BWI and possibly PIT could have switched under Bermuda II, but that CLT would have had to stay at LGW, along with proposed DEN flight.

US didn't fly BWI-LGW in 2000. It was dropped in 1993, when USAir and BA first started codesharing flights. US gave up their US-UK flying rights to begin codeshare service with BA.



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User currently offlinePSA727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 974 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10118 times:

This denied merger by the Feds was actually a blessing in
disguise for USAirways.

After 9/11, look what happed to the remnants of TW and its
employees with American Airlines.



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User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3091 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10053 times:

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 8):
That's correct. UA ran widebodies through their hubs as tag-ons of their prime international routes. So you'd have DEN-NRT one-stop with a 777 from SFO or LAX to DEN. I don't know how often UA does this now, but when I visited ORD in 2003, they were still doing it.

They're still doing it to an extent. The SEA-NRT flight continues to DEN on a 777.


User currently offlineVega From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10022 times:

Quoting PSA727 (Reply 12):
This denied merger by the Feds was actually a blessing in
disguise for USAirways.

AND to PHL, which would likely have been relegated to an IAD tag-on for international access.


User currently offlineContinental From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5516 posts, RR: 18
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 8189 times:

US in BRU!? Awesome!

User currently offlinePSA727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 974 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 8145 times:

Quoting Continental (Reply 15):
US in BRU!? Awesome

US was in BRU, from May 2001 unitl Jan 2002.



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User currently offlineLooneyToon From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 444 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days ago) and read 7972 times:

correct me if I am wrong, but US and UA merged?


LooneyToon
User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days ago) and read 7878 times:

Quoting LooneyToon (Reply 17):
correct me if I am wrong, but US and UA merged?

No. It was blocked my friend, but they (US) have since merged with HP  Smile

Regards,
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User currently offlineLooneyToon From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 444 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days ago) and read 7848 times:

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 18):
(US) have since merged with HP Smile

oh, that I knew. I just thougt I read wrong, and couldnt believe what I saw!

thanks



LooneyToon
User currently offlineFlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2080 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5733 times:

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 11):
US didn't fly BWI-LGW in 2000. It was dropped in 1993, when USAir and BA first started codesharing flights. US gave up their US-UK flying rights to begin codeshare service with BA.

Don't know why I was thinking of BWI, when I in fact meant PHL.



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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5017 times:

Quoting FlyCaledonian (Reply 20):
Don't know why I was thinking of BWI, when I in fact meant PHL.

Actually, UA only sold off the slots to EWR and BOS in 2003. They went to BA in a silent bid. PHL would've been a perfect fit for LHR, if not for Bermuda II. PIT and CLT are simply too small to warrant service there by a US carrier.



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User currently offline787KQ From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 549 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4835 times:

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 2):
International
BOS-NRT
BOS-FRA
CLT-AUA
CLT-BGI
CLT-SXM
DEN-LGW
IAD-CPH
IAD-STT

IAD to STT is not an international flight.


User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9191 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4676 times:

Quoting 787KQ (Reply 22):
IAD to STT is not an international flight.

What airport is STT? I can't seem to be able to identify it...



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User currently offlineMikey711MN From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1397 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4529 times:

There was a pretty extensive website that touted the supposed benefits of the merger that included a map of new routes. I wish I could remember the URL of it, so I'd look it up on web archives and see if those images were saved.

All in all as I recall it was pretty interesting reading, if only to be undone (and rightly so) by the DOJ in the end.

-Mike



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25 USPIT10L : St. Thomas, US Virgin Islands. UA seemed to. It was off the map the thread poster mentioned.
26 USPIT10L : Here are the nonstops, taken directly from the route map the intial poster mentioned. Domestic BWI-SEA BOS-SAN BOS-SJC BOS-SEA CLT-AUS CLT-SAT CLT-PDX
27 Steeler83 : What kind of equipment would have been used from PHL and PIT to SJC and PDX, A320 or 757 equipment?
28 USPIT10L : There's no way of knowing. The service was never loaded into any res system. It was just speculation/hearsay. I've never seen a grander scheme fall a
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