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User currently offlinePetmbro From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 260 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3322 times:

While searching through some old papers I found the tickets from my first flight. My parents and I flew BDL-BWI-TPA-BWI-BDL on US around 1990-1991. How big was BWI for Piedmont/US before US moved its focus south to DCA? What routes did they fly? Did US offer any international flights from BWI? Any info is appreciated. Many thanks!


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User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4036 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3300 times:

In 1990 USAir flew 69% of all flights out of BWI. It was a Piedmont hub even before the US merger.

User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3157 times:

Quoting Petmbro (Thread starter):
While searching through some old papers I found the tickets from my first flight. My parents and I flew BDL-BWI-TPA-BWI-BDL on US around 1990-1991. How big was BWI for Piedmont/US before US moved its focus south to DCA? What routes did they fly? Did US offer any international flights from BWI? Any info is appreciated. Many thanks!

It was the second-largest station in the PI system. US kept it as a hub until MetroJet was dismantled in December 2001. BWI had more overall flights than PHL did after US took over PI in 1989. BWI had about 300+ flights a day, with service to LGW from 1991-93, when BA took over US' UK feed as a concession for US to begin codesharing with them. There was talk of other transatlantic markets in the late 1990s, but nothing came to fruition. The problem with BWI for US was that it's too close to PHL to be a very effective traffic generator. Once PHL began to be built up (specifically from 1991-1999), the traffic at BWI began to decline. On top of that, in 1993, WN started flying there. Those two factors increased pressure on USAir to "defend" BWI, when in effect, they were driving up fares trying to force WN out. It didn't work, WN became the dominant carrier there, and US pulled the hub down in December 2001, when MetroJet was discontinued due to lower load factors and fleet simplification. The 737-200s they were flying were retired. This would've happened whether 9/11 had occured or not, if UA had bought US. MetroJet would've been disontinued as part of the integration of the carriers.



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User currently offlinePetmbro From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3052 times:

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 2):
The problem with BWI for US was that it's too close to PHL to be a very effective traffic generator.

Oh I always thought US left BWI in favor of DCA. I was very little at the time so I never realized how big US's operation was at BWI. Thanks for clearing that up.



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User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4487 posts, RR: 33
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3040 times:

From Piedmont's November 1, 1986 timetable:

Baltimore, Maryland (BWI) 88 mainline, 68 commuter

ALB 2x (1 732 1 F28)
ABE 5x (commuter)
ASH 1x (732)
BOS 5x (2 732 2 733 1 722)
Bridgeport 4x (commuter)
BUF 2x (732)
CHS 1x (733)
CLT 5x (732)
Charlottesville 5x (1 732 4 commuter)
CLE 2x (732)
CAE 1x (F28)
DAY 1x (732)
DTW 3x (732)
ERI 3x (commuter)
FAY 2x (commuter; 1 732 on Sat.)
FLL 2x (1 722 1 732)
GSO 5x (3 732 1 733 1 F28)
Hagerstown 5x (commuter)
HBG 5x (commuter)
BDL 4x (2 722 2 732)
Hilton Head (1x commuter Sat only)
IAH 2x (1 733 1 732)
JAX 2x (732)
Jacksonville NC 2x (1 732 1 F28)
Kinston/Goldsboro NC 2x (1 732 1 F28)
ISP 4x (commuter)
Lynchburg VA 4x (1 732 3 commuter)
MIA 3x (1 722 2 732)
MYR 1x (F28)
BNA 1x (732)
EWR 5x (3 732 1 722 1 F28)
New Bern NC 1x (commuter)
MSY 1x (732)
PHF 3x (commuter)
LGA 6x (2 733 4 732)
JFK 1x (732)
ORF 4x (1 722 2 733 1 F28)
MCO 2x (1 722 1 733)
PHL 2x (F-28)
PVD 2x (1 733 1 732)
RDU 3x (732)
RIC 5x (1 732 1 F28 3 commuter)
ROA 2x (F-28)
ROC 2x (732)
Salisbury/Ocean City MD 10x (commuter--in November!)
Shenedoah Valley, VA (Manassas?) 4x (commuter)
SYR 4x (1 733 1 732 2 F-28)
TPA 2x (1 722 1 732)
DCA 5x (commuter)
HPN 4x (commuter)
AVP 3x (commuter)
Wilmington NC 1x (732)
Worcester MA 2x (F-28)

Let's hear it for airlines that order flight numbers according to a/c type!

As with the DAY hub, notice how little Florida service. Interesting that GSO has more capacity than RDU; Salisbury can sustain 10 commuter flights in the off-season; only one flight to Dayton hub. Interesting gaps: CRW and PIT. Also Worcester, but no MHT or PWM? Also no SRQ or PBI.

Jim


User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2489 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2993 times:

Did both USAir and Piedmont operate BWI hubs before the merger?

User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2987 times:

Quoting Quickmover (Reply 5):
Did both USAir and Piedmont operate BWI hubs before the merger?

USAir did not have a hub at BWI before the merger. USAir had 29 flights a day in late 1986, 24 flights a day in early 1987, and 18 flights a day in mid-1988. So it was a medium-sized station, not a hub or focus city.



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User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7758 posts, RR: 16
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2916 times:

The final BWI "hub" flight was cancelled at the end of last year when TransStates stopped flying SYR-BWI. It was the sole remaining flight not to one of the hubs/focus cities after Metrojet was shutdown.


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User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2800 times:

Quoting Petmbro (Thread starter):
How big was BWI for Piedmont/US before US moved its focus south to DCA?

USAir didn't pull down BWI to build up DCA. DCA was already a hub for USAir at the time of the merger with Piedmont.



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