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User currently offlineAjiggity3 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4839 times:

Anyone have any idea how this route is doing? Delta launched this route March 1. I used to live near CMH and Delta is increasingly shifting focus from CVG to CMH and was just curious how this newest route from there was doing.

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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4832 times:

Quoting Ajiggity3 (Thread starter):
Anyone have any idea how this route is doing? Delta launched this route March 1. I used to live near CMH and Delta is increasingly shifting focus from CVG to CMH and was just curious how this newest route from there was doing.

Most of the traffic DL is dumping in CVG is going to ATL, not CMH. The only reason DL built up CMH as a focus city was to replace the feed CMH lost when HP dropped their hub there in 2003 and to give the Republic Airlines maintenance base there something to do.



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User currently offlineAjiggity3 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4813 times:

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 1):
Most of the traffic DL is dumping in CVG is going to ATL, not CMH. The only reason DL built up CMH as a focus city was to replace the feed CMH lost when HP dropped their hub there in 2003 and to give the Republic Airlines maintenance base there something to do.

Right, but DAL is cutting flights at CVG and is adding slowly at CMH. So wouldn't that make it safe to say they see more potential at CMH at CVG. Why does everyone feel the need to try and argue? Gotta flex your muscles and try and proove you know more than the last guy.


User currently offlineFlyCMH From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 2271 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4754 times:

From what I've gathered the route is doing quite well. Not only does the passenger cabin fill up, but so does the cargo hold. Apparently, Delta got a contract from Evergreen to ship cargo on the flight between LAX and CMH, adding a large amount of revenue to the flight. Here's hoping the flight continues to do well. I wouldn't mind seeing more Delta metal around here.

User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4747 times:

Quoting FlyCMH (Reply 3):
From what I've gathered the route is doing quite well. Not only does the passenger cabin fill up, but so does the cargo hold. Apparently, Delta got a contract from Evergreen to ship cargo on the flight between LAX and CMH, adding a large amount of revenue to the flight. Here's hoping the flight continues to do well. I wouldn't mind seeing more Delta metal around here.

I figured that route would do well from the beginning. HP started it in 1996, to save its CMH passengers the trouble of connecting through PHX or LAS, and it did well even then. US initially started the route nonstop in 1990, to help build up its LAX presence. I don't know if any other airlines have flown it in the past (TW, AA, or UA maybe).



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User currently offlineTAN FLYR From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1897 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4674 times:

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 4):
I don't know if any other airlines have flown it in the past (TW, AA, or UA maybe).

Going back over 30 yrs, in the back of my mind CMH was paired with one other city (CVG?,PIT?)with either nonstop or direct service to LAX. For many years DAY was paird with IND on TW, and that is whom I recall serving the route.

AA served CLE with nonstops to LAX into the early 1980 with 707's.

Maybe one of our Ohio friends with longer memories knows for sure.


User currently offlineJbmitt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 543 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4661 times:

Quoting Ajiggity3 (Reply 2):

Right, but DAL is cutting flights at CVG and is adding slowly at CMH. So wouldn't that make it safe to say they see more potential at CMH at CVG. Why does everyone feel the need to try and argue? Gotta flex your muscles and try and proove you know more than the last guy.

Instead of flexing my muscles, I'm just going to laugh at you. Yes CMH got a new flight to LAX, CVG still has 3 daily flights to LAX and numerous connection possibilities. The majority of flights that Delta and Delta Connection operate out of Columbus are O/D origin and demand, there aren't many connections through there.

Delta in Columbus will take you to CVG, ATL, LAX on mainline and IAH, CLE, JFK, DCA, LGA, MCO, TPA, FLL, RSW, BDL, BOS, SLC, MEM, MSP, DTW Some of these are codeshare flights I believe.

Columbus is most likely a profitable focus city, that puts connection planes to use, and offers customers non-stop flights over connections. When CVG loses its flights to HNL, ANC, CDG, AMS, FCO, FRA, LGW all to CMH, come back and talk. I'll buy you a ticket wherever you want on Delta. Until then its a focus city, similar to LGA or MCO.


User currently offlineGoodmanr From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 297 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4637 times:

Not sure how the flight is doing, I took it once and it was pretty empty, the LAX-CMH leg is a redeye, but the flight isn't long enough to really be called a red-eye so it's just a crappy time.


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User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2221 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4561 times:

Quoting Ajiggity3 (Reply 2):
but DAL is cutting flights at CVG and is adding slowly at CMH. So wouldn't that make it safe to say they see more potential at CMH at CVG.

not trying to be arguementative, but CVG still is DL's second largest hub with over 400 daily flights and a healthy bank of European destinations. CMH might only have around 40-50 flights. CMH is a focus city for DL, and they will add flights accordingly to destinations other than the hub cities for O/D demand where they seem fit. While true that CVG did have some flights cut, it was an effort to "right size" the hub, it was probably a little too large to begin with for a city of it's size, although a 400+ flights per day hub is still a decent sized hub, and none of the flights cut there were a response to focus more on CMH. Also of note, even amidst the flight cuts, CVG will see the return of the CVG-PNS flight as well as the start of ANC service this summer.


User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4547 times:

USAir first flew CMH-LAX route. (Remember the US 733 landing accident in LAX?) Then, America West (they had two daily for a short period of time). Then now, Delta.

Jumping on the gun a bit here ... Wouldn't it be nice if CMH have daily nonstop flights to SAN and SFO, let's say Southwest and United, respectively? Maybe a few years later that will happen...  crossfingers 

[Edited 2006-04-24 03:43:54]


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User currently offlineGoodmanr From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 297 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4533 times:

Quoting Ajiggity3 (Reply 2):
Right, but DAL is cutting flights at CVG and is adding slowly at CMH. So wouldn't that make it safe to say they see more potential at CMH at CVG. Why does everyone feel the need to try and argue? Gotta flex your muscles and try and proove you know more than the last guy.

No, but it may mean DL views CMH as underserved and CVG as overserved, saying there is more potential to me implies that DL thinks CMH is a better market to be in than CVG, which I think is obviously not true. Just my two cents.



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User currently offlineDeltaRules From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3698 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4513 times:

Quoting FlyCMH (Reply 3):
From what I've gathered the route is doing quite well.

A friend of mine who's a gate agent for DL at CMH said that it's doing well for the most part. He wonders if there's some buildup coming; he said that they just hired 7 employees.

Also, he answered a question I've had for a while in that he said there's a "strong chance" that we'll see the 757 back in CMH in the near future. Whether that'd be for CMH-LAX or just CMH-ATL/CVG, he didn't say. I'd be interested to see if it actually happens...I miss the 15 minute CMH-CVG 757 flights.

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User currently offlineDeltaRules From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3698 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4498 times:

Quoting Jbmitt (Reply 6):
Delta in Columbus will take you to CVG, ATL, LAX on mainline and IAH, CLE, JFK, DCA, LGA, MCO, TPA, FLL, RSW, BDL, BOS, SLC, MEM, MSP, DTW Some of these are codeshare flights I believe.

DL from CMH- JFK, LGA, DCA, MCO, TPA, FLL, RSW, BDL, BOS, SLC, ATL, CVG, LAX. The rest are codeshares with NW/CO.

Quoting September11 (Reply 9):
Wouldn't it be nice if CMH have daily nonstop flights to SAN and SFO, let's say Southwest and United, respectively?

Didn't HP run CMH-SFO for a while? I seem to remember it, but maybe I'm wrong.

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[Edited 2006-04-24 03:55:04]

[Edited 2006-04-24 03:55:44]


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User currently offlineFlyCMH From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 2271 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4426 times:

America West announced they would begin flights connecting Columbus to San Francisco in the late 90s, but it never materialized.

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Also, he answered a question I've had for a while in that he said there's a "strong chance" that we'll see the 757 back in CMH in the near future. Whether that'd be for CMH-LAX or just CMH-ATL/CVG, he didn't say. I'd be interested to see if it actually happens...I miss the 15 minute CMH-CVG 757 flights.

I miss them too, but with the 767 fleet either going to ABX or heading on international routes, the 757 fleet will likely be picking up the slack. It might not be completely out the question, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

Quote:
Jumping on the gun a bit here ... Wouldn't it be nice if CMH have daily nonstop flights to SAN and SFO, let's say Southwest and United, respectively? Maybe a few years later that will happen...

United was invited to do CMH-LAX and passed on the opportunity, so I doubt they would consider flying CMH-SFO, especially since it would likely just dillute those trans-Pac flights full of O&D customers. Also, I don't think O&D from Columbus to the Bay Area is high enough that a flight to SFO could exist on purely O&D traffic. Probably the same goes for SAN. At least for WN, there's much lower-hanging fruit available for the picking than taking the risk on a CMH-SAN nonstop. I think for the time being, CMH-LAX is going to be the best we can get.


User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4420 times:

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 12):
Didn't HP run CMH-SFO for a while? I seem to remember it, but maybe I'm wrong.

HP never ran CMH-SFO. It would have connected in LAS or PHX.

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 11):
Also, he answered a question I've had for a while in that he said there's a "strong chance" that we'll see the 757 back in CMH in the near future. Whether that'd be for CMH-LAX or just CMH-ATL/CVG, he didn't say. I'd be interested to see if it actually happens...I miss the 15 minute CMH-CVG 757 flights.

CVG is too short for that kind of run now. LAX may well be where it's going, since the 738s are being used for ATL-Florida runs to replace the 767s.



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User currently offlineDoninfc From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 135 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4363 times:

Quoting Ajiggity3 (Reply 2):
So wouldn't that make it safe to say they see more potential at CMH at CVG. Why does everyone feel the need to try and argue?

I think the issue here is that the downsizing of CVG has absolutely noting to do with the CMH focus operation. You make it sound like a group of DL executives sat around a room and said "let's cut a bunch of flights from CVG and move them to CMH." People have a right to call you out if they think you're making an incorrect or inaccurate assumption.


User currently offlineSkyjet06 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 55 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4363 times:

Does anybody know if DL will take over WN's C gates left behind after their move into the A concourse? It would perfectly logical sense for them to do so and they could add quite a few flights from those gates.

Quoting Jbmitt (Reply 6):
The majority of flights that Delta and Delta Connection operate out of Columbus are O/D origin and demand, there aren't many connections through there.

I agree, there aren't many connections at CMH. However there are exceptions, such as RSW-DCA via CMH, which is available on Travelocity.

[Edited 2006-04-24 05:15:34]

User currently offlineGoodmanr From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 297 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4316 times:

Quoting Skyjet06 (Reply 16):
Does anybody know if DL will take over WN's C gates left behind after their move into the A concourse? It would perfectly logical sense for them to do so and they could add quite a few flights from those gates.

That's the word on the street.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26196 posts, RR: 76
Reply 18, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4223 times:

Quoting Jbmitt (Reply 6):
O/D origin and demand,

Origin and Destination.



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User currently offlineJbmitt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 543 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (7 years 12 months 19 hours ago) and read 4125 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 18):
Origin and Destination.

Yeah I just caught that too re-reading this.


User currently offlineCongaboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 352 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (7 years 12 months 17 hours ago) and read 4024 times:

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 12):
DL from CMH- JFK, LGA, DCA, MCO, TPA, FLL, RSW, BDL, BOS, SLC, ATL, CVG, LAX. The rest are codeshares with NW/CO.

Perhaps this increase in service, build-up as a focus city is on the back of SkyBus plans...that is, seeing CMH having decent potential in terms of volume and yield. In which case, SkyBus now has another challenge getting out of the gates.



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User currently offlineDeltaRules From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3698 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3761 times:

Quoting Skyjet06 (Reply 16):
I agree, there aren't many connections at CMH. However there are exceptions, such as RSW-DCA via CMH, which is available on Travelocity.

When we had to try and re-route my dad & brother to MCO after being stranded by DH at IAD last summer, DCA-CMH-MCO was available.

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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3712 times:

Network carriers will sell any connection for the right price. Since DL has sized aircraft in the CMH for the local market, the value of carrying connecting traffic will be low when compared with what can be carried on local flights. An O&D revenue management system (which DL and most US network carriers use) will recognize when there isn't enough local demand to fill a flight and will make seats available for connections.

User currently offlineDeltaRules From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3698 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3607 times:

While we're on DL & CMH, did anybody else see that CMH-ATL has gone from 4 M88s, 1 738 & an ERJ to 3 738s, 2 M88s & an ERJ?

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