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Passengers Or Pigs?  
User currently offlineSkydrol From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 931 posts, RR: 10
Posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1957 times:

I have no idea who wrote this years ago; it was one of those almost unreadable 23rd-generation fax of a photocopy of a fax things that I just happened across again today... and even more appropriate ten (or more) years later! So I typed it here so everyone on a.net can see it... enjoy!


PASSENGERS OR PIGS

Heaven forbid if the airline ever treated their passengers the way some passengers treat the aircraft, and even worse, the way they treat airline employees.

Can you imagine going into their home, trashing their toilets, spitting on their floor, spilling everything you touch, putting your feet up on their $200 piece of financed furniture, demanding this and that, making a mess of the food you so kindly got them and generally acting like a pig out of the sty for the first time?

Have you ever taken the time and walked through an aircraft after 300 people have trashed it? You should... you'll see every conceivable thing, from used diapers, to barf bags used, but not properly disposed of, to soft drinks tossed across the floor and generally treating a $175 million aircraft worse than they would treat their $2,000 automobile, and yet the industry sits back and says nothing.

With the increased seat cost for new aircraft, it's time the airline industry took the bull by the horns and collectively educated the travelling public what an aircraft is, and WHAT IT COST to buy, let alone operate.

Could you imagine an announcement from the flight deck...
"Welcome aboard our 747. This aircraft cost $175 MILLION to purchase, that's over $400,000 per seat, about twice that most of you spend on a house that you will expect to last a lifetime. Since you are going to be with us for a short time, please keep your shoes off our seats, put the trash in the proper receptacle and pretend you are not at home, and don't trash our toilet because someone else has to use it after you. If you don't like the food please don't eat it and bring your own next time. If you are observed trashing the aircraft your money will be immediately refunded and you will be ejected from the aircraft at 40,000 feet"




LD4


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User currently offlineGVWOW From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 168 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1937 times:

Oink! I think a main reason people trash planes is that once they leave the airport, they will most likely never see the plane, crew, or any of it's passengers again. And they also don't own the thing, don't want to, and often view it as an unpleasant object.

User currently offlineDuff44 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1723 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1937 times:

I don't know about everyone else, but I try to do that stuff anyway.

I'm paying these people to fly the plane and get me to my destination safely and relatively comfortably (most coach is fine for me). That's it. The attendants and equipment aren't my property to (mis-)treat how I wish.

It p*sses me off when people treat the someone else's assets like their own possessions simply because they paid to use them.

Pathetic...  hissyfit 



I'll rassle ya for a bowl of bacon!
User currently offlineCargairMax50 From Canada, joined Apr 2006, 19 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1916 times:

Those problems are more seen on charter carriers (Air Transat, etc.) Those airlines carry lots of first time flyers and familys that go on vacation. I took a walk to the lavatory onboard a Transat A310 during a Transatlantic crossing (YUL to NTE) and oh boy... what a mess!! I am in total admiration of the heroes that courageously clean the cabin after each flight. It was in a state that i would do the same as Mr Burns does with his beds in the simpsons!! loll
Burn it then get a new Big grin


User currently offlineBtriple7 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1160 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1881 times:

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

I had a good laugh while reading that. Thanks Skydrol.

It's unfortunate to say that some aspects what you posted are true. Passengers generally don't care about the plane they fly on, as long as it is safe and will get them where they need to go. But that's the cost of doing business. Airlines aren't going to make passengers clean up after themselves. Why? Because they want to keep their passengers as happy as possible. If cleaning the cabin after ever flight means a happy group of customers, then so be it. It all about happy customers for these airlines

Now Ryanair on the other hand might start getting ideas from reading this thread.
Ryanair Rule #569: "If you make a mess, you have to pay for cleaning services"  Wink

Regards,
Btriple7



Just...fly.
User currently offlineM404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2220 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1851 times:
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At that rate I can see Ryanair spraying the entire cabin of airforce style c130 seating with a silicone sealer. Once the herd is dispersed F/As will done the rubber suits and hose down the cabin over the new ramp drainage system. Appropriate EU approved ecological disposal fees will be added of course.


Less sarcasm and more thought equal better understanding
User currently offlineAA777223 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1219 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1771 times:

While I 101% agree with you, that it is disgusting and selfish to damage property that is not yours, I do take one issue with your topic. I am paying to fly on that plane. It costs anywhere from several hundred to several thousand dollars to spend a few hours on that aircraft. I do therefore expect a certain level of service. I find it very annoying when people mistreat an airlines property, but I can be equally frustrated when an airline employee is rude, or when the equipment is not maintained to appropriate condition when you are paying to fly. I think the airlines and the passengers should come to a mutual understanding of the cost of the services provided and the quality of service people expect.


Sic 'em bears
User currently offlineBroocy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1751 times:

Ok. Different point of view here.

While there will always be a select few who go out to "trash" a plane, and their behaviour is inexcusable, the majority of passengers are considerate of their cabin environment and fellow passengers. It is not their fault that if they drop something it is impossible to retrieve from the floor because the seats are too closely spaced, turbulence knocks things off and the dimly lit bathrooms seem to have a variety of fiddly little buttons in odd places to make things work- it can be down right confusing.

Is a plane messy after 400 people are crammed into it for a 15 hour long haul? Yes. Is it trashed or mistreated, no. Let's no be insulting to passengers or pigs now.


User currently offlineB6FA4ever From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 816 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1706 times:

Quoting Broocy (Reply 7):
While there will always be a select few who go out to "trash" a plane, and their behaviour is inexcusable, the majority of passengers are considerate of their cabin environment and fellow passengers. It is not their fault that if they drop something it is impossible to retrieve from the floor because the seats are too closely spaced, turbulence knocks things off and the dimly lit bathrooms seem to have a variety of fiddly little buttons in odd places to make things work- it can be down right confusing.

Is a plane messy after 400 people are crammed into it for a 15 hour long haul? Yes. Is it trashed or mistreated, no. Let's no be insulting to passengers or pigs now.

Broocy,
as you have a few valid points in your post...i have to disagree with you for your ending. i took a look at your profile and it says nothing about you working for an airline (Pilot, F/A, customer service). If you are, forgive me...if not...please take a moment and put yourself in the shoes of at least F/A's or customer service.

for me that works about 120hrs a month...i am on a plane A LOT. i see things people do that is totally disgusting, rude, AND annoying. (most of my statements below are from my observations when working and traveling leisurely)

seeing a parent change their child's diaper ON A TRAY table...someone's nasty feet (with or without a sock) on the tray table...and then seeing someone thats nice as can be eating their meal on that same tray table. (If they only knew what happens on those trays).

or parents letting their kids throw their snack foods all over the floor (crushing them into the carpet) and not giving a care when they leave.

letting a baby play "bouncy-bounce" on the tray table and then find that after the flight and everyone has deplaned...the tray is now broken.

having a passenger have the balls to pee in a soda bottle, close it off, and leave the bottle in the seat back pocket.

i'm sorry, i see a whole lotta stuff that people would not dare do when they are at someone else's house.

==========

as for the "barfing". i know people feel really embarrassed if they puke on the plane. thats something that is (at times) unavoidable. its gross but i usually don't let that get to me.

anyways, i think i've said enough on that. thanx for reading.

~B6FA4ever


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12878 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1646 times:

I wonder if with fuller flights, the decline of in-flight service, people bringing on food or beverage with them on their flight and a decline in civil manners and beheavor in general, if there are more 'piggy' beheavor on flights over the recent years. With that said, I can understand some of the behavor and situations.
Changing diapers at the seat or tray table instead of the toilet, is kinda gross but you may have a single parent with more than 1 child and doesn't want to leave a child behind to go to the loo. Maybe it's a crowded flight and turbulant flight so difficult to get to the toilet area to undo the doo-dooed diaper.
As to trash left behind, perhaps the f/a's need to go through the a/c and ask passengers shortly before landing to collect garbage. You could also have a trash container as you enter the jetway and ask passangers to dispose of their trash and not leave it behind.


User currently offlineHBJZA From Switzerland, joined Jan 2006, 376 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1480 times:

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 9):
As to trash left behind, perhaps the f/a's need to go through the a/c and ask passengers shortly before landing to collect garbage. You could also have a trash container as you enter the jetway and ask passangers to dispose of their trash and not leave it behind.

It's always the same excuse : I left my rubbish on the floor because no one asked if I had rubbish to throw away ! I change my baby on the tray table because you didn't make an announcement informing where the changing table was !!!

COME ON - F/A's are not on board to educate people !!!!!!

A normal, sensed and educated person would ask for rubbish disposal, for where to change babies, etc....

I totally agree with the article, Pax are pigs and if EVERY airline would punish this kind of behaviour, there won't be any customer happiness issue !!!


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