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User currently offlineSDLSimme From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 442 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 21415 times:

There has been a discussion going on in a trip report regarding dress code on non-rev flights. Why is there a difference in dress codes between non-rev tickets and regular tickets? On non-rev, it appears to be a much stricter dress code. Why is that? I might be stupid for not knowing this, but hey, we all have new things to learn don't we?  Smile

Also, is there a difference between a non-rev ticket and a company ID ticket?

Thankful for answers.


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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7533 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 21407 times:

As a non-rev you typically represent the company, dressing sloppy doesnt go over well for a company's image.


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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 21392 times:

Quoting SDLSimme (Thread starter):
There has been a discussion going on in a trip report regarding dress code on non-rev flights. Why is there a difference in dress codes between non-rev tickets and regular tickets? On non-rev, it appears to be a much stricter dress code. Why is that? I might be stupid for not knowing this, but hey, we all have new things to learn don't we?

Also, is there a difference between a non-rev ticket and a company ID ticket?

Thankful for answers.

First of all, non-rev privileges are just that, a privilege, for working for the airline. Therefore, you are to dress and act as a guest. Secondly, in reality you don't have a seat reserved for you. It's a standby ticket. Looking like the slobs that paid for the ticket isn't going to improve your chance of getting on. Besides, if you dress above the dress code, say a dress shirt, khakis and dress shoes, you have a better chance of getting on when the flights are full.

I presume you mean positive space. That is when the company pays for the ticket and you have a confirmed seat. That's used when someone flies somewhere for company-sponsored training. The company will pay for the ticket so you can get there. A non-rev seat--it's really not a ticket, you don't know whether you have a seat until all the standbys clear--is just that.



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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8193 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 21379 times:

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 2):
Besides, if you dress above the dress code, say a dress shirt, khakis and dress shoes, you have a better chance of getting on when the flights are full.

That's not true, it's based on seniority. A better chance at 1st class, sure, but not above anyone else on the meal list.



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User currently offlineSK601 From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 976 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 21337 times:

Quoting N766UA (Reply 3):
That's not true, it's based on seniority. A better chance at 1st class, sure, but not above anyone else on the meal list.

Maybe at the airline you are working for. I work for KL and gate-agents at KL have the right to refuse non-rev passengers if they aren't dressed properly (properly dressed means clean clothing, no jeans, no sneakers, no t-shirts), no matter if they have a high priority (seniority) or listed for C-class. I once downgraded c-class listed staff and upgraded m-class listed staff on the same flight because the c-class passengers were not dressed properly for c-class. If you really look shabby you can be refused although the flight has seats available.


User currently offlineRicardoFG From Spain, joined Feb 2005, 677 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 21327 times:

As a nonrev you must represent the company. Not only that there is always a chance a nonrev could end up in business and wearing jeans and a tshirt on a company pass sitting in business class, that will look real good.....I personally think that a lot of people generally dress like slobs nowadays to travel which i find sad. It used to be everyone in there sunday best, now sitting next to someone wearing a tanktop and really high cut shorts or swim trunks for that matter i find appauling. Now if you are staff, take a little pride will ya?

User currently offlineBlackandWhite From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 21318 times:

BA Staff travel dress code

All employees and their eligible relatives travelling on rebate tickets, either on personal or duty travel must be neatly dressed and well groomed the following is intended as a guide

First/Club class
men may wear a suit or smart trousers. including cords and a jacket worn with a shirt and tie , smart collared casual shirt without a tie or a smart jumper Women may wear a skirt or trouser suit, dress or trousers and top worn with a jacket or coat.
Traveller Class
Staff travelling in the exonomy cabin on both international and domestic routes, may wear more casual clothes including smart jeans and training shoes.Employees should be aware that if there is a need to upgrade on departure those who do not comply with the dress code applicable to the available cabin will not be considered for upgrade.Items of sports or beach wear such as shorts or any other extremes of leisure wear are not acceptable.
Children under 16yrs should be dressed consistently with these standards
National dress of smart appearance is acceptable in all cabins

this policy also applies to other airline staff who want to travel on BA, only time i now ever wear a tie is when im flying on BA


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6870 posts, RR: 63
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 21243 times:

Quoting SK601 (Reply 4):
I once downgraded c-class listed staff and upgraded m-class listed staff on the same flight because the c-class passengers were not dressed properly for c-class.

Absolutely. I was once waiting to board a BA flight at LHR with my ID90 ticket. Prudently, I was wearing a shirt and tie etc., etc., etc. The ID90 family of three waiting beside me were all in denim. "There you go," smarmed the desk agent handing me my boarding ticket, "since you've made an effort I'm putting you in Business. Have a nice flight." (I did.) "As for you," he said turning to the Denim family, "I've a mind not to let you on at all - YOU SHOULD KNOW BETTER - but it's Christmas so I'll be nice. But you're all in Economy!"

On another flight some years and many miles away I handed over my ID90 for a domestic flight within the US on a sweltering day when the temperature was in three figures (F). "Do you have a necktie?" the check-in agent asked. "Yes, but..." I gestured at every other passenger in the queue wearing shorts and thin T-shirts. "Then please put it on," she said sternly and held on to my boarding pass till I did.

And in AKL my wife and I shuffled forward for the LAX flight and, eventually, handed over our tickets. "We're staff," my wife said. "I know," said the check-in agent, "you'd have to be, dressed like that!"

Having said that, before I knew any better I once checked in on a staff ticket (flying Swissair) wearing jeans, was given an Economy boarding card, was then called back to the gate and upgraded to Business, and was later called back to the gate and upgraded to First. It was 16 years ago when SR were still flying three classes within Europe. Keep EasyJet and Ryanair! Those were the days...


User currently offlineKaniksu From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 21236 times:

They tell you that as a non rev you represent the company but to the other passengers you are just another airline customer. They have no way to know you did not pay for your ticket unless you tell then and you are not allowed to do so. That leads me to believe that the airlines wish everyone to dress nicely in order to make their first/business product look more professional, but can only really enforce, or afford to enforce this with non paying passengers that are employees or have relations with employees.

AA Guest Travel Dress Code:

Dress Code for Pass Travelers
American and American Eagle have a dress code for travelers using employee travel privileges that are strictly enforced. Travelers who are improperly dressed will not be accommodated on the flight. Attire for all cabins should be well groomed, neat, clean, and in good taste. If in doubt, don't wear it. Traditional or casual business attire is required for first or business class accommodation. Coats, jackets, hosiery/sock and collars are not required.

The following attire is not acceptable in ANY cabin:
- Shorts or T-Shirts
- Sweatshirts or tank tops
- Jogging suits, workout clothing or leggings
- Micro-mini skirts
- Bare-midriff or provocative/revealing/see-through clothing
- Beach clothing or footwear, flip-flops
- Clothing with offensive terminology or graphics
- Clothing with holes/ragged or cutoff edges

The following attire is not acceptable in FIRST or BUSINESS class:
- Denim clothing (shirts or pants)
- Athletic footwear
- Split skirts above the knee
- Shorts

Note: children age 6 and under are permitted to wear shorts in coach.


User currently offlineAv8rPHX From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 713 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 21213 times:

I look at it as a respect thing... and the old saying goes "first impressions are everything". It may sound foolish but alot of times the gate agents do look at your attire. When I travel on carriers other than mine, I still adhere to the same dress code I have on my own carrier, co workers of mine tell me I overdress sometimes and that xyz airline doesnt care what you wear, but I still like to maintain that sense of respect since I am getting a free ride on carrier xyz. And as others have mentioned, it will sometimes benefit you in the form of being upgraded to F or Business class..

User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8193 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 21164 times:

Quoting SK601 (Reply 4):
work for KL and gate-agents at KL have the right to refuse non-rev passengers if they aren't dressed properly

Same for mine, but as long as you're within the requirments they can't say "oh, you're dressed nicer than him.. we'll take you."



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User currently offlineAerofan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1517 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 21038 times:

it's all a bunch of bull. I've non revved in suits and shirts and ties on SQ down to AA. Suit and or shirt and tie mattered not one bit. All seats were in Y. And you don't get on till all rev pax have boarded and some airlines have a policy not to upgrade non revs anyhow. So dressing like the revenue slobs should be possible

I like VS policy - you can wear a clean pair of jeans and a collared shirt and non rev in their J cabin.

Way to go Virgin!

Which reminds me - wasn't there some sort of policy on some airlines that if you were travelling to a tropical destination, casual dress while non revving was ok???


User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3524 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 20988 times:

At Southwest (unless the rules have change, which I doubt), jumpseat riders had to have a collared-button up shirt and dress pants at the minimum. I believe non revers had to wear a collared shirt and jeans were also not allowed.

Also, non-revers who travelled wearing company insignia were not allowed to drink alcohol.



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User currently offlineRemcor From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 20941 times:

I almost got DENIED in HKG on UA back from a backpacking trip in Veitnam. Nice shirt, ok pants, but was wearing the only ugly pair of hiking shoes that I brought with me. The gate agent in SGN didn't look down at my feet, but the one in HKG did, and probably wouldn't have let me on but I pleaded with her that I'd just put a blanket over my shoes or that I'd take my shoes off and my socks are nice and my feet are clean. In the end she let the flight attendant make the call... and I just took my shoes off and hid them.

User currently offlineShamrock_747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 20936 times:

Quoting Aerofan (Reply 11):
it's all a bunch of bull. I've non revved in suits and shirts and ties on SQ down to AA. Suit and or shirt and tie mattered not one bit. All seats were in Y.

The British Airways policy which is followed all of the time (almost!) is that staff will be seated in their entitled cabin, which is usually M/Y. Upgrades will only take place for operational requirements such as World Traveller cabins being full.

Personally I will dress smartly for a flight so I am eligible to be seated in a premium cabin should that be the only seat available on the aircraft. I have no expectation whatsoever to be upgraded simply because of my attire.

It appears to be a common misconception amongst many passengers, and from what I've read here also amongst some staff, that smart appearance means the airline is obliged to upgrade them.


User currently offlineTrekster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 20905 times:

I always, as my sharmrock staes above, dress smartly, just in case im lucky enough to get upgraded. Having a hard time getting my travel buddy to do the same though. I represent the airline, yea im not working, but i have access to something that is great, and dont want to lose it, so will always go smart. Only time i have worn jeans, and smart ones at that is on the Shuttle route, where we are allowed casual atire.

User currently offlineWDBRR From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 610 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 20758 times:

20 years ago, Eastern REQUIRED neck ties for men.
I once checked in at PBI to fly to EWR, the ticket
agent scolded me since I was not wearing a tie.
This was four hours before departure and I wanted
to be waitlisted since the flight was heavilly booked.
Times have changed.


User currently offlineSK973 From Sweden, joined Mar 2004, 327 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 20718 times:

Quoting Shamrock_747 (Reply 14):
Personally I will dress smartly for a flight so I am eligible to be seated in a premium cabin should that be the only seat available on the aircraft. I have no expectation whatsoever to be upgraded simply because of my attire.

It appears to be a common misconception amongst many passengers, and from what I've read here also amongst some staff, that smart appearance means the airline is obliged to upgrade them.

This is exactly why I always dress smartly when flying on ID-tickets. I never expect to be upgraded but just in case the only available seat is up front I wouldn't want to be denied that seat just because I couldn't be bothered to dress up for a couple of hours.


User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 20693 times:

Quoting SDLSimme (Thread starter):
Why is there a difference in dress codes between non-rev tickets and regular tickets?

Are you serious? What a ridiculous question.

As a paying customer, you have the right to wear anything that is non-offensive that you like.

When you are flying non-rev, even though you are relatively anonymous, you are still representing your company. You should dress in a manner that doesn't cheapen the experience for others on board.



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User currently offlinePhuebner From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 244 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 20687 times:

My father was a 37 year employee of TWA and anytime we flew we had to dress up. The first time I flew with a regular ticket and didn't dress up was a very strange experience.


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User currently offlineMalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3333 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 20671 times:

Quoting WDBRR (Reply 16):
20 years ago, Eastern REQUIRED neck ties for men.
I once checked in at PBI to fly to EWR, the ticket
agent scolded me since I was not wearing a tie.

SV does scold sometimes for men not wearing a tie currently, even in economy.



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User currently offlineCOSPN From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1606 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 20671 times:

20 years ago, Eastern REQUIRED neck ties for men.
I once checked in at PBI to fly to EWR, the ticket
agent scolded me since I was not wearing a tie.
This was four hours before departure and I wanted
to be waitlisted since the flight was heavilly booked.
Times have changed.

Was this non-rev or Regular Pax ???


User currently offlineAA777223 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1234 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 20662 times:

How is anyone supposed to know whether its a non rev ticket or not. I usually upgrade to a first or business class ticket, especially when flying internationally, and I dress comfortably. If you are going to be sleeping on a plane, I don't understand what's wrong with being tastefully and comfortably. Heck, you're paying to fly, what does it matter as long as its covering you up and not slovenly?


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User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5678 posts, RR: 45
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 20592 times:
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Not being an airline employee, I often pay for my own travel and I tend to dress neatly anyway, lots of reasons for that. One of those is I like to make a reasonable impression with those I meet. When I travel on company business I am aware I am representing my company so make perhaps a little more effort.

The discounted travel available to you airline employees, while perhaps not as generous as it was some years ago, is an immensely valuable privilege not available to us mere mortals. My counsel is to treat it that way!!

Quoting Aerofan (Reply 11):
So dressing like the revenue slobs should be possible

I guess this attitude, on the part of some airline employees towards those that pay your mortgages, feed your children and finance your heavily discounted globetrotting is one of the reasons that air travel is not that much fun for many of us "revenue slobs" anymore.



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Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 20584 times:
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25 Post contains images PHXMKEflyer : A few months ago I was non-reving from PHX-MKE and had planned on taking YX. When I showed up at the YX ticket counter they saw I had my Vans shoes on
26 Superfly : As others above have noted, flying non-rev is a privilege and being asked to look professional is not much to ask for when flying for free or for penn
27 Post contains images Lufthansa747 : I wouldn't want to sleep in a collared shirt either, that's why I always carry a pair of SQ F pyjamas with me. Thankfully the new ones aren't pink an
28 Post contains images Superfly : Are those the single piece pajamas with the footsies at the bottom? I used to love wearing those as a kid.
29 WDBRR : This was non-rev....EA charged $6.48 ow coach and $12.96 ow First class.
30 SDLSimme : Yes, I am serious. Why do you think I was asking? Anyway, thanks to the people that gave me answers to my question!
31 Lapper : Just what you can expect sometimes on this board, people to jump down someones throat when asking a simple question. Ever heard of the phrase "he who
32 Post contains images N1120A : That is shocking given their corporate culture and F/A uniforms That is even more surprising, given Herb's habits Interesting, given that many Moslem
33 Post contains images FXramper : Dunno...several times on D2 passes my uncle will list me in F class, but for whatever reason I opted for Y class and wore jeans. The gestapo AA gate
34 Planespotting : Nah, they are still an airline, with passengers who expect a somewhat professional atmosphere aboard their flights. If you were a pax and were at the
35 ChiGB1973 : When working for TZ, business attire was required, as it should be. Not only is it appropriate, but it makes you feel good. Most airlines I non-reved
36 Cedars747 : Same story with my cousin who works for Federal Express in Memphis,he was holding an non revenue ticket with Delta Airlines.He had to get back home a
37 Aerofan : Quoting Stealthz quoting Aerofan: Quoting Aerofan (Reply 11): So dressing like the revenue slobs should be possible I guess this attitude, on the part
38 Aerofan : I do not understand - how does wearing a clean pair of jeans and a collard shirt cheapen the flying experience of the pax around you? What brainwashin
39 NZFan : I'm coming from an even smaller country than New Zealand and everyone knows anyonebut even in a big country there is always the slim chance of having
40 StealthZ : What a crock, who is getting something for nothing here?? I PAY for my tickets. The expectation on the part of some industry employees that the airli
41 DLAgent : This is my first post. AS an airline employee I feel that when F seats are available, full fare Y or minimal discounted ticket purchasers should be ac
42 Post contains images Phelpsie87 : I fly non-rev on UAL several times a year. I have been given the explanation as mentioned in the thread. You represent the airline when you fly. When
43 NZFan : and I would also add frequent flyers (such as star gold etc...)
44 Aerofan : Quoting StealthNZ What a crock, who is getting something for nothing here?? I PAY for my tickets. The expectation on the part of some industry employe
45 Jhooper : I remember almost being denied boarding by a Delta agent when I was non-revving as a 13-year-old kid for not wearing a coat and tie in coach. Luckily
46 NWrr : My mantra from the very beginning when I started flying non-rev was "dress for first and expect coach." That way, if there magically happened to be a
47 StealthZ : Mr Aerofan, Do you know what is funny? I don't begrudge anyone getting the perks of their particular industry, the thing I begrudge is the lack of res
48 Molykote : I see it this way.... My non-rev travel benefits are a privilege and I am happy just to have a seat on an airplane to my intended destination. I dress
49 N1120A : No they aren't. They are a contractual right and form of payment for services. The airline doesn't do that out of their kindness of their hearts. The
50 Trekster : Non rev as stated above is where a airline staff member gets the ticket at a HEAVY discount. BA have ID90's (which im using on Friday woohoo) wher ei
51 Molykote : I'm technically considered management at my company as I am not represented by a union and am not working under a contract (unless it is implicit per
52 Flyboy36y : I think that a dress code is important. It is the least an employe can do for flying free.
53 Post contains images Beowulf : I'd like to chime on this thread and make a counter argument to the privilege theme. Non-rev travelling is a fringe benefit. It usually means (as in m
54 Lamedianaranja : No no no! They'll never pay for a high fare again! Commercially it's very unwise to upgrade them for free, let them pay for it. Money or miles! Every
55 Cessna172RG : I have flown non-rev on AS wearing jeans and a neat shirt (no logo) in their First class cabin. Generally, AS's non-rev rules are a lot more lax than
56 DLAgent : I do know there are gate agents who feel they have power when it comes to the Non Rev list. It is unfortunate that many agents feel this is an area wh
57 Post contains images GrinddalSK340 : I nearly Always Fly Non-Rev. but I don't Represent the Company, I just get em through my dad... BUT I ALWAYS DRESS IN A SUIT
58 David L : What? Exactly! Aerofan, people here are simply explaining why airline staff's employers enforce these rules. If an employee has a problem with the dr
59 N1120A : Even without union representation, you still have a contract for employment. Offer and Exceptance with bargained for consideration Actually, there is
60 Post contains images Pilotaydin : out here at our airline presentation is a really big issue, when we fly non rev to our hometown, even though it's a pain, we have to wear a suit n tie
61 David L : Yes, I was only saying that whether you regard discounted travel as a privelge or as a right, the terms are there.
62 DLAgent : Who in Domestic "F" pays the the "F" fare anyway? Most full fare "Y" customers paid a higher fare than most sitting in "F" with an upgrade. I maintai
63 David L : Good point and surely most, if not all, non-rev passengers will continue to non-rev whether they get upgraded on a particular flight or not.
64 HarrisAir : Here are the rules for AS nonrevvers: 3. Dress Code Good grooming and appropriate attire reflects on you and your dependents, as well as Alaska Airlin
65 Canib7599 : I have had the good fortune of flying on numerous airlines on stand-by tickets during my 32 year career. One needs to differentiate in flying non-rev
66 AA777223 : I know what non-revving is. I just meant how is anyone else in the cabin supposed to know? It's not like you're wearing a badge saying, "I am flying
67 Aerofan : Milykote, welcome to my respect list. DLAgent, When operational requirements demand it, we too upgrade our "most loyal fliers and full fare passengers
68 Charlipr : A couple of years ago I was non-reving on AA, and bumped into an old friend that was doing the same thing. I was wearing khaki pants and a polo shirt,
69 Shamrock_747 : That is not the case at BA - it is made clear that travel concessions are non-contractual and may be withdrawn or changed by the company at any time.
70 MesaMXORD : WOW this got heated. When you are Positive Space we are required to wear our company badge. When I fly space available I dress for F and list for F (a
71 SCCutler : It is a showing of appropriate respect, a means of enhancing the travel atmosphere for the paying pax, and a miniscule irritant incomparison to the va
72 Post contains images Boeingfanyyz : You probably shouldnt look like this: But, you shouldnt look like this, either: However, this may be what you are looking for: Just my $0.02 (CDN) Che
73 Post contains images David L : Where did I express any resentment whatsoever about non-revving? I was supporting those who were explaining why most airlines have a dress code for t
74 Post contains images OHLHD : I want to give my 2 cents as well. I just returned from a wonderful Brazil Adventure and I have to admit that in my flight from REC to SSA I wore shor
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