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Etihad Announce 3 More Destinations  
User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4906 posts, RR: 15
Posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5324 times:

I somehow missed this till now and have not seen it on this forum till now.
EY announce service to Paris (CDG), Dhaka and Casablanca. I was under the impression that they were experiencing extreme aircraft shortages, so how are thes going ahead so quickly?

http://www.etihadairways.com/Present...-4E7B-8447-A05398C54CC3&newsid=112

YOWza


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User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5309 times:

Although good news, this has already been discussed before!

They annouced this news at the beginning of April  Smile

EY are receiving aircraft at a pretty fast rate this year  Smile

Rob!  wave 


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4834 posts, RR: 44
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4961 times:

yes few new A 332s and B 773ERs have arrived in the fleet thus increasing the number of aircraft in service.

etihad is showing signs of being a spoilt brats airline...today in YYZ they announced that u can fly in FULL FARE Y CLASS one way using SEAT SALE rates bookable in Q class!!!

Y class fares are usually full fare economy...just goes to show how desperate they have become out of YYZ market.


User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2224 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4740 times:
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Quoting Behramjee (Reply 2):
just goes to show how desperate they have become out of YYZ market.

As in... are they struggling to get enough bums on seats out of YYZ? What aircraft do they use?



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User currently offlineAirbusfanYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2002, 1436 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4447 times:

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 2):
Y class fares are usually full fare economy...just goes to show how desperate they have become out of YYZ market.

IMO most of the pax out of YYZ they are targetting are not O&D to AUH, but rather onward to South Asia. Unfortunately they just don't have as strong a network in place yet to capture more of those travellers.

EK would have been a better entrant into YYZ at this time with service to KHI, LHE, PEW, ISB, BOM, DEL, HYD, CCU, MAA, BLR, TRV, COK, CMB, and DAC.

EY currently only flies to KHI, LHE, PEW, ISB, BOM, DEL, CMB and soon DAC.
Adding more cities in India will help them out of YYZ IMO.

Cheers,
Kaz



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User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4834 posts, RR: 44
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4158 times:

its not about where EY fly to from YYZ...the problem is that their route network planning dept has no concept of implementing an effective hub and spoke system at AUH.

From and to YYZ via AUH, their connections are as follows :

DEL - once a week only
BOM - twice a week only

KHI - thrice a week
LHE - once a week
ISB - twice a week
PEW - twice a week going from here to there but once a week


User currently offlineHeathrow From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 980 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3856 times:

The EY counters are always packed when I'm at YYZ late at night. I think they also rap up a lot of people on the SN codeshare.

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 3):
What aircraft do they use?

They're using a 332 on the YYZ run. IMHO, they should use a larger aircraft. I think the demand is there. But they seem to be doing fine.


It'll be exciting to see if EY catches up with EK, and if they clash.


User currently offlineQuig From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3818 times:
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when are they starting EWR?

User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4834 posts, RR: 44
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3698 times:

Quoting Quig (Reply 7):
when are they starting EWR?

late June or early July 2006

Quoting Heathrow (Reply 6):
The EY counters are always packed when I'm at YYZ late at night. I think they also rap up a lot of people on the SN codeshare.

loads into YYZ are in the 70-75% range...loads out of YYZ are in the 60% range during the last 2 months.


User currently offlineTRVYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1375 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3628 times:

Quoting AirbusfanYYZ (Reply 4):
EK would have been a better entrant into YYZ at this time with service to KHI, LHE, PEW, ISB, BOM, DEL, HYD, CCU, MAA, BLR, TRV, COK, CMB, and DAC.

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Exactly my thoughts.
EK in its place would have been packed and also people won't mind a few extrabucks and I believe duty free shopping at Dubai would be great.


User currently offlineTS-IOR From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3489 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3405 times:

Are ALG, TIP and TUN on the agenda ?

User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4927 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 3275 times:

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 8):
Quoting Quig (Reply 7):
when are they starting EWR?

late June or early July 2006

There leaving it a bit late for an announcement arent they?



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User currently offlineFiriko From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 151 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 3112 times:

Is Etihad likely to start services to Istanbul in the near future ? Istanbul is a popular destination for Arabs. Turkish Airlines has recently re started service to Abu Dhabi after Dubai.

User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2399 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2884 times:
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Maybe a silly question, but, could we see EY flying AUH-YYZ non-stop in the mid term thanks to their 77Ws ??

Are their yields and loads satisfying for the BRU stop ?

Rgds,


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User currently offlineAirbusfanyyz From Canada, joined Oct 2002, 1436 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2694 times:

Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 13):
Maybe a silly question, but, could we see EY flying AUH-YYZ non-stop in the mid term thanks to their 77Ws ??

There has been rumours of this happening. I don't know how credible they are however. I would love to see it, especially if it means their flight arrives and/or departs in daylight.

Cheers,
Kaz



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User currently offlineSNBru From Belgium, joined Feb 2005, 168 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2527 times:

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 8):
loads into YYZ are in the 70-75% range...loads out of YYZ are in the 60% range during the last 2 months.

What are the loads for this flight? Which percentage of the passengers go off the plane in BRU?


User currently offlineBDRules From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2000, 1501 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2432 times:

Whats the chance of EY offering flights to Australia, ei SYD, MEL BNE???? there has to still be a market for them there and also, are they going to look at regional airports such as EMA, NCL, BRS in the UK?

Regards

Stu


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4834 posts, RR: 44
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2403 times:

Quoting SNBru (Reply 15):

What are the loads for this flight? Which percentage of the passengers go off the plane in BRU?

I have been told by EY staff as well as AUH airline staff of other airlines that the yield that EY generates on its AUH-BRU-AUH route is very high with J & Y class each seeing consistent loads of 70-75% and F class 30-40%.

YYZ is an extremely low yielding route for them and their current seat sale of $ 1150 + tax for YYZ-KHI/BOM/DEL-YYZ doesnt even break even their operational costs.


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4834 posts, RR: 44
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2396 times:

EYs biggest problem at YYZ is the SN Brussels codeshare which blocks 80 seats for themselves on the BRU-YYZ-BRU route and they dont release these seats until 72 hrs before the flight leaves thus causing mayhem to EYs YYZ load factors. If u have SABRE or AMADEUS on you right now, go check the availability of YYZ-AUH flights for end May or even June-July and u will realize that Y-Economy class seats are all blocked!!!

SN Brussels too codeshare on the AUH-BRU-AUH route for which they have an allocation of 40-50 seats Im made to believe.


User currently offlineAirzim From Zimbabwe, joined Jun 2001, 1226 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2331 times:

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 18):
EYs biggest problem at YYZ is the SN Brussels codeshare which blocks 80 seats for themselves on the BRU-YYZ-BRU route and they dont release these seats until 72 hrs before the flight leaves thus causing mayhem to EYs YYZ load factors.

Then that's EY's problem. Most airlines with hard blocks have similar arrangements and if they didn't secure seat revenue guarantees for unsold SN blocked seats, then tough luck.

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 5):
its not about where EY fly to from YYZ...the problem is that their route network planning dept has no concept of implementing an effective hub and spoke system at AUH.

From and to YYZ via AUH, their connections are as follows :

DEL - once a week only
BOM - twice a week only

KHI - thrice a week
LHE - once a week
ISB - twice a week
PEW - twice a week going from here to there but once a week

I think that's a pretty broad statement. When working with QR and EK, India and Pakistan had huge seat restrictions into their markets thus preventing the Gulf carriers from expanding with either bigger planes or with more frequencies. That may be the reason for the lack of good onward connections.

This is likely to change either with relaxation of the traffic restrictions, increase in available fleet and/or both. As to why EY started YYZ who knows. Likely trying to get into the market before EK takes over.


User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2399 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2296 times:
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Quoting Behramjee (Reply 17):
I have been told by EY staff as well as AUH airline staff of other airlines that the yield that EY generates on its AUH-BRU-AUH route is very high with J & Y class each seeing consistent loads of 70-75% and F class 30-40%.

Does EY really sell F-class fares ? Because they sometimes fly their new A332s which are C/Y class configured. Of course correct me if i'm wrong  Wink  Wink


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