Kkfla737 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1033 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 10375 times:
I do not believe Kingfisher has been cleared to fly int'l. The only Indian flag carriers allowed to fly abroad to my knowledge are Air India, Indian (Airlines), Jet Airways and Air Sahara, who of course is in the process of being integrated into Jet.
RoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 8753 posts, RR: 52 Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 month 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 10346 times:
Quoting Kkfla737 (Reply 2): I do not believe Kingfisher has been cleared to fly int'l. The only Indian flag carriers allowed to fly abroad to my knowledge are Air India, Indian (Airlines), Jet Airways and Air Sahara, who of course is in the process of being integrated into Jet.
If I remember correctly, private Indian airlines had to be flying for something like 5 years before they could go international. I am pretty certain that eventually Kingfisher would be planning to go international, otherwise they wouldn't have ordered those huge Airbus planes.
If you have never designed an airplane part before, let the real designers do the work!
What I gather from the link is that, they intend to fly US-India non-stop with these aircrafts. As others have pointed out, they don't have the permission to fly out international. As per current Govt of India policy, they'll have to wait till 5yrs from the date of inception of service.
On the side note, the promoter of the airlines has certain ace up his sleeve that shall allow him to open a subsidiary in US and fly to India non-stop as an American airlines. Don't see it happening that soon, but then these planes aren't coming tomorrow either.
rgds
VT-ASJ
CXA330300 From South Africa, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 1500 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 9971 times:
Didn't Kingfisher start only two years ago? Isn't this expansion too fast, too soon? Perhaps they'll go kaput....
The sky is the limit as long as you can stay there
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9838 times:
Quoting Aseem (Reply 4): On the side note, the promoter of the airlines has certain ace up his sleeve that shall allow him to open a subsidiary in US and fly to India non-stop as an American airlines. Don't see it happening that soon, but then these planes aren't coming tomorrow either.
I don't see this happening too soon either.....the DOT isn't just going to give any carrier who has money the ability/license to fly into the United States from an international destination...it will take quite a while before they get DOT approval...and with Mallya's kids being United States Citizens and starting a company based out of the United States, the DOT will probably be even more skeptical..as they would view this as some kind of "back door" attempt to circumvent everything else...
Nimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3078 posts, RR: 9 Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 9505 times:
There was speculation in the media this weekend, about IT considering buying an international airline - so Mallya could then start internationl flights to/from India.
HAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31201 posts, RR: 58 Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 9166 times:
Quoting Nimish (Reply 9): There was speculation in the media this weekend, about IT considering buying an international airline - so Mallya could then start internationl flights to/from India.
IT seems to be expanding too fast for comfort.
regds
MEL
Nimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3078 posts, RR: 9 Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8867 times:
Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 10): IT seems to be expanding too fast for comfort.
Hardly - look at the way DN has expanded to what's too fast (given their track record of delays and more delays). At least IT has managed the expansion well - and has flights that are usually on time.
HAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31201 posts, RR: 58 Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8804 times:
Quoting Nimish (Reply 12): At least IT has managed the expansion well - and has flights that are usually on time.
Comparatively IT is def better position than DN.Although certain Mx details cannot be posted on this Forum.
Hopefully this time around the Aviation bubble does not burst.
regds
MEL
Vega From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8559 times:
Quoting CXA330300 (Reply 6): Didn't Kingfisher start only two years ago?
Almost exactly 1 year ago.
A quote from a press release:
"...Kingfisher Airlines commenced operations on May 9th, 2005 with a brand new fleet of aircraft. Kingfisher Airlines offers Full Service at True Value and promises an unparalleled experience to the Indian air traveler. On offer are extra-wide seats and spacious leg room, delicious gourmet meals, international-class cabin crew and a whole host of comforts and delights. Kingfisher Airlines also facilitates doorstep delivery of tickets on guest request....."
Gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16215 posts, RR: 88 Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 8419 times:
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 8): I don't see this happening too soon either.....the DOT isn't just going to give any carrier who has money the ability/license to fly into the United States from an international destination..
What? This isn't the third world, this is India and the airline is part of one of India's most massive companies.
If India licenses Kingfisher to do so, the DOT will not stand in the way for no reason.
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 8): and with Mallya's kids being United States Citizens and starting a company based out of the United States, the DOT will probably be even more skeptical..as they would view this as some kind of "back door" attempt to circumvent everything else...
Its perfectly legal. United States citizens starting a airline and flying routes that are part of a liberal bilateral agreement.
It IS a back door, but a perfectly legal one. The DOT can't arbitrarily say they can't fly.
Legacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1843 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8311 times:
Quoting Behramjee (Reply 15): Kingfisher has chosen EWR and SJC airport in USA for its A 345 future nonstop flights.
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8262 times:
Quoting Gigneil (Reply 16): What? This isn't the third world, this is India and the airline is part of one of India's most massive companies.
If India licenses Kingfisher to do so, the DOT will not stand in the way for no reason.
it was in response to certain "loopholes" which the DOT won't fall for...
Quoting Gigneil (Reply 16): Its perfectly legal. United States citizens starting a airline and flying routes that are part of a liberal bilateral agreement.
It IS a back door, but a perfectly legal one. The DOT can't arbitrarily say they can't fly.
sure they can.....certainly Kingfisher has the right to fight and and win...but if the DOT doesn't want KingFisher to be flying to the United States....they aint flying, especially if they feel KingFisher is pulling some kind of "back-door" policy....and who's going to rule over them? A court of law (most possible scenerio)? congress (probably not)? president (probably not)?
the article also states that they are going to start worlds longest non-stop flight, completly forgetting that SQ's current SIN-EWR is longer than what they'll fly in 2008.
Check out Gr8 Circle Mapper
rgds
VT-ASJ
InitRef From India, joined Nov 2000, 118 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7753 times:
Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 13): Comparatively IT is def better position than DN.Although certain Mx details cannot be posted on this Forum.
Don't know people in IT, but what I hear from Paramount and Deccan (particularly on the ATR) in MX and Flightops are also best not posted publicly.....
Poitin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7704 times:
Quoting Gigneil (Reply 16): Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 8):
and with Mallya's kids being United States Citizens and starting a company based out of the United States, the DOT will probably be even more skeptical..as they would view this as some kind of "back door" attempt to circumvent everything else...
Its perfectly legal. United States citizens starting a airline and flying routes that are part of a liberal bilateral agreement.
It IS a back door, but a perfectly legal one. The DOT can't arbitrarily say they can't fly.
The DOT gave Virgin America a hell of a tough time because of the way they "hid" Bronson's part of it. But generally speaking, it should work.
25 Flying Belgian: BLR-SJC non-stop with a premium cabin !! I'm quite sure it will be massive money maker !! FB.
26 Poitin: Absolutely! You must know the San Jose area. Particularly Fremont. This airline will be running two or three flights a day to SJC before long. It is
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