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User currently offlineGr8SlvrFlt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1609 posts, RR: 10
Posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5461 times:

AirTran is undertaking some widespread product and service improvements. The 717s are getting leather seats in Business Class (about fifteen outfitted so far) and new seat covers in Economy (the same pattern as current). The oldest 717s are also getting new, thicker seat cushions. The jetways in Atlanta are being fitted with A/C units to cool the planes without running the APUs. Electronic credit card machines for inflight drink sales are now being tested. There are numerous cabin cleaning initiatives underway as well as a change to LSG Skychefs for Atlanta provisioning. New flooring and wall coverings at ATL are also in the works. The rampers will be glad to know belt loaders are being added for 717s. There are also many operational changes, like increased turn times, coming that will improve on time performance over last summer's disaster. The 5th runway should help, too. All in all, lots of good stuff.

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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7558 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5446 times:

Quoting Gr8SlvrFlt (Thread starter):
The 717s are getting leather seats in Business Class

Are the new leather seats the same ones (Recaros) that their 73Gs have? If so, those are the same exact seats (except the color) that YX uses on their Signature Service 717s. I noticed that on a recent FL flight (my first on their 73Gs) I was on last Saturday night. I thought to myself, "Hey, those are YX's seats only in dark blue."



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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6789 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5435 times:

Any more connecting of the dots gonna happen?


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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9268 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5435 times:

Nice! Another airline trying to improve its customer satisfaction. GO FL!


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User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5435 times:

I hate to say it, but those first class seats in the old dc9s were pretty comfortable. Where they originally Delta seats?

User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5380 times:

Quoting Gr8SlvrFlt (Thread starter):
There are numerous cabin cleaning initiatives underway as well as a change to LSG Skychefs for Atlanta provisioning.

That's quite a surprise there. Perhaps this is the best way to do it since the airline has grown like it has. I remember when I was working there the failed "cater the a/c via the jetway" idea. Lasted all of a few weeks as the area of the jetway where the catering supplies was kept looked like crap and there was much pilferage as well. They did away with most of the catering and cleaning dept during this experiment (the only catering folks were the ones that put together the liquor kits and those that delivered them and bags of ice to a/c), and the cleaning was done by the ramp crews on each gate.

Quoting Gr8SlvrFlt (Thread starter):
The jetways in Atlanta are being fitted with A/C units to cool the planes without running the APUs.

That's been a long needed item there. When I worked there 6-7 years ago, we had two maybe three air conditioning carts. During the summer, you have to take it away from a gate that was using it to keep themselves cool in between flights (Our crew was notorious for this).

Quoting Gr8SlvrFlt (Thread starter):
Electronic credit card machines for inflight drink sales are now being tested.

Way overdue there. I only used the current system once, and it took about 10 days to reach my account. And with today's concerns about identity theft, not having a piece of paper with the imprint of your card floating around is a good thing.

Quoting Quickmover (Reply 4):
I hate to say it, but those first class seats in the old dc9s were pretty comfortable.

They sure were. One of the few times I've ever really gotten a good nap in on a flight was in one of those seats.


User currently offlineGr8SlvrFlt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1609 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5369 times:

Are the new leather seats the same ones (Recaros) that their 73Gs have?

The seats themselves have not changed. Just new leather seatcovers. Nothing new with the former-TWA seats except greater recline. They'll probably eventually get leather covers, too.


User currently offlineOttoPylit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5091 times:

Quoting Gr8SlvrFlt (Thread starter):
AirTran is undertaking some widespread product and service improvements.

I really don't think the word's "Airtran" and "improvements" should be used in the same sentence. I would strongly caution against it. After all, these "improvements" are things that every other airline seemingly already has.

Quoting Gr8SlvrFlt (Thread starter):
The oldest 717s are also getting new, thicker seat cushions.

What happened? Did the "ergonomic"(read:less cushioning) seating just not work out? I guess people finally got tired of feeling the outline of the seat being indented into their skin?

Quoting Gr8SlvrFlt (Thread starter):
The jetways in Atlanta are being fitted with A/C units to cool the planes without running the APUs.

It took Valujet 13 years to learn that running APU's burns fuel and costs money? Geesh, took them long enough to pick up on it. Looks like this little investment was long overdue.

Quoting Gr8SlvrFlt (Thread starter):
Electronic credit card machines for inflight drink sales are now being tested.

Are people planning to buy enough booze that they won't have a couple of bucks in their wallet? I could understand if they were selling food and snacks as well, otherwise this actually sounds like a waste of electronic usage. Bring on the drunks!

Quoting Gr8SlvrFlt (Thread starter):
There are numerous cabin cleaning initiatives underway as well as a change to LSG Skychefs for Atlanta provisioning.

Oh, darn. No more of the, "Lets have the ramp throw supplies at the flight attendants?" Sheesh, that was always a nice little gameb to watch. A FL F/A friend is surprised there weren't more OJI's reported than there was from stuff knocking into a flight attendant from a bad tosser.

Quoting Gr8SlvrFlt (Thread starter):
New flooring and wall coverings at ATL are also in the works.

Joe Leonard:"Hey, Delta opened a Crown Room on C Concourse. Lets throw down some new carpet and turn some heads." sarcastic 

Quoting Gr8SlvrFlt (Thread starter):
The rampers will be glad to know belt loaders are being added for 717s.

Hmm, this is intersting. This seems to go against Airtran's work ethic of "making the Airtran ramp more dangerous than a stampeding herd of buffalo." It seems FL's focus has always been to save a buck on GSE while making your employee's work like dogs without proper equipment in order to try to keep the place running. So why the sudden change? Was it because too many planes were getting busted into with the whole "lets pull the carts alongside" routine? Or was it because those bag carts don't fit too well in the rear bins and kept running into the engine or wings? I really thing management needs to look into this again. If they aren't careful, it might appear they are trying to help the employee's. And if the employees think that, then they will just want, want, want.

Quoting Gr8SlvrFlt (Thread starter):
All in all, lots of good stuff.

You mean, "all in all, lots of stuff that we should have had from the beginning," right?




OttoPylit


User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5338 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5045 times:

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 7):
Are people planning to buy enough booze that they won't have a couple of bucks in their wallet? I could understand if they were selling food and snacks as well, otherwise this actually sounds like a waste of electronic usage. Bring on the drunks!

Hey, Otto. (I know that you enjoy gigging the competition, and I'm not complaining about that.) Actually, they've been on a purely cashless system for drinks for a long time now. They rolled it out using the el-cheapo imprinters so they wouldn't be stuck with a big capital expense if it didn't work. From a post early in the program, as was frankly predictable, liquor *consumption* didn't increase, but liquor *revenue*, IIRC, more than doubled. Liquor kits and liquor cash were always a substantial shrinkage item at most airlines, and doing away with the cash had the benefits that they expected, so this is a logical next step to speed up the process. I actually think that it was a pretty good idea, and one that really doesn't impair customer service for most customers.


User currently offlineBH From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 525 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4994 times:

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 7):
What happened? Did the "ergonomic"(read:less cushioning) seating just not work out? I guess people finally got tired of feeling the outline of the seat being indented into their skin?

Is it just me or are the seats on FL's 717's wider than DL's MD-88's. I know DL's have more leg room, but when I was walking down the isle on a DL 88 today i noticed that it was wider than FL's so I sat in a seat to check it out and the seat was definately not as wide than FL's. It felt like a cheap hotel....No ballroom.


User currently offlineKohflot From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4952 times:

Hmm.. so no more carpet in the C concourse with a design reminiscent of very large fingernail clippings? Or will the DL side still offer it?

User currently offlineJmhluv2fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 559 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4931 times:

Good to see AirTran is making changes they believe will continue to position the company competitively. I for one hope they opt to do more then just recover the business class seats with leather, on the 717's, I tend to find the little pillow behind the head to be a little uncomfortable, never can position the thing just right but regardless, I suppose up to now, the company has been able to do without leather what the majors have not been able to do with leather and all the extras, ie.make money, so I guess management didnt put 717 leather seats at the top of the priority list, but now they are, which is addition.
As far as belt loader use, when I was with the company a couple year back, they started allowing stations to use beltloaders in the rear only, and if agents pull the carts into position by the bin correctly, the carts should not be an issue for the wings, procedure is to pull carts wing to nose in the front and wing to tail in the rear, never tail to wing. I can remember when they started allowing stations to use the loaders, and we all looked at each other and said, man its quicker without the belt loader, so most of the time we opted the old way, I see the FL folks use the loader quite abit now though.
As for the use of APU's, I see how Delta keeps the GPU running between flight turns more then FL does, AirTran has started connecting the A/C hose with APU off, and while it does depend on the crew, often Delta keeps that back engine going...$$. As for the MD-88 seat sizes, I am not sure which side has the bigger seats, but I do believe one side has a wider seat then the other.
I usually opt for the Emergency exit row when open, and those seats usually work fine.
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User currently offlineOttoPylit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4746 times:

Quoting BH (Reply 9):
Is it just me or are the seats on FL's 717's wider than DL's MD-88's. I know DL's have more leg room, but when I was walking down the isle on a DL 88 today i noticed that it was wider than FL's so I sat in a seat to check it out and the seat was definately not as wide than FL's. It felt like a cheap hotel....No ballroom.

Who said anything about the seat size? I clearly remember speaking about the padding in the seat, of which there is none. Now, if you can't argue that, then why do it in the first place? I find it interesting that was the ONLY thing you could find to argue as well. Oh, by the way, the seats on the 717 are 1 inch wider, but the seat pitch on the MD-88 are 1-2 inches more. So you get more on the latter. Most people are taller, not fatter.

Quoting Jmhluv2fly (Reply 11):
Delta keeps that back engine going...$$

Does DL have A/C carts or jetway in PNS? I think not. They do, however, in ATL.



OttoPylit


User currently offlineRumorboy From United States of America, joined Aug 2002, 356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4690 times:

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 12):
Most people are taller, not fatter

Really? I think almost 60% of americans are considered overweight. Better check your facts.


User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4642 times:

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 7):

airTran can't be any worse than DGS, Otto. Besides, what's wrong with a little competition. One of the reasons I chose DL in the first place was because they didn't do the sort of price gouging that NW does at their hubs. US used to do the same thing in PIT for years. If DL did that, I'd have no respect for them.



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User currently offlineOttoPylit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 23 hours ago) and read 4440 times:

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 14):
airTran can't be any worse than DGS, Otto.

I never said they were. I wasn't the one that started comparing airlines, someone further up on the thread started that one. As far as if they are or aren't worse than DGS, thats debatable. The pay starts off about the same. At least at DGS, I'm pretty sure they give you enough people to work with. When you see 2 people working a flight in ATL of all places, its a sad sight. And very dangerous, at that.

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 14):
what's wrong with a little competition.

Nothing, I think competition is great. Where did you get that from?

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 14):
One of the reasons I chose DL in the first place was because they didn't do the sort of price gouging that NW does at their hubs. US used to do the same thing in PIT for years. If DL did that, I'd have no respect for them.

Good to hear. But I don't know, management at FL likes to try to let others know that DL is the big bad wolf and will do anything to jack their fares up. Especially when DL announced that there will no longer be an Airtran route that will not have DL competition, what was the first thing FL management did? Try to get the airports of MLI and BMI to discourage DL from entering the market. I don't know why were concerned. Whats wrong with a little competition?

Quoting Rumorboy (Reply 13):
I think almost 60% of americans are considered overweight. Better check your facts.

Well, you can think what you want, I guess thats why your name is rumor. But during my days as a gate agent, I remember most people asking for seats with more legroom because, "I'm a pretty tall person." I don't remember most people asking for wider seats because, "My ass is as big as a semi." Now, I don't know what kind of people you keep attracting at FL, but you must be getting the rejects from WN that are forced to buy another seat.



OttoPylit


User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6613 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 22 hours ago) and read 4379 times:

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 7):
It took Valujet 13 years to learn that running APU's burns fuel and costs money?

It must not have cost them to much....cause they're not BANKRUPT like Delta  wave 



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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 22 hours ago) and read 4329 times:

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 15):
At least at DGS, I'm pretty sure they give you enough people to work with. When you see 2 people working a flight in ATL of all places, its a sad sight. And very dangerous, at that.

DGS was just as understaffed at times. One of the reasons I quit was because our station manager was too cheap to hire enough people. I got tired of constantly being switched from cabin service to ramp, and then back again. Sorry about the slight rant, I do remember you screaming bloody murder for ICT's handling of the FL subisidies, or lack thereof. I was debating what airline to try next. PSA didn't work out so well, and I was able to leave DL on good terms, but don't wish to return to that hornet's nest. YX might be an option as well. PIT doesn't have a whole lot of options as far as airline employment. What do you do for DL, if you don't mind my asking.



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User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 22 hours ago) and read 4308 times:

Good move by FL IMO

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 7):

Is it me or does this guy hate FL lol  wink 



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User currently offlineTravatl From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2174 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 21 hours ago) and read 4245 times:

Yeah, Otto's probably the biggest naysayer of AirTran on these boards. SOME of his rants have some validity, but most should just be taken with a grain of salt... we all have our opinions, right?

- Travis


User currently offlineOttoPylit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 21 hours ago) and read 4245 times:

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 16):
It must not have cost them to much....cause they're not BANKRUPT like Delta

There ya go again. Can't say much positive about the airline in question, so you have no choice but to go after another. Desperation has a stinky cologne.

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 17):
I do remember you screaming bloody murder for ICT's handling of the FL subisidies

Well, an airline and public officials breaking the law in full view of the FAA was just icing on the cake. Had a nice little scheme going on there until it was brought out. Needless to say, ICT citizens weren't too happy their money was going into the pockets of a regional airline just in an attempt to keep fares low, when that airline would not add growth to the market. Kinda defeats the purpose, no?

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 17):
YX might be an option as well.

I say go for it. They've had some troubling times lately, but from what I know, YX is still "America's Favorite Little Airline."

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 17):
What do you do for DL, if you don't mind my asking.

I basically decide where to put airplanes all day long.


Anyone else find it interesting that whenever an FL thread comes up, no one really pays attention, except for the FL people on the forum? I do.




OttoPylit


User currently offlineOttoPylit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 21 hours ago) and read 4218 times:

Quoting Travatl (Reply 19):
Yeah, Otto's probably the biggest naysayer of AirTran on these boards. SOME of his rants have some validity

Well, I feel if your going to be a critic of something, you might as well be honest about it. Not every airline is perfect, and not every airline will make everyone happy. But if you actually follow the trail of Valujet/Airtran and look at it objectively, you will see it is nothing but a grenade with the pin pulled, just waiting to go BOOM.

Just curious Trav, which of my "rants" do have validity that you know of? I believe they all do, but I'm curious to hear your side of the story.



OttoPylit


User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9268 posts, RR: 21
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 21 hours ago) and read 4206 times:

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 14):
US used to do the same thing in PIT for years. If DL did that, I'd have no respect for them.

And people wonder why there is hardly any O&D demand at PIT...
Why do airlines do that anyway; it really doesn't maximize profits. It scares the pax away IMO...

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 18):
Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 7):


Is it me or does this guy hate FL lol



Quoting MD90fan (Reply 18):
Yeah, Otto's probably the biggest naysayer of AirTran on these boards. SOME of his rants have some validity, but most should just be taken with a grain of salt... we all have our opinions, right?

- Travis

After all, doesn't the guy work for DL or didn't he work for DL?  Smile



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User currently offlineTravatl From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2174 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 21 hours ago) and read 4190 times:

Ya know, Otto, I try to have respect for everybody on these threads - and unlike some of my colleagues, I will not be drawn into one of your tirades.

I've said it before, I'll say it again....there are plenty of organizations out there that I have extremely negative opinions about (Mesa Airlines for one), but I do not put forth the extreme effort that you do, to seek out and spew
such hateful, venemous, biased judgements at EVERY opportunity. I mean, really it's borderline obsessive, compulsive behavior

I also understand that part of your motivation is your amusementget at seeing the AirTran folks lose their minds over your rants, (Hell, even I think it's funny some time reading these guys blow their stacks), but in the end you come across as bitter and miserable, and easily dismissed. (Don't get me wrong, there's an FL employee on here that has matched you in that department in his own rants).

That all said, I reiterate that I will not engage in a lengthy defensive dialogue of ValuJet. This reponse was simply to opine on your offensive intrusions into otherwise professional, albeit boring discussions.

- Travis

P.S. Please feel free to retort with a nasty anti-AirTran response. You are nothing, if not predictable....


User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5950 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 21 hours ago) and read 4173 times:
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This DL/FL thread is just as vicious as any A/B thread. LOL!

25 Post contains images Srbmod : And Otto: Your hatred towards AirTran is so predictable and tiresome. I had hatred towards the airline for awhile after I was fired from there, but I
26 Flamant15 : I don't work for the airlines and I am not a huge fan of any one in particular. I think FL is a great airline. They are doing some really good things
27 Post contains images OttoPylit : Travis, I'm disappointed in you. You were one of the Airtran people on here that I respected, as you always seemed so calm and full of manners. But v
28 FL1TPA : ALLRIGHT EVERYONE - STAY SEATED, DON'T TALK AND DON'T MOVE AND NOONE GETS HURT! HE'S TAKING THIS THREAD TO HAVANA! Another AirTran thread successfully
29 Wjcandee : Otto, just out of curiosity...is this intended to imply something about safety? Or profitability? Or sustainability? It's a harsh point, but I'm not
30 Post contains images Steeler83 : From college, to kindergarten. Where's the popcorn? Watching this stuff is better than 5 hours str8 of Family Guy... ok... maybe not quite Did you fe
31 AvConsultant : B6 & FL has the best product in the air. Much nicer than any legacy carriers narrow body first class. J7 cost were in line where running an APU was n
32 AirTran737 : Travis were you referring to me with that one? If so, thank you. As far as Otto goes, on a competition level I think he's a douche bag. On a personal
33 OttoPylit : LOL I like that! And don't worry, your U.S. currency is good in Havana. Cubans LOVE Americans. No problem. Well, safety is one factor. And we all kno
34 IH8B6 : "AirTran Improvements " Using those two words in the same title is kind of an oxymoron....eh??? It's almost like saying "Jet Blue posts 1Q06 profit of
35 Post contains images OttoPylit : And your proof of this is where? Costs in line where running the APU was not an issue, or not able to be afforded? Everyone else could afford it. LOL
36 IH8B6 : Tell that to the weekly rioters in DAY on Saturday mornings. 30 minutes before departure: "Screw the customer, we're going to work the flight, see yo
37 FL1TPA : Hi Otto. Adding to the fray I really must comment on one of the points made in a previous post: I worked ramp in TPA for the entire duration of our "e
38 Indy : Got anything to back that claim up? I believe that idea has already been shot down. Why would IND give out money for an airline to fly routes that ar
39 Post contains images OttoPylit : Then I tell you what, I'll call my source(probably see him online tonight) and ask him to clarify exactly what it was or where it was from. He was to
40 717-200 : Good to see the 717's Biz Class seats are being converted from a velour cloth material to leather. Getting beltloaders in ATL for the 717's just might
41 L1329II : Whats wrong with walking? Was this a personal choice that your SM let you get away with or were you forced to do this? If this is a personal choice t
42 Post contains images Midway2AirTran : These are good customer value-adding initiatives taken by AirTran IMO as the most important thing for customers is a comfortable seat on a safe airlin
43 AirTran737 : Frontier.
44 Srbmod : It's called having a racist station manager at the time @ ATL, and supervisors who'd jump the gun. Any complaint towards any white ramper by a black
45 Post contains images FL1TPA : Hook... Line... SINKER! Thanks for the dissection Otto. Let me just remind you that YOU DON'T WORK HERE! You speak as if you're looking out our crew l
46 DeltaGator : Par for the course in ATL. Sorry you had to get caught up in that crap.
47 Post contains images OttoPylit : If you bothered to read my post, I said: This means that I was advised by station management to do so. The time limit between these things was so tig
48 USPIT10L : Wow, what a revelation! I just hope the northern FL stations aren't this bad! I know they don't work with beltloaders, I noticed that from going over
49 AirTran737 : Here's a wonderful idea, let's not argue semantics with Otto. It is a waste of time. By the way, Otto did you figure out if you're going on your non-r
50 Post contains images 727LOVER : Constant criticism on a profitable airline from an employee of a bankrupt one??? You're the desperate one, honey. You want something positive about A
51 DeltaGator : If a title such as crewmember vs. employee makes you feel better or worse about your job you've got bigger problems. I'm 3 steps away from the CEO of
52 Travatl : Now this, I totally agree with.... - Travis
53 AirTran737 : Don't let Otto make your mind up for you. When my station opened up we got all brand new equipment, and four years later it is still in great conditi
54 USPIT10L : Thanks. Now if FL would just start hiring again in PIT. Spent a lot of time in Concourse C each time I came to ATL. Liked it a lot, not as cramped or
55 FL1TPA : DeltaGator and Travatl: I was being sarcastic about the "crewmember" title thing. I would not mind being called an employee any more than a crewmember
56 Post contains images Steeler83 : That would be nice *inhales* ahhhhh open space, hey maybe Otto could use a little time there or he could try concourse B; I believe there's a massage
57 Post contains images DeltaGator : Only if they relocate your office to Mons Venus down on Dale Mabry Blvd.
58 Post contains images JetBlueAUS : Amen. Good rant! Way to let Otto have it, respectfully. Welcome to my RU list! Pretty sure, he was talking about Terminal C. (AirTran's terminal)
59 Post contains images FL1TPA : DeltaGator, I lived right there on Dale Mabry for 1 1/2 years! Just behind and to the north of 2001. Right off Columbus and Dale Mabry Hwy. Trust me,
60 Post contains images Steeler83 : Ah, I guess it's something that was not modified from its 1980-something footprints perhaps
61 DeltaGator : I had a bumper sticker in college that said "My girlfriend is dancer of the month at Mons Venus." My girlfriend at the time wasn't too amused when it
62 Post contains links AvConsultant : The proof has been recognized by a variety of travel publications and myself. I use to be a Platinum Medalion until DL forced us to fly AMR and UAL.
63 Gr8SlvrFlt : Ottopylit: Everyone on A.net must know how you feel about AirTran by now. You have jumped in on almost every FL thread for ages with the same tired ra
64 Srbmod : As someone who works for a coffee company in route sales, I know exactly what you're talking about. One little hole in a can of creamer, and the back
65 Travatl : The company insists it wasn't a cost factor, but rather the high number of complaints from flight attendants regarding broken mini-moos leaving a mess
66 Post contains images USPIT10L : Sounds extremely similar to my experience at DGS, just at a lower wage. Doesn't mean I might not try it, the station's much smaller than DL's was her
67 Post contains links PanAm_DC10 : They're also improving the fleet ORLANDO, Fla., April 27 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- AirTran Airways, a subsidiary of AirTran Holdings, Inc. (NYSE: AAI)
68 Boeingguy1 : Otto, please explain why you hate FL so much... and be a little more "explaining" than a ticking time bomb... I myself enjoy AirTran, even though I h
69 Post contains images OttoPylit : Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 48): Wow, what a revelation! I just hope the northern FL stations aren't this bad! I know they don't work with beltloaders, I
70 AirTran737 : Now you re getting personal against me. I was promoted because I cam to the company with two years of ramp experience, and I was the best person for
71 AvConsultant : Keep telling yourself that and it's easier to believe. Considering I travel +1 million miles a year since 1998, you employer and their competitor ema
72 OttoPylit : I don't know how you came to that conclusion. If you took it as getting personal, you are wrong. If I was getting personal, first of all, I wouldn't
73 AirTran737 : Alright, I'm calm now. I just wated you to understand that I earned my job, it wasn't handed to me.
74 Post contains images Steeler83 : Ummm... ok I was referring to the B concourse at PIT. Did you think that I was referring to ATL's concourse B? I don't fly much-only started flying s
75 Post contains images OttoPylit : I know a dog that flies 1 million miles a year, but that doesn't make him any more knowledgable of the aviation industry than you. Sorry, but the tru
76 Wjcandee : I have flown both products repeatedly on LGA-ATL and EWR-ATL (and on other segments as well, of course). If I'm on a DL MD80 (one of the most widely-
77 AvConsultant : Not since November of 2005. Anytime I travel to ATL, it's either AMR or FL. Ahh, there are 2 carriers with orders, but their delivery dates are pushe
78 Gr8SlvrFlt : Some more updates: renovation of Concourses C & D is underway and will continue into 2007. All new flooring, wall coverings, ceilings, gate podiums si
79 Steeler83 : At first, I thought that this was about PIT, but if it was, wouldn't it be all over the Post Gazette and Tribune Review websites??? And wouldn't that
80 Srbmod : Building another hangar @ ATL would be stupid. The former Delta TOC North hangar (The old Eastern hangar) is sitting there right next door to AirTran
81 Gr8SlvrFlt : I've heard the old NW (originally Southern) hangar is in very poor condition and would require some major environmental clean-up as well. AirTran trie
82 Post contains links Gr8SlvrFlt : The efforts are starting to pay off. The DOT report for March was just issued with AirTran climbing to near the top in most areas: Ontime: #2 Cancella
83 AirTran737 : Back in the Valujet days we were all set to lease that hangar, but then 592 went down, and we need to allocate funds in another direction (ie keeping
84 Post contains images Jetpixx : This is all true. I heard it from workers for FL who were interviewing for jetBlue as soon as they possibly could. That's a sad state of affairs. I'v
85 JBLUA320 : And what exactly would you be doing?
86 B757capt : "Travis were you referring to me with that one? If so, thank you. As far as Otto goes, on a competition level I think he's a douche bag." The last pa
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