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Jetblue To Add More Cities  
User currently offlineLowecur From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 585 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 11796 times:

Per the conference call: more cities to be added than 8-10 originally announced.

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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6788 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 11758 times:

Very interesting.. considering they were delaying some aircraft, I thought they would be slacking up.. but this is pretty cool..

I am, however, eagerly awaiting the Frontier new station list..

I would gander 3 guesses for any new stations, however..

Columbus (CMh)
Savannah (SAV)
St Louis (STL)



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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12150 posts, RR: 49
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 11735 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 1):
I would gander 3 guesses for any new stations, however..

Columbus (CMh)

Actually I can now see CMH happening, especially with the talk of Skybus starting up. (or at least talking about it) Though with PIT being so close I still could see B6 chosing another Ohio city, such as DAY or CVG.



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User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2500 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 11718 times:

I know they want to expand, but didn't they want to cut costs? Won't adding more stations increase the fixed costs? Connecting more existing stations might be a cheaper way to grow for now.

User currently offlineOMA2FAI2SAV From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 11679 times:

I was talking with some of the airline station managers here in SAV, and they all (UA, US, CO, and DL) agreed that B6 WILL be announceing SAV in the next couple of months. My question about SAV is....Where will they go? I mean, the gates are pretty well taken. 1, 3, and 5 are used almost on a non-stop basis by DL. 2 is used very frequently by CO. 4 is used 3 times a day by NW, maybe they could squeeze them in here. 6 is FL's gate. I would think that this could be used. FL only has 2x daily to ATL, but they are pretty close together. 7 is used by both US and AA. 8 is now used by UA, 9 by US, and 10 is unuseable right now due to the construction. I guess they could use 4 and 6. I would LOVE to see them in SAV though. I have been calling for this for a long long time.

User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12150 posts, RR: 49
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 11664 times:

Quoting Quickmover (Reply 3):
Connecting more existing stations might be a cheaper way to grow for now.

I could very well see this happening.



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User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5702 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 11590 times:

Quoting Lowecur (Thread starter):
Per the conference call: more cities to be added than 8-10 originally announced.

When will the cities be announced?

Alex



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User currently offlineAirwave From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 11499 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 1):
Very interesting.. considering they were delaying some aircraft, I thought they would be slacking up..

I'm surprised, too; I thought for sure that B6 would tighten the purse strings, not loosen them--especially in light of their poor stock performance and Moody's rating.

Quoting Quickmover (Reply 3):
I know they want to expand, but didn't they want to cut costs? Won't adding more stations increase the fixed costs?

Yes, but fixed costs are usually easier to take into consideration than the more variable costs like fuel, &c. Not only that, but I do believe that you can then depreciate these fixed assets, which in the far term will help the balance sheet. (Better to start depreciating now when everything (financially) stinks, so things are that much rosier down the line? Even *I'm* not sure of that sort of logic.) The other side is perhaps they think that these are stations that would, in the near term, bring in a decent amount of income for the airline, boosting cash reserves and whatnot.

Quoting Quickmover (Reply 3):
Connecting more existing stations might be a cheaper way to grow for now.

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On a related note, does B6 buy back its own stock on a regular basis and if so, are they actively doing that now? Thanks.

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User currently offlineCsavel From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1375 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 11361 times:

Probably silly question that is very flameworthy, but here goes.

Would it make sense to add smaller Western cities that will be flown from their West Coast foci and NOT JFK???

i.e.
Long Beach/Oakland - Boise
Long Beach/Oakland - Spokane
Long Beach/Oakland - Eagle County
Long Beach/Oakland - Austin (OK that one's an exception)
Long Beach/Oakland - San Antonio

could build more brand recognition and loyalty which could translate into perhaps better revenue on the killer transcons, perhaps not devote too much attentio on one superhub? (bad weather in JFK, local econ. downturn, and you hvae other hubs to pick up slack)

I assume this has to do with the rate of entry to the E190s which would be the most likely fowl and the space issues at Long Beach as to why it is a negative.

Comments?? Brickbats??



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User currently offlineLGAtoIND From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 490 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 11268 times:

How about the Midwest? Its hard to think that JetBlue can ignore the middle of the country much longer. My guesses for Midwest stations would be: IND, MSP, STL, DTW, ORD.

User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26136 posts, RR: 50
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 11220 times:

Quoting Csavel (Reply 8):
I assume this has to do with the rate of entry to the E190s which would be the most likely fowl and the space issues at Long Beach as to why it is a negative.

I can near guarantee you the E190 will appear out West, sooner than some believe, as far as LGB it would be somewhat silly to use them on a large scale at.
Jetblue has only a finite number of slots at the airport and using the A320 maximises the potential for those slots.



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User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4615 posts, RR: 23
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10979 times:

TOL's SCASD application is targetted at JetBlue. They are requesting $400,000 to go with an additional $595,000 of local funds to help offset any start up and advertising costs. Their application also went in and broke down the majority of the income and expense dollars.

I would also expect TOL to offer to handle all under wing activities with their new service they are putting together.


User currently offlineATLAaron From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1028 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10939 times:

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 2):
Actually I can now see CMH happening, especially with the talk of Skybus starting up. (or at least talking about it) Though with PIT being so close I still could see B6 chosing another Ohio city, such as DAY or CVG.

Both DAY and CVG are right next to CMH, and of the three CMH would certainly be the most favorable as the area has the highest growth. None of them are close enough to PIT to pose a problem.


User currently offlineHiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2177 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10930 times:

"JetBlue said it plans to defer orders for 12 planes, which were previously scheduled for delivery from 2007 through 2012, and sell two to five Airbus A320 jets."

This makes the adding of 10+ cities on the conf call slightly suspect....unless they are going to pull down service at existing that are not doing as well as predicted.


User currently offlineAntoniemey From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1607 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10872 times:

Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 13):
This makes the adding of 10+ cities on the conf call slightly suspect....unless they are going to pull down service at existing that are not doing as well as predicted.

E190s?

they could be planning to open some smaller routes with those aircraft.;



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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10872 times:

Quoting LGAtoIND (Reply 9):
My guesses for Midwest stations would be: IND, MSP, STL, DTW, ORD.

ORD will not be happening for a while, as there is little available gate space.



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User currently offlineATLAaron From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1028 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10861 times:

The call said they would be focusing on short haul. Perhaps we will see a FlyI approach and some of the west coast cities that are not doing so hot drop off the route map. Thoughts?

User currently offlineLowecur From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 585 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 10774 times:

Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 13):
This makes the adding of 10+ cities on the conf call slightly suspect....unless they are going to pull down service at existing that are not doing as well as predicted.

The conference call was very specific about pulling down not only transcon traffic, but Florida traffic. LGA/JFK Florida will be pulled down 15% this summer, along with 25% BOS to Florida, and transcons 10%. Add'l transcon pulldown in a greater percentage will occur this fall. Newark is not in the cards for expansion, and may see some pullback also. Neeleman is not happy with delays there or LGA.

My guess is you may see 5 or 6 new cities added this year in addition to the previous announcement of 10. My guess is the East, Midwest, and West will each get a few more cities. Lots more dot connecting also ie: Upstate to BOS, Florida, IAD, and maybe LAS, in addition to doing the same out West.

[Edited 2006-04-25 23:08:28]

User currently offlineInTheSky74 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 10494 times:

You won't see any expansion in LGB - since there are no more "slots" to expand there. Maybe there will be expansion in BUR....

The other possibility is OAK, but I think they need more gates there first.

I suspect you will see some growth in JFK, BOS, IAD and possibly even FLL (or MIA) if they ever announce it.

Rob


User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6194 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 10444 times:

IntheSky74: Your right about LGB. Oakland on the other hand will have a few gates pretty soon once WN opens the new concourse I would think. How close is that to being complete? Then maybe 2 more gates at Oakland.

ASLAX



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User currently offlineDolphinflyer From United States of America, joined May 2005, 204 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 10391 times:

Quoting InTheSky74 (Reply 18):
You won't see any expansion in LGB - since there are no more "slots" to expand there. Maybe there will be expansion in BUR....

This begs the question: given the slot constraints at LGB, insufficient facilities for expansion at BUR and lackluster performance/growth at ONT, will B6 eventually (perhaps sooner than later) take the plunge and start LAX service? Furthermore, such a move could be a good proactive competitive action towards Virgin America. Thoughts/Comments?


User currently offlineCVG72 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 167 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 9629 times:

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 2):
I still could see B6 chosing another Ohio city, such as DAY or CVG.

God I hope so. I think we can all forsee the tragic death of DL, and with little other options other than US, AA and UA, all flying to larger hubs, It would be good to get some more choice. If DL does go completely belly up, I think B6 could make CVG huge.

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User currently offlineN723GW From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 9590 times:

Man, GRR would be nice, especially a west coast and east coast route, it would knock NW off their feet and give them a good head start in Michigan, as well as the midwest


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User currently offlineNASBWI From Bahamas, joined Feb 2005, 1320 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 9492 times:

Quoting ATLAaron (Reply 16):
Perhaps we will see a FlyI approach and some of the west coast cities that are not doing so hot drop off the route map. Thoughts?

Thing is, even with DH, the problem wasn't with load factors to the west coast destinations, so in that respect the west coast trips were very "hot". Loads were great, and they're great with B6 (at least, most of the west coast flights I've worked were pretty full). The problem is productivity. An airplane flying a roundtrip to the west coast is bringing in 312 seats of revenue over the span of...hmm 11-13 hours of work. On a shorter sector, you can get a LOT more revenue in as many hours. This is why DH pulled out of the west coast (in addition to the fact that they just couldnt afford to keep them running).

[Edited 2006-04-26 02:24:11]


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User currently offlineWMUPilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1473 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 9472 times:

In a recent session with David and Dave they have stated that any new expansion will be with in 2 hours of JFK. So draw a like from about Wisconsin down to the Gulf of Mexico and every city east of that is on the radar. I've heard some rumblings about IND in the recent months. However the new destinations will be started with the Embraer 190s.

As for expansion out West, there is little to no plans to expand out of any west coast city beyond where we stand now. It has been stated that we are a New York based airline and the vast majority of our flying will now be mainly done on the east coast. There has been some talk of baseing a couple of 190s out of LGB but that would take some extra slots and we haven't finished solving all of the 190s little quirks.



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25 Liedetectors : Wouldnt it make sense for them to take the old independence air gate?
26 Post contains images Steeler83 : I think that WN and B6 would benefit greatly from a DL pulldown in CVG. I wonder if US would benefit from this as well. I am sure they would. They co
27 Garri767 : AMA *runs from all the critics that ruin and crush my hopes* lol im actually confident OKC has a shot. but my wildest dream is AMA (isnt gonna happen)
28 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : LAX Terminal 5? I have a hard time imagining a big presence on the West Coast for B6, but after looking at flights to Vegas and SFO this summer/fall,
29 Cubsrule : If the city wanted, they could make T-5 work. There would be a couple of hours in the early afternoon when B6 would probably have to schedule careful
30 Lowecur : You could be right. Neeleman talked extensively about the 7 new gates at JFK coming on line in June. He also said they had use of 4 other gates at an
31 WorldTraveler : DL's CVG footprint is still very intact. They pulled down connecting capacity. Most top cities are still served by mainline jets. There is still very
32 Luv2fly : Being formely from MI myself I would love to see B6 in any MI city. Though from the lack of interest from the GRR airport I would expect to see B6 in
33 JetBlueguy2006 : I could definatly (and hopefully see) DTW especially because FlyI pulled out probably left gate space. JetBlueguy2006
34 ERJ170 : I would think that if B6 even attempted to try DTW or MSP.. there would be some red tail hawks all over them.. not that they shouldn't try.. but I th
35 Jamake1 : BTV-BOS would be my guess...
36 MrSTL : I do not see JFK ever being a big *domestic* connector airport for any area except the upper eastern corridor. I cannot see how adding additional cit
37 ERJ170 : JFK would only be a good connector for NORTHeastern US. otherwise.. it gets kinda odd to travel up north to get back south.. or even southeast.. not t
38 Luv2fly : WRONG is so many ways.
39 Indy : I doubt IND will come anytime soon. Too much competition right now in the market. Not that there is an excess of seats here. Its that there are option
40 InTheSky74 : I doubt you'd see JetBlue flying into LAX in my opinion. I think they will stick to the outer cities.... Maybe you won't see much growth in the west r
41 Post contains images Steeler83 : Crap! I meant a DL belly-up, not a pulldown of one hub. Shoot
42 ERJ170 : I would tend to agree. Indy is kinda overserved and served from everywhere.. perhaps if NorfWhess was to pull out some.. but right now, IND has more
43 CRGsFuture : Here's one I know from a good source, ISP. B6 has taken a heavy interest in ISP and is really looking at two gates on the expansion at the terminal. I
44 Post contains images JetBlueAtJFK : Maybe they can do BNA, CRW, SAV, BHM, and CAK. These are all random guesses for the 190 to head to. BNA seems good though, not too much comperition fo
45 KcrwFlyer : Could B6 compete with US and I think DL to NYC from SAV? And I'm glad someone sees CRW has a gaping hole in service in the market. My most recent num
46 WMUPilot : I would be extremely surprised if we added ISP to the network. That would be in direct competition with WN and would pull customers away from JFK. IM
47 Post contains links and images Flynavy : If they can pull off Richmond, VA, they sure as hell can pull off Norfolk and/or Newport News. My money's on one of those two. And, gate space isn't a
48 Midwest717 : RFD anyone? I would love to see them at RFD. Plenty of space. No delays. Free parking, only an hour and half from Chicago and Madison. A viable Chicag
49 Gift4tbone : Yes, Skyteam, NW, CO, DL, Korean, i believe Alitalia is in there too, not quite sure on all the members of skyteam. If DL goes under (hope it doesn't
50 Hannigan : God please SAV!!!!!!!!!!!! I've been crying for this for 2 years now!! Now that Independence went belly up and I actually work for JetBlue now I could
51 Post contains images KcrwFlyer : You sound like I used to Considering we were on that original list of cities, we've been crying since B6 was formed.
52 Post contains images Antoniemey : "Amarillo by mornin', up from San Antone..." Sorry, couldn't resist. And now that Indy is gone, there's actually gate space available near the counte
53 Post contains images ATLAaron : There is a pretty loyal DL following in SAV, there was another post just talking about how they always fill their 757's from there. Georgia is pretty
54 WorldTraveler : I know it really FROSTS some of you but DL is not going anywhere but up. And all of the top markets from CVG are still served by AT LEAST one mainlin
55 Indy : Depends on how you define capacity. A ratio of passengers served to market size we are serving about 4.5 passengers per person in the market. Compare
56 Cadet57 : BDL BDL BDL BDL They got space from DH and plenty of pax for routes like BDL-MCO, BDL-LAS and others, plus it gives DL some competition. Granted I lov
57 MFEFlyer : I wouldn't mind seeing B6 at MFE! (but will never happen either)
58 Cubsrule : AA has 3 S80s BNA-LGA. Along with 5 daily CO ERJs and the nominal OH service (which is geared toward international connections at JFK), that's actual
59 Post contains images Kaputt : Filler...
60 Steeler83 : After what DL is trying to do regarding its pax satisfaction by really making over their ATL terminal(s), making them roomier, brighter, and more ped
61 Post contains images OMA2FAI2SAV : AirTran has taken over the old DH gate. They moved from 8 to 6. UA moved from 10 to 8, as 10 is unuseable due to the construction going on in SAV. Ye
62 FLY2LIM : I just had a thought (I know, stop the presses, LOL). No one is discussing SAN. Is this not a good place for them to fly to/from OAK/LGB or even non
63 FA4B6 : JetBlue has two daily (soon to be three) SAN-JFK non stops and one daily SAN-IAD.
64 FLY2LIM : Sorry about that, I just didn't know that and didn't bother researching. I just found it interesting that no one included SAN in the discussion about
65 Luv2fly : No I would hate to see any person lose there job because an airline went under and or out of business. What "frosts" me is your lack of accurate info
66 AkjetBlue : rumor has it the next city is another city out west. [edit: spelling is not for me][Edited 2006-04-27 01:00:14]
67 Post contains images JetBlueAtJFK : But they said in many releases that they will keep it in the east and they are pulling down some west coast flights and putting them on the east. I t
68 OMA2FAI2SAV : Airport officials here in SAV have said B6 will announce soon and will start off with 2 cities. My guess is JFK and BOS. We will see. I for one hope
69 Wmupilot : Time and time again we've heard only east coast expansion. So a west coast city will blow my mind away. But that being said, David has a knack of doi
70 JetBluefan1 : Exactly. I'm guessing the next city is RNO, followed by SAV and DAB. JetBluefan1
71 Hannigan : Don't tease me dude...
72 InTheSky74 : They definitely will keep the flying on the east coast.... They are "getting back to their routes" and doing short-haul flying on the east coast for t
73 Post contains links ERJ170 : Looks like RDU and B6 are already looking at potential new destiantions.. Triangle Business Journal Raleigh-Durham International Airport Director John
74 Post contains images MiCorazonAzul : that would be AWESOME....that's my home away from home right there..... Never say never.....
75 MAH4546 : Nothing more than generic article. Might as well say "Charlotte" or "Pittsburgh" instead of Raleigh. I wouldn't be shocked to see them launch flights
76 ERJ170 : They would do better going to JAX vs Ft Myers since there are more travelers to JAX than RSW. And even more pax to BUF than JAX.. and even more pax t
77 OMA2FAI2SAV : All teasing aside, everthing here in SAV is looking towards B6. The old DH ticket counter has seen some work lately. They have put new wallpaper up (
78 ScottB : I suppose anything is possible, but jetBlue's management has said that they need to work on increasing yields. Given that ISP-Florida yields are alre
79 Lowecur : Connecting traffic is very profitable on routes where n/s service is not available. I don't think Jetblue plans to go overboard, since the 190 will a
80 ScottB : But that's only true if you're unable to fill your planes with sufficiently high-yielding non-stop traffic. It doesn't make sense to sell a single ro
81 Lowecur : True. So would you suggest the legacys abandon their hub/spoke model? How about WN? I'm sure even WN runs connecting traffic percentages into the tee
82 ScottB : I would suggest that they perhaps somewhat reduce their reliance on the hub-and-spoke model in favor of more rationalized point-to-point pricing. Com
83 Lowecur : I see that WN connects about 21% of their pax. If Jetblue is at 6%, then I believe all Neeleman was saying is they need to maximize the efficiency of
84 MAH4546 : Not nessecarily. RSW is much more of a leisure market, and if they were to start RDU-RSW, they would stimulate demand much more so than they would fo
85 ScottB : Ugh. The planes are already full; with 85% load factors, you're not going to be able to squeeze many more bodies on the planes, given that you'll alw
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