Luv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12150 posts, RR: 47
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 11927 times:
Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 1): I would gander 3 guesses for any new stations, however..
Actually I can now see CMH happening, especially with the talk of Skybus starting up. (or at least talking about it) Though with PIT being so close I still could see B6 chosing another Ohio city, such as DAY or CVG.
OMA2FAI2SAV From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 11871 times:
I was talking with some of the airline station managers here in SAV, and they all (UA, US, CO, and DL) agreed that B6 WILL be announceing SAV in the next couple of months. My question about SAV is....Where will they go? I mean, the gates are pretty well taken. 1, 3, and 5 are used almost on a non-stop basis by DL. 2 is used very frequently by CO. 4 is used 3 times a day by NW, maybe they could squeeze them in here. 6 is FL's gate. I would think that this could be used. FL only has 2x daily to ATL, but they are pretty close together. 7 is used by both US and AA. 8 is now used by UA, 9 by US, and 10 is unuseable right now due to the construction. I guess they could use 4 and 6. I would LOVE to see them in SAV though. I have been calling for this for a long long time.
Airwave From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 11691 times:
Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 1): Very interesting.. considering they were delaying some aircraft, I thought they would be slacking up..
I'm surprised, too; I thought for sure that B6 would tighten the purse strings, not loosen them--especially in light of their poor stock performance and Moody's rating.
Quoting Quickmover (Reply 3): I know they want to expand, but didn't they want to cut costs? Won't adding more stations increase the fixed costs?
Yes, but fixed costs are usually easier to take into consideration than the more variable costs like fuel, &c. Not only that, but I do believe that you can then depreciate these fixed assets, which in the far term will help the balance sheet. (Better to start depreciating now when everything (financially) stinks, so things are that much rosier down the line? Even *I'm* not sure of that sort of logic.) The other side is perhaps they think that these are stations that would, in the near term, bring in a decent amount of income for the airline, boosting cash reserves and whatnot.
Quoting Quickmover (Reply 3): Connecting more existing stations might be a cheaper way to grow for now.
On a related note, does B6 buy back its own stock on a regular basis and if so, are they actively doing that now? Thanks.
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Csavel From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1384 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 11553 times:
Probably silly question that is very flameworthy, but here goes.
Would it make sense to add smaller Western cities that will be flown from their West Coast foci and NOT JFK???
Long Beach/Oakland - Boise
Long Beach/Oakland - Spokane
Long Beach/Oakland - Eagle County
Long Beach/Oakland - Austin (OK that one's an exception)
Long Beach/Oakland - San Antonio
could build more brand recognition and loyalty which could translate into perhaps better revenue on the killer transcons, perhaps not devote too much attentio on one superhub? (bad weather in JFK, local econ. downturn, and you hvae other hubs to pick up slack)
I assume this has to do with the rate of entry to the E190s which would be the most likely fowl and the space issues at Long Beach as to why it is a negative.
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Laxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26531 posts, RR: 50
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 11412 times:
Quoting Csavel (Reply 8): I assume this has to do with the rate of entry to the E190s which would be the most likely fowl and the space issues at Long Beach as to why it is a negative.
I can near guarantee you the E190 will appear out West, sooner than some believe, as far as LGB it would be somewhat silly to use them on a large scale at.
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Ouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4640 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 11171 times:
TOL's SCASD application is targetted at JetBlue. They are requesting $400,000 to go with an additional $595,000 of local funds to help offset any start up and advertising costs. Their application also went in and broke down the majority of the income and expense dollars.
I would also expect TOL to offer to handle all under wing activities with their new service they are putting together.
ATLAaron From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1029 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 11131 times:
Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 2): Actually I can now see CMH happening, especially with the talk of Skybus starting up. (or at least talking about it) Though with PIT being so close I still could see B6 chosing another Ohio city, such as DAY or CVG.
Both DAY and CVG are right next to CMH, and of the three CMH would certainly be the most favorable as the area has the highest growth. None of them are close enough to PIT to pose a problem.
Lowecur From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 585 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 10966 times:
Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 13): This makes the adding of 10+ cities on the conf call slightly suspect....unless they are going to pull down service at existing that are not doing as well as predicted.
The conference call was very specific about pulling down not only transcon traffic, but Florida traffic. LGA/JFK Florida will be pulled down 15% this summer, along with 25% BOS to Florida, and transcons 10%. Add'l transcon pulldown in a greater percentage will occur this fall. Newark is not in the cards for expansion, and may see some pullback also. Neeleman is not happy with delays there or LGA.
My guess is you may see 5 or 6 new cities added this year in addition to the previous announcement of 10. My guess is the East, Midwest, and West will each get a few more cities. Lots more dot connecting also ie: Upstate to BOS, Florida, IAD, and maybe LAS, in addition to doing the same out West.
AS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6242 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 10636 times:
IntheSky74: Your right about LGB. Oakland on the other hand will have a few gates pretty soon once WN opens the new concourse I would think. How close is that to being complete? Then maybe 2 more gates at Oakland.
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Dolphinflyer From United States of America, joined May 2005, 205 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 10583 times:
Quoting InTheSky74 (Reply 18): You won't see any expansion in LGB - since there are no more "slots" to expand there. Maybe there will be expansion in BUR....
This begs the question: given the slot constraints at LGB, insufficient facilities for expansion at BUR and lackluster performance/growth at ONT, will B6 eventually (perhaps sooner than later) take the plunge and start LAX service? Furthermore, such a move could be a good proactive competitive action towards Virgin America. Thoughts/Comments?
CVG72 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 167 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 9821 times:
Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 2): I still could see B6 chosing another Ohio city, such as DAY or CVG.
God I hope so. I think we can all forsee the tragic death of DL, and with little other options other than US, AA and UA, all flying to larger hubs, It would be good to get some more choice. If DL does go completely belly up, I think B6 could make CVG huge.
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NASBWI From Bahamas, joined Feb 2005, 1326 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 9684 times:
Quoting ATLAaron (Reply 16): Perhaps we will see a FlyI approach and some of the west coast cities that are not doing so hot drop off the route map. Thoughts?
Thing is, even with DH, the problem wasn't with load factors to the west coast destinations, so in that respect the west coast trips were very "hot". Loads were great, and they're great with B6 (at least, most of the west coast flights I've worked were pretty full). The problem is productivity. An airplane flying a roundtrip to the west coast is bringing in 312 seats of revenue over the span of...hmm 11-13 hours of work. On a shorter sector, you can get a LOT more revenue in as many hours. This is why DH pulled out of the west coast (in addition to the fact that they just couldnt afford to keep them running).
WMUPilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1473 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 9664 times:
In a recent session with David and Dave they have stated that any new expansion will be with in 2 hours of JFK. So draw a like from about Wisconsin down to the Gulf of Mexico and every city east of that is on the radar. I've heard some rumblings about IND in the recent months. However the new destinations will be started with the Embraer 190s.
As for expansion out West, there is little to no plans to expand out of any west coast city beyond where we stand now. It has been stated that we are a New York based airline and the vast majority of our flying will now be mainly done on the east coast. There has been some talk of baseing a couple of 190s out of LGB but that would take some extra slots and we haven't finished solving all of the 190s little quirks.
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: Wouldnt it make sense for them to take the old independence air gate?
: I think that WN and B6 would benefit greatly from a DL pulldown in CVG. I wonder if US would benefit from this as well. I am sure they would. They co
: AMA *runs from all the critics that ruin and crush my hopes* lol im actually confident OKC has a shot. but my wildest dream is AMA (isnt gonna happen)
: LAX Terminal 5? I have a hard time imagining a big presence on the West Coast for B6, but after looking at flights to Vegas and SFO this summer/fall,
: If the city wanted, they could make T-5 work. There would be a couple of hours in the early afternoon when B6 would probably have to schedule careful
: You could be right. Neeleman talked extensively about the 7 new gates at JFK coming on line in June. He also said they had use of 4 other gates at an
: DL's CVG footprint is still very intact. They pulled down connecting capacity. Most top cities are still served by mainline jets. There is still very
: Being formely from MI myself I would love to see B6 in any MI city. Though from the lack of interest from the GRR airport I would expect to see B6 in
: I could definatly (and hopefully see) DTW especially because FlyI pulled out probably left gate space. JetBlueguy2006
: I would think that if B6 even attempted to try DTW or MSP.. there would be some red tail hawks all over them.. not that they shouldn't try.. but I th